SlideShare a Scribd company logo
1 of 66
Download to read offline
Bloggers vs. Journalists:
It’s a Psychological Thing

     Twitter hashtag: #bvj

          Jay Rosen (jayrosen_nyu)
                 with assistance from
   Lisa Williams, Placeblogger.com (@lisawilliams)
                                               Twitter hashtag: #bvg
Twitter hashtag: #bvg



                    Twitter hashtag: #bvg
“I did not want to
preserve, I wanted to to preserve, I wanted to
      “I did not want
             facts.”
destroy the facts.”       destroy the facts…”
                             Lincoln Steffens




                                    Twitter hashtag: #bvg
It should be over




                    Twitter hashtag: #bvg
The ideal “other”




                    Twitter hashtag: #bvg
“A lot of bloggers seem to be socially
 inadequate, pimpled, single, slightly seedy,
bald, cauliflower-nosed young men sitting in
               their basements and ranting.”

                                Andrew Marr,
                         former political editor, BBC
                           host, Andrew Marr Show


                                       Twitter hashtag: #bvg
“Citizen journalism is the spewings and
rantings of very drunk people late at night.”

                               Andrew Marr



                                   Twitter hashtag: #bvg
“They” let themselves go




                Twitter hashtag: #bvg
“I think I have an unnatural obsession
  with and hatred of the editor of the
                (Columbus) Dispatch.”

                    “teet,” a blogger


                             Twitter hashtag: #bvg
“Bloggers, on the other hand, represent
nothing. They whinge, carp, and whine about
      our role in society, yet they contribute
     nothing to it, other than satisfying their
                                juvenile egos.”

          Editor’s column, Townsville Bulletin
                        Queensland, Australia

                                     Twitter hashtag: #bvg
Twitter hashtag: #bvg
“Note to Ben Marrison: if you want to
   pretend that you are somehow better than
bloggers because you are less biased and less
  lazy, you might consider actually NOT being
                         both lazy and biased.
               Don’t you know that’s our job?

                             Joseph Mismas,
                           plunderbund.com
                                    Twitter hashtag: #bvg
“No amount of random blogging and gotcha
videos can replace the journalism that keeps
   a government accountable to its people.”

                             Connie Schulz,
                      Cleveland Plain Dealer


                                  Twitter hashtag: #bvg
"Chicago Tribune reporters work in difficult
  and sometimes dangerous conditions. They
do not blog from mommy's basement, cutting
and pasting what others have reported, while
      putting it under a cute pen name on the
                                    Internet.”

                                  John Kass,
                             Chicago Tribune
                                   Twitter hashtag: #bvg
What do they have against basements, anyway?




                              CC 2.0 licensed photo by crazytales562, flickr.c
                                                Twitter hashtag: #bvg
grumbling about bloggers these days is
tantamount to yelling at the neighborhood
kids to get off your lawn. It makes you look
really, really old             Julie Di Caro, Chicago Now




                                           CC 2.0 licensed photo by firexbrat, flickr.com


                                                              Twitter hashtag: #bvg
What would be nice to
have in there (and I'm
not sure if anyone
state it openly) is if a
journalist said, YES! I
would love to write
with reckless
abandon the way the
bloggers do. I'd like to
print it out and post it
on my refrigerator."
Anna Tarkov                Twitter hashtag: #bvg
“Really good print journalism is ego-free.”
                          Marc Ambinder,
                          National Journal




                                 Twitter hashtag: #bvg
I don't buy into the widespread delusion that
legions of bloggers, compulsive twitterers or
   facebookers amount to a replacement for
                                 journalism.
                             Frédéric Filloux,
                             Liberation, Paris


                                    Twitter hashtag: #bvg
Bloggers start out with a right to voice




                               Twitter hashtag: #bvg
The sad truth is that the Washington Post, in
 its general desperation for page views, now
      hires people who came up in journalism
without much adult supervision, and without
        the proper amount of toilet-training."
                       Anonymous comment,
                        Washingtonpost.com

                                    Twitter hashtag: #bvg
"Bloggers will write that their mother loves
       them. Journalists will check it out."

                         Steve Woodward,
                                Nozzl.com



                                  Twitter hashtag: #bvg
Un-professionalism as a badge of pride




                             Twitter hashtag: #bvg
"Bloggers include political hacks, conspiracy theorists, and
                  40 year old guys with an obsession about Jar-Jar Binks."
                                              - Bob Bird, Boone Examiner




photo:                                                      Twitter hashtag: #bvg
Istolethetv
It's one Internet, one news system. Bloggers
                          aren't “outside” it.




                                    Twitter hashtag: #bvg
Innocence is power




          Twitter hashtag: #bvg
“Journalism v. blogging is a nonissue -- the
                  issue is owned vs. free.”
                                Greg Bean




                                  Twitter hashtag: #bvg
When you claim press corruption: “You just
      slapped ever every journalist who has
uncovered corruption, died on a battlefield,
or attended a city council meeting on YOUR
                         behalf in the face.”

       "Functional Pages," commenting on
                            Pressthink.org

                                   Twitter hashtag: #bvg
“Doesn't the distinction between bloggers
  and journalists boil down to resources?”

                           Maureen Ogle
                  author, Ambitious Brew



                                 Twitter hashtag: #bvg
What makes it journalism? Copy editors.

                        H/T David Cole,
                           newsinc.net



                              Twitter hashtag: #bvg
“A blog is the unedited voice of a person.”

                               Dave Winer




                                 Twitter hashtag: #bvg
“A blog is the unedited voice of a person.”
                              - Dave Winer




                                              Twitter hashtag: #bvg
“There seems to be no end to argument in
                            your world.”
                               Bill Keller




                                Twitter hashtag: #bvg
Long ago (the 20s and 30's) they were forced
    to give up their voice in return for steady
     employment, institutional power, social
              position, and workplace peace.



                                     Twitter hashtag: #bvg
“Objectivity as ideology was a kind of
                  industrial discipline.”
                     Michael Schudson
     “Why Democracies Need an Unlovable Press”


                  H/T Megan Garber, NiemanLab


                                 Twitter hashtag: #bvg
Thanks!
@jayrosen_nyu




     Twitter hashtag: #bvg
Twitter hashtag: #bvg
Twitter hashtag: #bvg
Twitter hashtag: #bvg
Twitter hashtag: #bvg
Twitter hashtag: #bvg
Twitter hashtag: #bvg
Twitter hashtag: #bvg
Twitter hashtag: #bvg
Twitter hashtag: #bvg
Twitter hashtag: #bvg
Twitter hashtag: #bvg
Twitter hashtag: #bvg
Twitter hashtag: #bvg
Twitter hashtag: #bvg
Twitter hashtag: #bvg
Twitter hashtag: #bvg
Twitter hashtag: #bvg
Twitter hashtag: #bvg
Twitter hashtag: #bvg
Twitter hashtag: #bvg
Twitter hashtag: #bvg
Twitter hashtag: #bvg
Twitter hashtag: #bvg
Twitter hashtag: #bvg
Twitter hashtag: #bvg
Twitter hashtag: #bvg
Twitter hashtag: #bvg
Twitter hashtag: #bvg
Twitter hashtag: #bvg
Twitter hashtag: #bvg

More Related Content

More from Lisa Williams

Deceptive charts and graphs
Deceptive charts and graphsDeceptive charts and graphs
Deceptive charts and graphsLisa Williams
 
Deceptive charts and graphs
Deceptive charts and graphsDeceptive charts and graphs
Deceptive charts and graphsLisa Williams
 
Impaq me-presentation
Impaq me-presentationImpaq me-presentation
Impaq me-presentationLisa Williams
 
Four tests for startups
Four tests for startupsFour tests for startups
Four tests for startupsLisa Williams
 
Data for-radicals-lesson-1
Data for-radicals-lesson-1Data for-radicals-lesson-1
Data for-radicals-lesson-1Lisa Williams
 
Sxsw 2012 lisa williams the hyperlocal hoax
Sxsw 2012 lisa williams the hyperlocal hoaxSxsw 2012 lisa williams the hyperlocal hoax
Sxsw 2012 lisa williams the hyperlocal hoaxLisa Williams
 
The Future Is Small But The Impact Isn't
The Future Is Small But The Impact Isn'tThe Future Is Small But The Impact Isn't
The Future Is Small But The Impact Isn'tLisa Williams
 
Data Visualization for Journalism
Data Visualization for Journalism Data Visualization for Journalism
Data Visualization for Journalism Lisa Williams
 
How do I identify great media projects?
How do I identify great media projects?How do I identify great media projects?
How do I identify great media projects?Lisa Williams
 
Sxsw 2011 version 2 for pdf
Sxsw 2011 version 2 for pdfSxsw 2011 version 2 for pdf
Sxsw 2011 version 2 for pdfLisa Williams
 
Local: A Laboratory for Journalism's Future
Local: A Laboratory for Journalism's FutureLocal: A Laboratory for Journalism's Future
Local: A Laboratory for Journalism's FutureLisa Williams
 
How I Created A News Startup
How I Created A News StartupHow I Created A News Startup
How I Created A News StartupLisa Williams
 
Mapping Your Way To Site Success: Site Plans for Proj
Mapping Your Way To Site Success: Site Plans for ProjMapping Your Way To Site Success: Site Plans for Proj
Mapping Your Way To Site Success: Site Plans for ProjLisa Williams
 
Web Dev101 For Journalists
Web Dev101 For JournalistsWeb Dev101 For Journalists
Web Dev101 For JournalistsLisa Williams
 
If You're A Journalism Major, You Have a Choice
If You're A Journalism Major, You Have a ChoiceIf You're A Journalism Major, You Have a Choice
If You're A Journalism Major, You Have a ChoiceLisa Williams
 
Startups For Journalists
Startups For JournalistsStartups For Journalists
Startups For JournalistsLisa Williams
 
Thinking Like A Startup for Journalists
Thinking Like A Startup for JournalistsThinking Like A Startup for Journalists
Thinking Like A Startup for JournalistsLisa Williams
 
Attracting & Landing Tech Talent For Your Project
Attracting & Landing Tech Talent For Your ProjectAttracting & Landing Tech Talent For Your Project
Attracting & Landing Tech Talent For Your ProjectLisa Williams
 

More from Lisa Williams (20)

Deceptive charts and graphs
Deceptive charts and graphsDeceptive charts and graphs
Deceptive charts and graphs
 
Deceptive charts and graphs
Deceptive charts and graphsDeceptive charts and graphs
Deceptive charts and graphs
 
Impaq me-presentation
Impaq me-presentationImpaq me-presentation
Impaq me-presentation
 
Four tests for startups
Four tests for startupsFour tests for startups
Four tests for startups
 
Data for-radicals-lesson-1
Data for-radicals-lesson-1Data for-radicals-lesson-1
Data for-radicals-lesson-1
 
Sxsw 2012 lisa williams the hyperlocal hoax
Sxsw 2012 lisa williams the hyperlocal hoaxSxsw 2012 lisa williams the hyperlocal hoax
Sxsw 2012 lisa williams the hyperlocal hoax
 
Grafton conference2
Grafton conference2Grafton conference2
Grafton conference2
 
The Future Is Small But The Impact Isn't
The Future Is Small But The Impact Isn'tThe Future Is Small But The Impact Isn't
The Future Is Small But The Impact Isn't
 
Data Visualization for Journalism
Data Visualization for Journalism Data Visualization for Journalism
Data Visualization for Journalism
 
How do I identify great media projects?
How do I identify great media projects?How do I identify great media projects?
How do I identify great media projects?
 
Sxsw 2011 version 2 for pdf
Sxsw 2011 version 2 for pdfSxsw 2011 version 2 for pdf
Sxsw 2011 version 2 for pdf
 
Local: A Laboratory for Journalism's Future
Local: A Laboratory for Journalism's FutureLocal: A Laboratory for Journalism's Future
Local: A Laboratory for Journalism's Future
 
How I Created A News Startup
How I Created A News StartupHow I Created A News Startup
How I Created A News Startup
 
Public media camp
Public media campPublic media camp
Public media camp
 
Mapping Your Way To Site Success: Site Plans for Proj
Mapping Your Way To Site Success: Site Plans for ProjMapping Your Way To Site Success: Site Plans for Proj
Mapping Your Way To Site Success: Site Plans for Proj
 
Web Dev101 For Journalists
Web Dev101 For JournalistsWeb Dev101 For Journalists
Web Dev101 For Journalists
 
If You're A Journalism Major, You Have a Choice
If You're A Journalism Major, You Have a ChoiceIf You're A Journalism Major, You Have a Choice
If You're A Journalism Major, You Have a Choice
 
Startups For Journalists
Startups For JournalistsStartups For Journalists
Startups For Journalists
 
Thinking Like A Startup for Journalists
Thinking Like A Startup for JournalistsThinking Like A Startup for Journalists
Thinking Like A Startup for Journalists
 
Attracting & Landing Tech Talent For Your Project
Attracting & Landing Tech Talent For Your ProjectAttracting & Landing Tech Talent For Your Project
Attracting & Landing Tech Talent For Your Project
 

Recently uploaded

A young black boy that lives in the ghetto
A young black boy that lives in the ghettoA young black boy that lives in the ghetto
A young black boy that lives in the ghettoterryhords56
 
Dep.Baptista.Jr - Termo de depoimento
Dep.Baptista.Jr - Termo de depoimentoDep.Baptista.Jr - Termo de depoimento
Dep.Baptista.Jr - Termo de depoimentoEditora 247
 
Pakistan Propaganda Needs Effective Rebuttal.
Pakistan Propaganda Needs Effective Rebuttal.Pakistan Propaganda Needs Effective Rebuttal.
Pakistan Propaganda Needs Effective Rebuttal.Nilendra Kumar
 
Dep. Freire Gomes - Termo de depoimento.
Dep. Freire Gomes - Termo de depoimento.Dep. Freire Gomes - Termo de depoimento.
Dep. Freire Gomes - Termo de depoimento.Editora 247
 
10032024_First India Newspaper Jaipur.pdf
10032024_First India Newspaper Jaipur.pdf10032024_First India Newspaper Jaipur.pdf
10032024_First India Newspaper Jaipur.pdfFIRST INDIA
 
Industrial Air Pollution studying Bhopal Gas Tragedy and Its impact in ecolog...
Industrial Air Pollution studying Bhopal Gas Tragedy and Its impact in ecolog...Industrial Air Pollution studying Bhopal Gas Tragedy and Its impact in ecolog...
Industrial Air Pollution studying Bhopal Gas Tragedy and Its impact in ecolog...Hem Chand
 
Understanding of Post-Event Press Release .pdf
Understanding of Post-Event Press Release .pdfUnderstanding of Post-Event Press Release .pdf
Understanding of Post-Event Press Release .pdfprnewswireagency
 
Court Denies Rust Request for an Injunction to stay on the ballot
Court Denies Rust Request for an Injunction to stay on the ballotCourt Denies Rust Request for an Injunction to stay on the ballot
Court Denies Rust Request for an Injunction to stay on the ballotAbdul-Hakim Shabazz
 

Recently uploaded (9)

A young black boy that lives in the ghetto
A young black boy that lives in the ghettoA young black boy that lives in the ghetto
A young black boy that lives in the ghetto
 
Dep.Baptista.Jr - Termo de depoimento
Dep.Baptista.Jr - Termo de depoimentoDep.Baptista.Jr - Termo de depoimento
Dep.Baptista.Jr - Termo de depoimento
 
Pakistan Propaganda Needs Effective Rebuttal.
Pakistan Propaganda Needs Effective Rebuttal.Pakistan Propaganda Needs Effective Rebuttal.
Pakistan Propaganda Needs Effective Rebuttal.
 
Why democracy dies in Trumpian boredom (by Edward Luce)
Why democracy dies in Trumpian boredom (by Edward Luce)Why democracy dies in Trumpian boredom (by Edward Luce)
Why democracy dies in Trumpian boredom (by Edward Luce)
 
Dep. Freire Gomes - Termo de depoimento.
Dep. Freire Gomes - Termo de depoimento.Dep. Freire Gomes - Termo de depoimento.
Dep. Freire Gomes - Termo de depoimento.
 
10032024_First India Newspaper Jaipur.pdf
10032024_First India Newspaper Jaipur.pdf10032024_First India Newspaper Jaipur.pdf
10032024_First India Newspaper Jaipur.pdf
 
Industrial Air Pollution studying Bhopal Gas Tragedy and Its impact in ecolog...
Industrial Air Pollution studying Bhopal Gas Tragedy and Its impact in ecolog...Industrial Air Pollution studying Bhopal Gas Tragedy and Its impact in ecolog...
Industrial Air Pollution studying Bhopal Gas Tragedy and Its impact in ecolog...
 
Understanding of Post-Event Press Release .pdf
Understanding of Post-Event Press Release .pdfUnderstanding of Post-Event Press Release .pdf
Understanding of Post-Event Press Release .pdf
 
Court Denies Rust Request for an Injunction to stay on the ballot
Court Denies Rust Request for an Injunction to stay on the ballotCourt Denies Rust Request for an Injunction to stay on the ballot
Court Denies Rust Request for an Injunction to stay on the ballot
 

Bloggers vs Journalists: It's a Psychological Thing