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Comparing strengths of Joomla, Django and other open source communities with Plone

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    The World Outside Plone The World Outside Plone Presentation Transcript

    • The world outside Plone Mikko Ohtamaa Plone Conference 2010
    • Agenda • Joomla! • Django • Lessons to learn
    • Unfortunately • No world • No Drupal • No Wordpress • No $harepoint
    • Joomla! The most popular CMS in the world
    • CMS is a thing allowing you to edit your website using your web browser
    • • Open source • Forked from Mambo (commercial) 2005 • Open Source Matters Inc. • Runs on Linux+Apache+MySQL+PHP
    • Features • Admin interface • Article content • User manager type • Two-state • WYSIWYG workflow editor • Menu editor • Through-the- • Plug-in manager web template and CSS editor
    • No-features • No folders • No permissions • No sharing, roles • No “you-name-it”
    • Demo http://ploneconf2010.cloudaccess.net/ administrator
    • Core developers Hosting Component providers Integrators Site users
    • “They could not stand Joomla”
    • [20:25:50] x: moo: we moved from Plone to Joomla. 3 years on Plone with no hacks. [20:26:04] x: Problem with plone is no forums with email support
    • Django The web framework for perfectionists with deadlines
    • Write web applications Pythonic way You don’t need to know SQL
    • Python development is fun
    • Python Django development development is fun is fun
    • Python Django Plone development development development is fun is fun is not fun
    • Features • Object-relation • Forms mapper (Python objects in SQL • Admin interface database) (automatic) • Template • User manager engine • Applications • URL mapper (extensions)
    • No-features • No default templates (excl. admin) • No viewlets • No traversing (folders), no hierarchy • No registration
    • Demo
    • Clear path to become a developer Text Text Text Text
    • High quality reference manual
    • “Plone for web sites, Django for web apps” -Jazkarta
    • CMS on Django • Lighting Fast CMS by Kai Diefenbach • Django CMS by Divio • Various others, especially in-house CMS solutions
    • Issues • Heterogenous applications • Subclassing / variations • Extending admin interface • Integration story (buildout is coming with Django packages?)
    • Lessons leart
    • Django developers 2010 Plone developers 2004 http://www.flickr.com/photos/dunk/498668317 - person in the picture is not related and the picture is only for descriptive purpose
    • Django developers 2016 Plone developers 2010 http://www.flickr.com/photos/postbear/3681945685 - person in the picture is not related and the picture is only for descriptive purpose
    • Plone developers 2015 http://www.flickr.com/photos/limonada/14705232 - person in the picture is not related and the picture is only for descriptive purpose
    • Zope tools are not fun
    • Reference manuals rock if someone in Plone community dares to say me “Check it from the source code”...
    • Reference manuals rock if someone in Plone community dares to say me “Check it from the source code”... ... I teach the person some Finnish
    • Revenue > support > quality Components rules
    • See you on the other side • http://linkedin.com/in/ohtis • http://twitter.com/moo9000 http://www.flickr.com/photos/flydime/4671890983
    • Plone needs menu manager