The World Outside Plone

The world outside Plone Mikko Ohtamaa Plone Conference 2010

Agenda • Joomla! • Django • Lessons to learn

Unfortunately • No world • No Drupal • No Wordpress • No $harepoint

Joomla! The most popular CMS in the world

CMS is a thing allowing you to edit your website using your web browser

• Open source • Forked from Mambo (commercial) 2005 • Open Source Matters Inc. • Runs on Linux+Apache+MySQL+PHP

Features • Admin interface • Article content • User manager type • Two-state • WYSIWYG workﬂow editor • Menu editor • Through-the- • Plug-in manager web template and CSS editor

No-features • No folders • No permissions • No sharing, roles • No “you-name-it”

Demo http://ploneconf2010.cloudaccess.net/ administrator

Core developers Hosting Component providers Integrators Site users

“They could not stand Joomla”

[20:25:50] x: moo: we moved from Plone to Joomla. 3 years on Plone with no hacks. [20:26:04] x: Problem with plone is no forums with email support

Django The web framework for perfectionists with deadlines

Write web applications Pythonic way You don’t need to know SQL

Python development is fun

Python Django development development is fun is fun

Python Django Plone development development development is fun is fun is not fun

Features • Object-relation • Forms mapper (Python objects in SQL • Admin interface database) (automatic) • Template • User manager engine • Applications • URL mapper (extensions)

No-features • No default templates (excl. admin) • No viewlets • No traversing (folders), no hierarchy • No registration

Clear path to become a developer Text Text Text Text

High quality reference manual

“Plone for web sites, Django for web apps” -Jazkarta

CMS on Django • Lighting Fast CMS by Kai Diefenbach • Django CMS by Divio • Various others, especially in-house CMS solutions

Issues • Heterogenous applications • Subclassing / variations • Extending admin interface • Integration story (buildout is coming with Django packages?)

Lessons leart

Django developers 2010 Plone developers 2004 http://www.ﬂickr.com/photos/dunk/498668317 - person in the picture is not related and the picture is only for descriptive purpose

Django developers 2016 Plone developers 2010 http://www.ﬂickr.com/photos/postbear/3681945685 - person in the picture is not related and the picture is only for descriptive purpose

Plone developers 2015 http://www.ﬂickr.com/photos/limonada/14705232 - person in the picture is not related and the picture is only for descriptive purpose

Zope tools are not fun

Reference manuals rock if someone in Plone community dares to say me “Check it from the source code”...

Reference manuals rock if someone in Plone community dares to say me “Check it from the source code”... ... I teach the person some Finnish

Revenue > support > quality Components rules

See you on the other side • http://linkedin.com/in/ohtis • http://twitter.com/moo9000 http://www.ﬂickr.com/photos/ﬂydime/4671890983

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The World Outside Plone

by Mikko Ohtamaa on Oct 28, 2010

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