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Der Untergang
                 Icon: Defeat
               Richard McKenzie



10 May 2012       © University of Reading 2006   www.reading.ac.uk
Der Untergang
•   2004
•   Made in St Petersburg, (Leningrad), Russia
•   Set in last few weeks of war
•   Director
    – Oliver Hirschbiegel
    – Born 1957
• Bunker set created in studio to give film claustrophobic feel
• Based on 2 books
    – Der Untergang: Hitler und das Ende des Dritten Reiches Joachim
      C Fest (2002)
    – Bis zur letzten Stunde: Hitlers Sekretdrin erzählt ihr Leben Traudl
      Junge mit Melissa Müller(2003)


                                                                        2
Der Untergang
• Traditional Elements
   –   Filmography of amnesia
   –   Clean Wehrmacht
   –   Nazis “Other”
   –   German victimhood
   –   Enemy demonised
• Novel Elements
   – Hitler and Goebbels shown as fascinating characters




                                                           3
Reviews
• „Grand historical narrative of violence and self
  destruction“ Karin Bauer (3, Bauer, 2011) (Bauer, Karin, (2011)Introduction,
   In:Seminar: A Journal of Germanic Studies Volume 47, Number 1, February pp 1-9)




• „Hitler für die Kinder von CNN, Big Brother und
  Political Correctness.“ Georg Seeβlen Filmportal.de
   (http://www.filmportal.de/df/c4/Artikel,,,,,,,,EED2B3634BF7DB6AE03053D50B377EB2,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,.html
   accessed 22/3/11)




                                                                                                                     4
Authenticity
• 20th April medal
  parade on 56th
  birthday
• 22nd April outburst at
  officers
• Murder of Goebbels
  children
• 30th April Hitler’s
  suicide



                           5
Amnesia
• Traudl
   – Observer and not involved
   – Hitler’s personal secretary
• Dr Schenk
   – Humanitarian working for
     survival
   – KZ Doctor at Dachau
• Himmler
   – Trying to resist Hitler by
     negotiating with West
   – Head of SS




                                   6
Who were the Nazi’s ?
• “Other” Hitler,
  Himmler
• Capable of
  murdering own
  children
• Fanatical
• Not like us



                        7
German Victimhood
• Traudl
• Women
• Children
• Berlin
• Families
• Ordinary Germans
• “clean” Wehrmacht


                      8
The Enemy
• Russians to be
  feared by women
• Uncontrolled and
  drunken




                     9
Hitler and Goebbels
• Attractive
• Terrifying
• Human
• Capable of being
  loved




                      10
Conclusion
•   “By […] playing on the viewer's sympathy for the young and
    innocent, and failing to deal honestly with the broadly supported
    national program which brought about this traumatic Untergang, […]
    Hirschbiegel [has] delivered a riveting portrait of Hitler, but a
    sanitized history of Nazi Germany.” Steve Hochstadt (243, Hochstadt, 2005)
    Hochstadt, Steve, (2005) (Film Review In: German Studies Review, Vol. 28, No. 1 (Feb.,), pp. 241-243)



•   „Der Faschismus hat keinen Untergang, der Faschismus ist
    Untergang.“Georg Seeβlen
    (http://www.filmportal.de/df/c4/Artikel,,,,,,,,EED2B3634BF7DB6AE03053D50B377EB2,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,.html accessed 22/3/11)




                                                                                                            11
Course Conclusion
• Denazification in West
   –   Germany occupied
   –   Nuremburg Trials
   –   Collective Guilt
   –   Fragenbogen – Persilschein
   –   Many Nazis retain their roles in judiciary and government
   –   Heimatvertriebene
   –   Growing recognition of Holocaust from 1960’s on




                                                                   12
Course Conclusion
• Anti Fascism in East
   –   Germany liberated
   –   Removal of National Socialist judges and teachers
   –   Socialists not responsible for war
   –   Capitalism = Imperialism = Fascism
   –   W Germany = Fascism
   –   Hierarchy of victimhood
   –   Little recognition of Holocaust




                                                           13
Course Conclusion
• Part of ongoing public Vergangenheitsbewältigung
• Films contradict national discourses about war
• Films have laid down a number of fundamental national myths
   –   German suffering
   –   Lost paradise in the East
   –   Nazi’s different from us
   –   War = loss and catastrophe
   –   Allies little involved in defeat of Germans
• Films support national amnesias
   –   Confused discourse about Holocaust
   –   “Clean” Wehrmacht
   –   Strong resistance movement
   –   War a male experience




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Downfall

  • 1. Der Untergang Icon: Defeat Richard McKenzie 10 May 2012 © University of Reading 2006 www.reading.ac.uk
  • 2. Der Untergang • 2004 • Made in St Petersburg, (Leningrad), Russia • Set in last few weeks of war • Director – Oliver Hirschbiegel – Born 1957 • Bunker set created in studio to give film claustrophobic feel • Based on 2 books – Der Untergang: Hitler und das Ende des Dritten Reiches Joachim C Fest (2002) – Bis zur letzten Stunde: Hitlers Sekretdrin erzählt ihr Leben Traudl Junge mit Melissa Müller(2003) 2
  • 3. Der Untergang • Traditional Elements – Filmography of amnesia – Clean Wehrmacht – Nazis “Other” – German victimhood – Enemy demonised • Novel Elements – Hitler and Goebbels shown as fascinating characters 3
  • 4. Reviews • „Grand historical narrative of violence and self destruction“ Karin Bauer (3, Bauer, 2011) (Bauer, Karin, (2011)Introduction, In:Seminar: A Journal of Germanic Studies Volume 47, Number 1, February pp 1-9) • „Hitler für die Kinder von CNN, Big Brother und Political Correctness.“ Georg Seeβlen Filmportal.de (http://www.filmportal.de/df/c4/Artikel,,,,,,,,EED2B3634BF7DB6AE03053D50B377EB2,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,.html accessed 22/3/11) 4
  • 5. Authenticity • 20th April medal parade on 56th birthday • 22nd April outburst at officers • Murder of Goebbels children • 30th April Hitler’s suicide 5
  • 6. Amnesia • Traudl – Observer and not involved – Hitler’s personal secretary • Dr Schenk – Humanitarian working for survival – KZ Doctor at Dachau • Himmler – Trying to resist Hitler by negotiating with West – Head of SS 6
  • 7. Who were the Nazi’s ? • “Other” Hitler, Himmler • Capable of murdering own children • Fanatical • Not like us 7
  • 8. German Victimhood • Traudl • Women • Children • Berlin • Families • Ordinary Germans • “clean” Wehrmacht 8
  • 9. The Enemy • Russians to be feared by women • Uncontrolled and drunken 9
  • 10. Hitler and Goebbels • Attractive • Terrifying • Human • Capable of being loved 10
  • 11. Conclusion • “By […] playing on the viewer's sympathy for the young and innocent, and failing to deal honestly with the broadly supported national program which brought about this traumatic Untergang, […] Hirschbiegel [has] delivered a riveting portrait of Hitler, but a sanitized history of Nazi Germany.” Steve Hochstadt (243, Hochstadt, 2005) Hochstadt, Steve, (2005) (Film Review In: German Studies Review, Vol. 28, No. 1 (Feb.,), pp. 241-243) • „Der Faschismus hat keinen Untergang, der Faschismus ist Untergang.“Georg Seeβlen (http://www.filmportal.de/df/c4/Artikel,,,,,,,,EED2B3634BF7DB6AE03053D50B377EB2,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,.html accessed 22/3/11) 11
  • 12. Course Conclusion • Denazification in West – Germany occupied – Nuremburg Trials – Collective Guilt – Fragenbogen – Persilschein – Many Nazis retain their roles in judiciary and government – Heimatvertriebene – Growing recognition of Holocaust from 1960’s on 12
  • 13. Course Conclusion • Anti Fascism in East – Germany liberated – Removal of National Socialist judges and teachers – Socialists not responsible for war – Capitalism = Imperialism = Fascism – W Germany = Fascism – Hierarchy of victimhood – Little recognition of Holocaust 13
  • 14. Course Conclusion • Part of ongoing public Vergangenheitsbewältigung • Films contradict national discourses about war • Films have laid down a number of fundamental national myths – German suffering – Lost paradise in the East – Nazi’s different from us – War = loss and catastrophe – Allies little involved in defeat of Germans • Films support national amnesias – Confused discourse about Holocaust – “Clean” Wehrmacht – Strong resistance movement – War a male experience 14