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  CHALLENGES OF HR OUTSOURCING
           IN VIETNAM
  Presented by: Huong Nguyen
  Date: 18th March, 2011




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CONTENT

1.   What is outsourcing?
2.   Why HR outsourcing?
3.   Advantages and Disadvantages of
     HR outsourcing.
4.   Challenges of HR outsourcing in
     VN
5.   Important notes for an successful
     HR outsourcing project
6.   How to choose a good HR
     outsourcing vendor ?
7.   Case study of HR outsourcing in
     VN
8.   Q&A
WHAT IS OUTSOURCING?

1. Definition:
   Out: external, source: resource.
   Outsourcing means contracting out of a
   business function - commonly one
   previously performed in-house - to an
   external provider.

2. There are 3 levels of outsourcing:
   a. Tactical outsourcing
• Lack of talent, resource
• Reduce headcount (restructuring)
WHAT IS OUTSOURCING?

 Benefit of tactical outsourcing:
• Generate immediate cost savings
• Eliminate the need for future investment
• Relieve the burden of staffing

Typical services: staffing outsourcing service

b. Strategic outsourcing
• Outsource all of the functions, responsibility of one area
• Relationship between the organization and outsourcing
   vendor is switch from buyer & supplier to business partner.
WHAT IS OUTSOURCING?
 Benefits of strategic outsourcing:
• Reduce in-house administration
• Focus on strategic issues
• Benefit from external expertise and well-tested processes

  Typical services: IT outsourcing, payroll outsourcing, legal
  outsourcing, hiring, training & development…outsourcing.

c. Tranformational outsourcing
• Innovation that outside specialists bring to the business
• Centered on creating value vs on cutting costs
• Powerful tool/forces for change, partner in the battle for market
   and mind share.
WHAT IS OUTSOURCING?

 Benefits of transformational outsourcing:
• Gain confidence and experience from strategic partner
• Build on best practice
• Move further, faster
  Typical services: Longer term collaborative partnership,
  growth and productivity strategies..
Typical services: 3PL




                        Source: Armstrong& Associates, Inc.
Trends in 3PL




                Source: Armstrong& Associates, Inc.
WHY HR OUTSOURCING ?
WHY HR OUTSOURCING ?
*    85 % of the time on Administration and Management with no
     Added Value
*    15% of the time on HR strategies, communication, planning.
     According to Hewitt’s HR outsourcing Trend and Insights
     2009 survey, top reasons for outsourcing HR services:

5.   Opportunity for cost savings             78%
6.   Access to outside expertise              78%
7.   Improve service quality                  74%
8.   Realign resources/focus
     on strategic HR properties               72%
5.   Relief from regulatory/
     administrative burden                    70%
ADVANTAGES VS DISADVANTAGES

ADVANTAGES
2. Access to pool of talent, sustainable sources of
   skill
3. Efficiency, focus on core business, core resources
4. Cost saving, no investment for infrastructure,
   software…
5. Cost restructure: move fixed cost to variable cost
   and make variable cost more predictable
6. Risk management: transfer risk of non tax and
   legal compliance to outsourced vendor
7. Back up plan
ADVANTAGES VS DISADVANTAGES

DISADVANTAGES

3.    More expenses if not choosing
      a good outsourced vendor
4.    Sensitive information may leak
      to competitors
5.    Less control of the processes
6.    Weak connection with staff/end
      users
7.    Dependency on outsourced
      vendor
CHALLENGES OF HR OUTSOURCING IN VN

1.    HR outsourcing is new concept with Vietnamese
      Government and community
2.    HR outsourcing industry is still immature market
3.    Organization do not have too many options in selecting a
      professional HR outsourcing vendor to meet their needs
4.    Pool of skillful resources are limited
5.    Outsourcing costs are high compared with labour cost and
      very high compared with ones in developed countries
6.    IT Infra-structure, data integrity, data security should be
      invested in large scale
7.    Integrated solutions should be developed
IMPORTANT NOTES FOR SUCCESSFUL HR
OUTSOURCING PROJECT




Source: The black book of Outsourcing: How to manage the changes, challenges,
opportunities _ Douglas Brown & Scott Wilson
IMPORTANT NOTES FOR SUCCESSFUL HR
  OUTSOURCING PROJECT

1. Service Level Agreement (SLA): clear, detail and there are
   some valuable points need to focus:

     Timeline to deliver the services: an fixed schedule should be
    discussed and agreed in advance between the organization and
    vendor
    What kind of reports/output to be delivered: a check list of reports,
      outputs should be discussed and followed on
    monthly/quartery/yearly basic
    Responsibilities of organization and vendor: this should be
    mentioned as detailed as possible as many unclear services
    will be extra charged to your organization
    Decisions to be made by organization, vendor: this is very
    important          in HR outsourcing as it much link with your staff ‘
    feeling and your HR cost
IMPORTANT NOTES FOR SUCCESSFUL HR
  OUTSOURCING PROJECT

2. Planning transition

    Keep end users informed about the goals and progress of
            the arrangement
    Get end users involved: input in outsourcing plans, how the
      changes affect them..
    Buy-in end users and sign-off on outsourced activities
    Educate end users about new method of the process
    Take care with high sensitivity if it involves transition of
      employee from organization to HR outsourcing vendor.
IMPORTANT NOTES FOR SUCCESSFUL HR
  OUTSOURCING PROJECT

3. Management commitment and support :
• Management commitment and support are essential as
   outsourcing project involves a great deal of changes,
   especially in cases of reorganization

4. Performance monitoring and support:
• Performance should be review frequently to make sure the
   service can meet the organization’s expectation.
• Mutual support, understanding and solving problems with a
   we’re- in-this-together attitude.
HOW TO CHOOSE A GOOD HR
VENDOR IN VIETNAM

    Hewitt’s HR Outsourcing Trends and Insights 2009
    Survey gives top factors to consider in choosing
    outsourcing provider:

•   Service quality
•   Track record
•   Strong HR Process expertise
•   Brand trust
•   Strength in customising solutions

    Very few organizations select their HR providers
    based on lowest cost
HOW TO CHOOSE A GOOD HR VENDOR
IN VIETNAM




   Case study of ABC
   in choosing a
   vendor for payroll
   service
   05/2009 to 11/2009
Case Study
               • Internal discuss about strategic outsourcing of payroll as the number of employee increase double or tripple in 2 year time

               • Finallize the scope of work need to outsource
Strategy+
               • Timeliness: May 2009
 Scope




                  •Invite 3 HR vendors to come to present their services and discuss with them the scope of service need to outsource
                  • Get 3 quotations from 3 HR vendors
                  • Check reference in the network, or current clients using payroll services on technical expertise, customer services, staff
Negotiation       turnover, deadline… (by email, telephone)
and finalise
                  • Visit vendor’s office (HR team+IT) to access server room, filing system, software, and interview the IT manager and the
                  consultant to deliver the services ( some organization the Sales manager is very excellent, while the staff to deliver the
                  services is not qualified)
                  • Finalise the vendor based on quality, cost ..
                  • Finalise the contract and sign- off
                  •Timelineness: Jun to July 2009
Case Study

            • Inform staff about the payroll outsourcing arrangement: explain the reasons why outsourcing payroll and get their inputs and
            expectation
            • Arrange a meeting between vendor and all staff: to introduce the vendor, and introduce some new method as e-payslip
            access
Implement
            • Inform the vendor all the information related to services as ABC’ payment policy, staff expectation, management
  ation     expectation, culture…
            • Handover employee data to new vendor for setting up in Aug 2009
            • Run paralell in two payroll circles: Sep and Oct 2009
            • Go live on Nov. 2009
            • Monthly check list of documents exchanged between the parties and the output reports are followed up


            • Review the services quality by each quaterly and then 6 month
  Post-
            • Renew the contract after one year and a half.
Implemen
  tation
Summary


 In other countries, companies have embraced
  HR outsourcing enthusiastically

 How can we help companies in Vietnam learn
  from their experience and share in the
  benefits?
Q&A
For more details on HR Outsourcing services, please contact:

Ms. Nguyen Thi Thanh Huong
Senior Manager, Payroll & HR Outsourcing services
TalentNet Corporation
4th Floor, Star Building,
33 Mac Dinh Chi Street
District 1, HCMC, Vietnam
Tel: (84 8) 6291 4188 ext: 202
Email: nguyen.t.thanh.huong@talentnet.vn

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HR outsourcing

  • 1. www.talentnet.vn CHALLENGES OF HR OUTSOURCING IN VIETNAM Presented by: Huong Nguyen Date: 18th March, 2011 4th Floor, Star Building, 33Building, 33 Mac Dinh District 1, Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam Vietnam 4th Floor, Star Mac Dinh Chi Street, Chi Street, District 1, Ho Chi Minh City, Tel: (84-8) 291 188 - Fax: (84-8) 291 4088 - Email: contact@talentnet.vn Tel: (84-8) 6 291 4188 - Fax: (84-8) 6 291 4088 - Email: contact@talentnet.vn International Centre, UnitCentre, Unit 06, 5th floor, 17 Ngo Quyen Street, Hanoi, Vietnam International 06, 5th floor, 17 Ngo Quyen Street, Hanoi, Vietnam Tel: ( 84 4) 936 76184) Fax: ( 84 4) - Fax: ( 84- 4) 3 936contact-hn@talentnet.vn Tel: ( 84 - 3 936 7618 936 7619 E-mail: 7619 - E-mail: contact-hn@talentnet.vn
  • 2. CONTENT 1. What is outsourcing? 2. Why HR outsourcing? 3. Advantages and Disadvantages of HR outsourcing. 4. Challenges of HR outsourcing in VN 5. Important notes for an successful HR outsourcing project 6. How to choose a good HR outsourcing vendor ? 7. Case study of HR outsourcing in VN 8. Q&A
  • 3. WHAT IS OUTSOURCING? 1. Definition: Out: external, source: resource. Outsourcing means contracting out of a business function - commonly one previously performed in-house - to an external provider. 2. There are 3 levels of outsourcing: a. Tactical outsourcing • Lack of talent, resource • Reduce headcount (restructuring)
  • 4. WHAT IS OUTSOURCING?  Benefit of tactical outsourcing: • Generate immediate cost savings • Eliminate the need for future investment • Relieve the burden of staffing Typical services: staffing outsourcing service b. Strategic outsourcing • Outsource all of the functions, responsibility of one area • Relationship between the organization and outsourcing vendor is switch from buyer & supplier to business partner.
  • 5. WHAT IS OUTSOURCING?  Benefits of strategic outsourcing: • Reduce in-house administration • Focus on strategic issues • Benefit from external expertise and well-tested processes Typical services: IT outsourcing, payroll outsourcing, legal outsourcing, hiring, training & development…outsourcing. c. Tranformational outsourcing • Innovation that outside specialists bring to the business • Centered on creating value vs on cutting costs • Powerful tool/forces for change, partner in the battle for market and mind share.
  • 6. WHAT IS OUTSOURCING?  Benefits of transformational outsourcing: • Gain confidence and experience from strategic partner • Build on best practice • Move further, faster Typical services: Longer term collaborative partnership, growth and productivity strategies..
  • 7. Typical services: 3PL Source: Armstrong& Associates, Inc.
  • 8. Trends in 3PL Source: Armstrong& Associates, Inc.
  • 10. WHY HR OUTSOURCING ? * 85 % of the time on Administration and Management with no Added Value * 15% of the time on HR strategies, communication, planning. According to Hewitt’s HR outsourcing Trend and Insights 2009 survey, top reasons for outsourcing HR services: 5. Opportunity for cost savings 78% 6. Access to outside expertise 78% 7. Improve service quality 74% 8. Realign resources/focus on strategic HR properties 72% 5. Relief from regulatory/ administrative burden 70%
  • 11. ADVANTAGES VS DISADVANTAGES ADVANTAGES 2. Access to pool of talent, sustainable sources of skill 3. Efficiency, focus on core business, core resources 4. Cost saving, no investment for infrastructure, software… 5. Cost restructure: move fixed cost to variable cost and make variable cost more predictable 6. Risk management: transfer risk of non tax and legal compliance to outsourced vendor 7. Back up plan
  • 12. ADVANTAGES VS DISADVANTAGES DISADVANTAGES 3. More expenses if not choosing a good outsourced vendor 4. Sensitive information may leak to competitors 5. Less control of the processes 6. Weak connection with staff/end users 7. Dependency on outsourced vendor
  • 13. CHALLENGES OF HR OUTSOURCING IN VN 1. HR outsourcing is new concept with Vietnamese Government and community 2. HR outsourcing industry is still immature market 3. Organization do not have too many options in selecting a professional HR outsourcing vendor to meet their needs 4. Pool of skillful resources are limited 5. Outsourcing costs are high compared with labour cost and very high compared with ones in developed countries 6. IT Infra-structure, data integrity, data security should be invested in large scale 7. Integrated solutions should be developed
  • 14. IMPORTANT NOTES FOR SUCCESSFUL HR OUTSOURCING PROJECT Source: The black book of Outsourcing: How to manage the changes, challenges, opportunities _ Douglas Brown & Scott Wilson
  • 15. IMPORTANT NOTES FOR SUCCESSFUL HR OUTSOURCING PROJECT 1. Service Level Agreement (SLA): clear, detail and there are some valuable points need to focus:  Timeline to deliver the services: an fixed schedule should be discussed and agreed in advance between the organization and vendor  What kind of reports/output to be delivered: a check list of reports, outputs should be discussed and followed on monthly/quartery/yearly basic  Responsibilities of organization and vendor: this should be mentioned as detailed as possible as many unclear services will be extra charged to your organization  Decisions to be made by organization, vendor: this is very important in HR outsourcing as it much link with your staff ‘ feeling and your HR cost
  • 16. IMPORTANT NOTES FOR SUCCESSFUL HR OUTSOURCING PROJECT 2. Planning transition  Keep end users informed about the goals and progress of the arrangement  Get end users involved: input in outsourcing plans, how the changes affect them..  Buy-in end users and sign-off on outsourced activities  Educate end users about new method of the process  Take care with high sensitivity if it involves transition of employee from organization to HR outsourcing vendor.
  • 17. IMPORTANT NOTES FOR SUCCESSFUL HR OUTSOURCING PROJECT 3. Management commitment and support : • Management commitment and support are essential as outsourcing project involves a great deal of changes, especially in cases of reorganization 4. Performance monitoring and support: • Performance should be review frequently to make sure the service can meet the organization’s expectation. • Mutual support, understanding and solving problems with a we’re- in-this-together attitude.
  • 18. HOW TO CHOOSE A GOOD HR VENDOR IN VIETNAM Hewitt’s HR Outsourcing Trends and Insights 2009 Survey gives top factors to consider in choosing outsourcing provider: • Service quality • Track record • Strong HR Process expertise • Brand trust • Strength in customising solutions Very few organizations select their HR providers based on lowest cost
  • 19. HOW TO CHOOSE A GOOD HR VENDOR IN VIETNAM Case study of ABC in choosing a vendor for payroll service 05/2009 to 11/2009
  • 20. Case Study • Internal discuss about strategic outsourcing of payroll as the number of employee increase double or tripple in 2 year time • Finallize the scope of work need to outsource Strategy+ • Timeliness: May 2009 Scope •Invite 3 HR vendors to come to present their services and discuss with them the scope of service need to outsource • Get 3 quotations from 3 HR vendors • Check reference in the network, or current clients using payroll services on technical expertise, customer services, staff Negotiation turnover, deadline… (by email, telephone) and finalise • Visit vendor’s office (HR team+IT) to access server room, filing system, software, and interview the IT manager and the consultant to deliver the services ( some organization the Sales manager is very excellent, while the staff to deliver the services is not qualified) • Finalise the vendor based on quality, cost .. • Finalise the contract and sign- off •Timelineness: Jun to July 2009
  • 21. Case Study • Inform staff about the payroll outsourcing arrangement: explain the reasons why outsourcing payroll and get their inputs and expectation • Arrange a meeting between vendor and all staff: to introduce the vendor, and introduce some new method as e-payslip access Implement • Inform the vendor all the information related to services as ABC’ payment policy, staff expectation, management ation expectation, culture… • Handover employee data to new vendor for setting up in Aug 2009 • Run paralell in two payroll circles: Sep and Oct 2009 • Go live on Nov. 2009 • Monthly check list of documents exchanged between the parties and the output reports are followed up • Review the services quality by each quaterly and then 6 month Post- • Renew the contract after one year and a half. Implemen tation
  • 22. Summary  In other countries, companies have embraced HR outsourcing enthusiastically  How can we help companies in Vietnam learn from their experience and share in the benefits?
  • 23. Q&A
  • 24. For more details on HR Outsourcing services, please contact: Ms. Nguyen Thi Thanh Huong Senior Manager, Payroll & HR Outsourcing services TalentNet Corporation 4th Floor, Star Building, 33 Mac Dinh Chi Street District 1, HCMC, Vietnam Tel: (84 8) 6291 4188 ext: 202 Email: nguyen.t.thanh.huong@talentnet.vn