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Military's social science grants raise alarm
Military's social science grants raise alarm
Military's social science grants raise alarm
Military's social science grants raise alarm
Military's social science grants raise alarm
Military's social science grants raise alarm
Military's social science grants raise alarm
Military's social science grants raise alarm
Military's social science grants raise alarm
Military's social science grants raise alarm
Military's social science grants raise alarm
Military's social science grants raise alarm
Military's social science grants raise alarm
Military's social science grants raise alarm
Military's social science grants raise alarm
Military's social science grants raise alarm
Military's social science grants raise alarm
Military's social science grants raise alarm
Military's social science grants raise alarm
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  • 1. Militarys Social Science Grants Raise Alarm http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/02/AR2008080201544_pf.html Militarys Social Science Grants Raise Alarm By Maria Glod Washington Post Staff Writer Sunday, August 3, 2008; A05 Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates is calling on "eggheads" to help the military unravel questions about the recruitment of terrorists, the resurgence of the Taliban and messages delivered in militant Muslim religious schools. Many eggheads are wary. The Pentagons $50 million Minerva Research Initiative, named after the Roman goddess of wisdom and warriors, will fund social science research deemed crucial to national security. Initial proposals were due July 25, and the first grants are expected to be awarded by years end. But the Network of Concerned Anthropologists, which includes professors from American and George Mason universities, said dependence on Pentagon funding could make universities an "instrument rather than a critic of war-making." In a May 28 letter to federal officials, the American Anthropological Association said that it was of "paramount importance . . . to study the roots of terrorism and other forms of violence" but that its members are "deeply concerned that funding such research through the Pentagon may pose a potential conflict of interest." Gates, a former president of Texas A&M University, described the Minerva program in an April speech to the Association of American Universities. The nation should devote more resources to "elements of national power beyond the guns and steel of the military," he said. "In Iraq and Afghanistan, the heroic efforts and best intentions of our men and women in uniform have at times been undercut by a lack of knowledge of the culture and people they are dealing with every day," he said. Gates said the research would not be kept secret. David Price, an anthropologist at St. Martins University in Lacey, Wash., and the author of a book on anthropological intelligence in World War II, agreed that the military and policymakers should know more about world cultures. But, he said, the Pentagon effort is flawed. "It sets up sort of a Soviet system, or top-down system," Price said. "If you look at the big picture, this will not make us smarter -- this will make us1 of 3 11/24/2008 3:50 PM
  • 2. Militarys Social Science Grants Raise Alarm http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/02/AR2008080201544_pf.html much more narrow. It will only look at problems Defense wants us to in a narrow way." Every year, the Defense Department spends billions of dollars on research to improve technology, weapons and medicine, including nearly $13 billion this fiscal year. But its relationship with social science has sometimes been tumultuous. Anthropologists were active during World War II, even designing propaganda to encourage Japanese soldiers to surrender. In the 1960s, Project Camelot, an Army-sponsored effort to study political change and unrest in Latin America, was canceled abruptly after the program was revealed in the Chilean press. Recently, the Armys Human Terrain System has embedded social scientists in military units in Iraq and Afghanistan with the aim of helping commanders understand local culture and customs. The project has drawn criticism from many academics. Two scholars have been killed. Thomas Mahnken, a deputy assistant defense secretary for policy planning, said Minerva is "not about supporting combat operations." He said Gates seeks to fill a void in funding for basic social science scholarship that would improve understanding of issues that bear on national security. "This is the first significant effort in 30 or 40 years to engage social sciences on a large scale by the Department of Defense," Mahnken said, citing the unsuccessful Project Camelot as a contributor to a rift between the military and many anthropologists. "There was an effort during [the Vietnam era] that ended up being ill-conceived and burned bridges on both sides, and, unfortunately, these attitudes have persisted," Mahnken said. "This effort is about rebuilding those bridges." In his April speech, Gates recalled U.S. efforts to raise math and science education after the Soviet Unions launch of Sputnik I, the first artificial satellite, in 1957. He quoted the late historian Arthur Schlesinger Jr. as saying that the United States should "return to the acceptance of eggheads and ideas if it is to meet the Russian challenge." Minerva will fund research on five topics, including the development of Chinas military and technological prowess and how religion, culture, economics and politics in the Islamic world "interact to foster political violence, terrorism or insurgent behavior." The Pentagon also wants insights into Saddam Husseins rule and into terrorist groups. Citing the development of game theory and Kremlinology in the Cold War, the Pentagon is asking the brightest minds to come up with new ways of thinking about national security. Universities around the world are eligible for Minerva funding. Officials said $50 million will be awarded over five years. David Vine, an American University anthropologist, criticized the initiative, saying the research would be limited by the Pentagons worldview. "Research about a potential conflict with China, I feel, may be part of a large self-fulfilling prophecy," Vine said. "That kind of research could lead up to an increasing escalation of military tensions and military preparations for war." The Network of Concerned Anthropologists, which describes itself as an advocate for ethical anthropology, said the research topics could "contribute to creating more national and human insecurity by trafficking in the construction of . . . a connection between Islam and violence."2 of 3 11/24/2008 3:50 PM
  • 3. Militarys Social Science Grants Raise Alarm http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/02/AR2008080201544_pf.html Vine said he would apply for funding. His topic: how overseas military bases affect relations with other nations, "how theyve damaged our international reputation and how theyve damaged the lives of people around the world." Other academics embrace the Pentagon project. "Hopefully, a project like Minerva will provide some historical perspective before, rather than after, it is needed," said Robert B. Townsend, acting executive director of the American Historical Association. Graham B. Spanier, president of Penn State University, said researchers there will eagerly seek funding for work to bring insight and nuance to policymaking. Spanier, noting Gatess experience as a university president, expressed confidence in the defense secretarys commitment to academic freedom. In his April speech, Gates said Minerva would solicit diverse views, regardless of whether they are critical of the military. But Maximilian C. Forte, an anthropologist at Concordia University in Montreal, said he worries that the project could damage an important asset for anthropologists: trust. Forte, who has been doing research in the Caribbean region, said debate over Minerva has made some of his subjects suspicious of his motives. They want to know who is really backing him "because they are concerned I might be some kind of intelligence agent. Were all going to be seen as potentially serving the state, as being the eyes and ears of American foreign policy." View all comments that have been posted about this article. © 2008 The Washington Post Company Ads by Google Need Project Funding? Find Project Funding from $15k Largest network of real Investors goBIGnetwork.com/Funding Government Grants Canada Info on Government Grants for New / Existing Business 1-888-922-2623 www.cnbd.ca Canadian Business Grants Government Grants for Business Contact us now for information. canadian-grants-loans.org3 of 3 11/24/2008 3:50 PM
  • 4. Militarys Social Science Grants Raise Alarm - washingtonpost.com http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/02/AR2008080201544_Comm... Sign In | Register Now Print Edition | Subscribe | PostPoints NEWS POLITICS OPINIONS LOCAL SPORTS ARTS & LIVING GOING OUT GUIDE JOBS CARS REAL ESTATE RENTALS SHOPPING SEARCH: washingtonpost.com Web | Search Archives washingtonpost.com > Nation > Science Your Comments On... Militarys Social Science Grants Raise Alarm Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates is calling on "eggheads" to help the military unravel questions about the recruitment of terrorists, the resurgence of the Taliban and messages delivered in militant Muslim religious schools. - By Maria Glod Comments FranknErnest wrote: another welfare program sponsored by DoD. its sure to acheive the "Hawthorne Effect". the DoD management is must be full of simpletons NOT to know what entices recruitment of these foot soldiers. one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. its all relative who is john galt? 8/5/2008 5:21:44 PM Recommend (0) Report Abuse Discussion Policy thebuckguy wrote: Who besides the Anthropologists are up in arms about this? And who among the anthros besides a small interest group. The military supported important research on decision making (something no one else, besides NSF has been doing) and has contributed to many other areas. Given the general ignorance of most well educated people about vthe military, this may not be such a bad idea. 8/4/2008 6:08:40 PM1 of 8 11/24/2008 3:51 PM
  • 5. Militarys Social Science Grants Raise Alarm - washingtonpost.com http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/02/AR2008080201544_Comm... Report Abuse Discussion Policy Of course, this administration constantly would use terror, 9/11, Iraq, nuclear, Iran, world threat, any combination Warranted? Required is more like it. This administration has declared a secret war on science and the truth, therefore anything coming out of it should be treated as a lie designed to distract us from what we SHOULD be Report Abuse Discussion Policy US Americians are fabulous. Why not use the grant money to send our best sociologists, psychologists, and psychiatrists to the worst areas of the world? After all, they have aready done all they can for US citizens! Report Abuse Discussion Policy Somebody explained to the Pentagon the Corleones code to live by... keep your enemies closer; money well Besides, it no doubt exhausted the Pents think-tank to just come up with such a romantic and intriguing name for Report Abuse Discussion Policy THE VA has decided homeless disabeld vets are to much work again changing section 8 to leave the homeless disabled who without a savings or work without med care or the gi bill or voc rehab in the road. ssi is too poor needs too much help again more employed recovering addicts who can affrod to rent inaccessible rooms will get funds could be for accessible The HUD/VASH program is a limited grant. There are 30 slots now which are filling up and they expect 30 more in October. The person must be a veteran, homeless, earn $15,000-$25,000 per year, be willing to be in treatment if needed and participate in case management for 5 years. It is in conjunction with Section VIII Housing, so the person would pay 1/3 of the rent and the 2/3 is paid for 5 years. Currently it is being facilitated through Long Beach and the person needs to be willing to live in Long Beach for at least 2 years. The case manager would help them find an apartment and negotiate with the landlord but the person needs to be able to pay the 1/3 deposit2 of 8 11/24/2008 3:51 PM
  • 6. Militarys Social Science Grants Raise Alarm - washingtonpost.com http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/02/AR2008080201544_Comm... WHY NOT SOCSIL WORKERS AT THE VA ALREADY EXCELL AT PROTECTING THE AGENCY FROM CIVIL AND HUMAN RIGHTS.of vets THEY ARE ThE PERFECT ONES TO continue to the next step. 8/4/2008 9:16:39 AM Recommend (0) Report Abuse Discussion Policy pat10 wrote: Dear nrringlee: You have to be kidding. The idea of recruiting liberal arts people is fine, however those folks have been recruited already. They were recruited in high school and the college faculty has pushed them more to the left. They have been taught to reject honor, duty, country. The playing field is stacked against a Armed Forces recruiter. I wish it were so simple to reach the people in liberal arts colleges. "....I would be at the top liberal arts schools in this country, and I would be turning history and philosophy majors...." The liberal arts colleges pride themselves at keeping CIA, ROTC and military recruiters off campus. People like Nikos Retsos populate the faculty. undermine attempts to build communication between the Pentagon and academe. These open minded people tell everyone the US "...fights wars to sustain our hegemonic preeminence..." This is a great example of how the "university" has been corrupted by the inhabitants. Their idea is that the US is the source of problems not solutions. They forget Bosnia, Ukraine, South Korea, etc. They think the Taliban, North Korea, China, Sudan, Zimbabwe, all are victims of US plots. They like the way these peace loving countries protect folks at home and in places like Darfur. Whoops, those countries are the ones enabling the genocide in Darfur. These are the folks who block multilateral action in the UN because they want to keep their domestic repression off limits too. 8/4/2008 2:41:44 AM Recommend (0) Report Abuse Discussion Policy pat10 wrote: Dear nrringlee: You have to be kidding. The idea of recruiting liberal arts people is fine, however those folks have been recruited already. They were recruited in high school and the college faculty has pushed them more to the left. They have been taught to reject honor, duty, country. The playing field is stacked against a Armed Forces recruiter. I wish it were so simple to reach the people in liberal arts colleges. "....I would be at the top liberal arts schools in this country, and I would be turning history and philosophy majors...." The liberal arts colleges pride themselves at keeping CIA, ROTC and military recruiters off campus. People like Nikos Retsos populate the faculty. undermine attempts to build communication between the Pentagon3 of 8 11/24/2008 3:51 PM
  • 7. Militarys Social Science Grants Raise Alarm - washingtonpost.com http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/02/AR2008080201544_Comm... and academe. These open minded people tell everyone the US "...fights wars to sustain our hegemonic preeminence..." This is a great example of how the "university" has been corrupted by the inhabitants. Their idea is that the US is the source of problems not solutions. They forget Bosnia, Ukraine, South Korea, etc. They think the Taliban, North Korea, China, Sudan, Zimbabwe, all are victims of US plots. They like the way these peace loving countries protect folks at home and in places like Darfur. Whoops, those countries are the ones enabling the genocide in Darfur. These are the folks who block multilateral action in the UN because they want to keep their domestic repression off limits too. 8/4/2008 2:38:06 AM Recommend (0) Report Abuse Discussion Policy pat10 wrote: Are writers like Dreamreader real? Dreamreader wrote: "Thomas Mahnken.... said Minerva is not about supporting combat operations." Right. Again, why is it then Pentagon in charge of the Minerva Program? Hey Sherlock, the idea is to minimize conflict with the locals !!! The military also needs to know how to avoid creating more enemies than nuts like you try to manufacture with your anti-American gibberish. The Pentagon wants to avoid conflict. They do not want their people in harms way. It should make sense to someone like you who should agonize over US casualty counts. 8/4/2008 1:15:39 AM Recommend (0) Report Abuse Discussion Policy Homunculus wrote: So our pentagon is asking the brightest minds to come up with new ways of thinking about national security. And? The fact that there are those in this country who would without shame consider this a bad thing defies belief. It shows how 5th column thinking and treason is expressed so casually, blithely and without remorse today. Why as an American would you not wish to answer a call that advances our national interest, and provides tools for our people to better interact successfully with the world and its obstacles? There is a vertical relationship between strategic thought, tactics, and lives in any conflict. In conflict resolution, the more well informed, the more effective we are in resolving or avoiding that conflict. i.e less loss of life or resources. Arguments against Minerva, a common sense appeal to American academics from our government, are just cover4 of 8 11/24/2008 3:51 PM
  • 8. Militarys Social Science Grants Raise Alarm - washingtonpost.com http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/02/AR2008080201544_Comm... for deeper seated issues related to patriotism, or a shameful lack there of. 8/4/2008 12:15:26 AM Recommend (0) Report Abuse Discussion Policy wtortorici wrote: SO? 8/3/2008 11:37:28 PM Recommend (0) Report Abuse Discussion Policy teplicky101 wrote: Scientists created napalm, the atomic bomb, sarin, gas chambers, planned extinction... how is this different? 8/3/2008 8:42:44 PM Recommend (0) Report Abuse Discussion Policy VirginiaConservative wrote: Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates is calling on "eggheads" to help the military unravel questions about the recruitment of terrorists, the resurgence of the Taliban and messages delivered in militant Muslim religious schools. Bob, dude, let me help you save the taxpayers 50 big ones.. It is coming out of the mosques. Its called islam. Youre welcome. 8/3/2008 7:37:34 PM Recommend (1) Report Abuse Discussion Policy marrobcastle wrote: The thought that first entered my mind after reading this article was that the Pentagon have used psychologists to research the best methods of torturing. Some psychologists responded. Some people will do anything for money. If the Pentagon wants the truths provided by real scientists, the grants should allow the researchers to discover truths, not tell them what truths to discover. 8/3/2008 6:49:24 PM Recommend (1) Report Abuse Discussion Policy zixu wrote: The militarization of all aspects of our national life and culture continue. If the national security thugs didnt want a militarization of the society, this would never happen. All government bureaus, all universities, all think tanks must support the imperial mission of controling and subverting foreign societies. 8/3/2008 6:40:21 PM Recommend (1) Report Abuse Discussion Policy fenria14 wrote: Ill make it simple for you morons: People turn to terrorism when they feel demoralized and impotent in their own societies and homelands. When they see puppet governments erected instead of leaders of their own choosing, when they see their natural resources shipped off to other nations while their pockets are still empty, when they see world public opinion turn against them even though theyve done nothing wrong. There, and it didnt even cost5 of 8 11/24/2008 3:51 PM
  • 9. Militarys Social Science Grants Raise Alarm - washingtonpost.com http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/02/AR2008080201544_Comm... $50 million. 8/3/2008 6:32:54 PM Recommend (3) Report Abuse Discussion Policy clairevb wrote: A good start for the Pentagon would be to read, Eric Hoffers "The True Believer" I read it in high school. 8/3/2008 4:39:13 PM Recommend (0) Report Abuse Discussion Policy wtortorici wrote: "The Pentagon also wants insights into Saddam Husseins rule and into terrorist groups." Just 6 years to late. I cant help wondering though, why this statement uses Saddam Hussein and terrorist in the same sentence. As if Hussein was collaborating with known terrorist groups that we now know there was none. The opposite were the facts. Of course, this administration constantly would use terror, 9/11, Iraq, nuclear, Iran, world threat, any combination to promote their views. Is suspection warranted? c/,-O 8/3/2008 3:11:41 PM Recommend (2) Report Abuse Discussion Policy mikuleck wrote: We are in the 21st century but dont seem to have noticed. Another thing we have failed to notice is that much of the rest of the world is moving right along. Instead of using funds to try to enhance military intelligence (Oxymoron?) we need to make our educational system work again. That means that our school children should be up to date about world affairs and their importance to their survival. They should be taught the meaning and dangers of xenophobia. By the time they would be in the military we would no longer need to play catch up. Our foreign policy would be driven by an understanding public and we would never be in the kind of mess we are in now. Wallowing in our ignorance about the other 90+% of our world can only lead to disaster. Set my people free! Please! 8/3/2008 2:57:21 PM Recommend (3) Report Abuse Discussion Policy VoiceofReason wrote: As a patriot, I offer this free analysis: Remove the sanity barriers. Refugee camps, with no amenities, no education, and most importantly, NO HOPE, foster insanity.6 of 8 11/24/2008 3:51 PM
  • 10. Militarys Social Science Grants Raise Alarm - washingtonpost.com http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/02/AR2008080201544_Comm... Insanity breeds terrorists who have nothing else to lose and are easily exploited. Insane people are coerced to believe that suicide bombing becomes an honorable suicide. As long as policies exist that regenerate the same disenfranchisement of HOPE, people will be driven insane and evil will exploit them. Provide HOPE. If we are not a part of the solution, then we are a part of the problem. But alas, Audacity loves to create CHAOS, or so it seems. Please, journalists, fearlessly seek and publish TRUTH. Only TRUTH will set us all free. 8/3/2008 2:22:47 PM Recommend (3) Report Abuse Discussion Policy 1 2 3 Next Page > Last Page >> E-Mail This Page © 2008 The Washington Post Company Ads by Google Small Business Grants Find Small Business Grants Compare Competitive Rates & Quotes. www.business.com Government Grants Canada Info on Government Grants for New / Existing Business 1-888-922-2623 www.cnbd.ca $250K+ On Cruise Control Multiple Residual Revenue Streams $250K-500K+ at Home for Life! ccpnetsuccess.com NEWS | POLITICS | OPINIONS | LOCAL | SPORTS | ARTS & LIVING | GOING OUT GUIDE JOBS | CARS | REAL ESTATE | RENTALS | SHOPPING SEARCH: washingtonpost.com Web Search Archives7 of 8 11/24/2008 3:51 PM
  • 11. Militarys Social Science Grants Raise Alarm - washingtonpost.com http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/02/AR2008080201544_Comm... Sign In | Register Now Print Edition | Subscribe | PostPoints NEWS POLITICS OPINIONS LOCAL SPORTS ARTS & LIVING GOING OUT GUIDE JOBS CARS REAL ESTATE RENTALS SHOPPING SEARCH: washingtonpost.com Web | Search Archives washingtonpost.com > Nation > Science Your Comments On... Militarys Social Science Grants Raise Alarm Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates is calling on "eggheads" to help the military unravel questions about the recruitment of terrorists, the resurgence of the Taliban and messages delivered in militant Muslim religious schools. - By Maria Glod Comments VoiceofReason wrote: As a patriot, I offer this free analysis: Remove the sanity barriers. Refugee camps, with no amenities, no education, and most importantly, NO HOPE, foster insanity. Insanity breeds terrorists who have nothing else to lose and are easily exploited. Insane people are coerced to believe that suicide bombing becomes an honorable suicide. As long as policies exist that regenerate the same disenfranchisement of HOPE, people will be driven insane and evil will exploit them. Provide HOPE. If we are not a part of the solution, then we are a part of the problem. But alas, Audacity loves to create CHAOS, or so it seems. Please, journalists, fearlessly seek and publish TRUTH.1 of 8 11/24/2008 3:52 PM
  • 12. Militarys Social Science Grants Raise Alarm - washingtonpost.com http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/02/AR2008080201544_Comm... Report Abuse Discussion Policy Have we really sunk so low as to let these morons give their friends all this money? Report Abuse Discussion Policy "help the military unravel questions about the recruitment of terrorists". I seem to recall that anyone who asked those kinds of questions after 9/11 were attacked as the Blame America First" crowd. THEY did it simply because THEY are evil and THEY hate America...is what we were told. Once again the simplistic ideology of the neo-cons and Republican Flag wavers is exposed as false patriotism and sophomoric thinking. Why would any egghead Report Abuse Discussion Policy The Pentagons Social Science grants and grants to improve Psychological WARFARE are actually one and the same. Just two names to double the funding. Another example of Bush Double Speak. Report Abuse Discussion Policy "Thomas Mahnken, a deputy assistant defense secretary for policy planning, said Minerva is not about supporting Right. Again,why is it then Pentagon in charge of the Minerva Program? There is always, and in every country in the world, significant number of intellectuals and highly educated people who are more than willing to accept and participate in any and every government funded program. It largely appeals to many intellectuals, giving them sense of official appreciation and acknowledgment of their social importance. And folks in Department of Defense and Pentagon are smart enough (contrary to popular belief) to play that card. They are not going for short-term achievements aimed with Minervas stated goals, those are irrelevant comparing to legitimacy of any operation that can be additionally provided by "scientific research" of By all means, send through serious schooling military decision makers or listen carefully those who are already adequately educated, but asking and paying intellectuals to write and think about something that is already written and thought about is generally and simply a waste of Governmental funds (for some its no doubt a huge gain). I might be cynical, but are we really suppose to believe that US military operations around the world would be significantly considered and based upon serious research of social/cultural facts about any targeted country in question? Yeah right, military actions throughout history of mankind are especially known and documented for Report Abuse Discussion Policy2 of 8 11/24/2008 3:52 PM
  • 13. Militarys Social Science Grants Raise Alarm - washingtonpost.com http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/02/AR2008080201544_Comm... Jenny6 wrote: "Everyone inside and outside the country believes that all the United States wants is to start wars." ------- And they would be right too. Res ipsa loquitur. Let the facts speak for themselves. 8/3/2008 12:23:17 PM Recommend (4) Report Abuse Discussion Policy tharper1 wrote: I think that it’s easy to see the true color of the “Network of Concerned Anthropologists.” The self styled advocate for ethical anthropology said that they are worried that research topics could "contribute to creating more national and human insecurity by trafficking in the construction of . . . a connection between Islam and violence." Gee, someone might find a connection between Islam and violence—what a concept. Where have these idiot “academics” been since the first World Trade Center attack? Where have they been as Islamic terrorists have been bombing girl’s schools in Afghanistan, promoting suicide bombings in down-town city crowds, and hacking people’s heads off with dull knives? 8/3/2008 12:12:09 PM Recommend (2) Report Abuse Discussion Policy Tupac_Goldstein wrote: Whenever you see "Concerned ______ _____" you will know it to be a group of libs who oppose just about everything our government does or wants to do. Out. 8/3/2008 12:08:10 PM Recommend (3) Report Abuse Discussion Policy KarenLS wrote: I would be very surprised if this type of research is not already going on around the world. It seems a waste to "pay for it" when it is already there. It would make more sense to task the students already in military education programs to research and harness all that is already there. Easy. Gives them something targeted and useful to do too. 8/3/2008 10:35:29 AM Recommend (2) Report Abuse Discussion Policy yeochief wrote: We might as well forget trying to understand anyone outside of the United States. The media has poisoned the well throughout the world. Everyone inside and outside the country believes that all the United States wants is to start wars. Any effort to the contrary is viewed as a lie by the media in this country and as a result by the world in general. 8/3/2008 10:17:48 AM Recommend (2) Report Abuse Discussion Policy nrringlee wrote:3 of 8 11/24/2008 3:52 PM
  • 14. Militarys Social Science Grants Raise Alarm - washingtonpost.com http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/02/AR2008080201544_Comm... You cant tell the players without a scorecard. Let me just submit to you, that as a veteran of Central American and Southeast Asian counterinsurgency operations, I never once, in my career as a Marine, found another officer who could hold an intelligent conversation on the cultures in which we operated, much less discuss intelligently 20th Century marxism, Che and company and their influence on latin revolutionary movements, the Sandanistas. ...... and on and on. Sad. We generally recruit the wrong people to be commissioned officers in our armed forces. Were I to recruit for a counterinsurgency, if that is in fact what we are trying to do, I would be at the top liberal arts schools in this country, and I would be turning history and philosophy majors in to rifle platoon commanders. Critical thinking is the most lacking skill in our officer corps, and we can no longer function effectively in low intensity conflict using only technical advantage. The Luddites and technocrats must be replaced with critical thinkers, and you will not find those folks where we currently recruit. No amount of beltway banditry will compensate for that glaring hole in our officer corps. Just a thought. Semper Fidelis 8/3/2008 9:32:28 AM Recommend (8) Report Abuse Discussion Policy stasiew1 wrote: So by not wanting to help the military it seems the attitude of the "social scientists" is that it would be better for everyone involved if the military ignored a cultures traditions instead of being sensitive to those things that would be offensive. Yes, that makes sense! Its better to treat people rudely (intentionally or not) and then wonder why they dont like us. It gives the "social scientists" some thing to study after the fact and sanctimoniously point fingers at the brutish military for being insensitive. Go figure! 8/3/2008 8:58:28 AM Recommend (1) Report Abuse Discussion Policy waterbirds wrote: timscanlon wrote: I think David Vine is wrong. I believe that this effort will broaden the Pentagons worldview. I believe that is its purpose, and I think its ignorant to think the purpose of this work would be for conflict escalation." Anyone remember that any and all reports and information generated by scientists in the last decade has been edited to match the viewpoints of the Administration and the Pentagon? Dick Cheney personally deletes facts he disagrees with and the Pentagon was not and still is not totally open about what happened to Pat Tillman - and lies about the number of American soldiers electrocuted in showers at Army bases ... and all those "right wingers" moaning about patriotism and service wont mind having the wool pulled over their eyes- again - maybe we should study why the right thinks they are "right" and why they are so full of hate for fellow Americans ... 8/3/2008 8:43:36 AM Recommend (5) Report Abuse Discussion Policy vayankee1 wrote:4 of 8 11/24/2008 3:52 PM
  • 15. Militarys Social Science Grants Raise Alarm - washingtonpost.com http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/02/AR2008080201544_Comm... Theres a reason that academia is separate from the rest of the social organizations - it is called (the attempt at) onjectivity. Secretary Gates should know this, if he held a teaching position. I am amazed at the academics who suppport this proposal of Gates. A better way to go would be to send decision makers of all levels to various schools focused on the areas of concern (like the Ruusian Area Stidies program I took at American University). Then you can have a difference of opimion and debate within the military to determine the best couse in a particular situation. Trying to "can" answers for anyone makes no sense. 8/3/2008 8:43:34 AM Recommend (3) Report Abuse Discussion Policy dobermantmacleod wrote: Ill save you alot of money Gates. The solution to combat the resurgence of the Taliban, messages deliverd in miliatant Muslim religious schools, plus a way to dramatically increase intelligence tips, is to saturate the area with cheap wireless internet ready laptop computers. Of course, Pakistan and Afghanistan governments and religious officials will go nuts. Those kids (most) will quickly outgrow the stunted fundamentalist religious message, and become westernized. While the virtues of the laptops to education are obvious, the real effect will be to give those kids a window into the bigger world. Free satelite internet and cheap laptop computers, duh. 8/3/2008 8:18:05 AM Recommend (1) Report Abuse Discussion Policy tina150 wrote: Will they actually take the information that the Anthropoligist give them and not bend it to fit their purposes? That is the main question about this. There are tons of studies done on the subject and the information was there to warn the admin. before we even started the war in Iraq and yet the Pentagon dismissed the studies and egghead scientist bull. The Pentagon bases every decsion on military scenarios and not logical thought out studies. That has been the problem from the begining. Part of the problem in America is that History has been taken out of schools in favor of math and literature because of no child left behind and now we have generations of history illerate society. History gives us clues on the outcomes of every military invovement and yet this administration and the Pentagon tend to ignore the facts and information available and go for the big guns. 8/3/2008 7:27:39 AM Recommend (3) Report Abuse Discussion Policy saintpeterii wrote: as a person who has 9 years of post high school education in what is today called the most competitive category, taught college, wrote a book and does political and social satire, i believe i may be a latte drinking egg head and am not encouraged by the bureau-rats in the pentagon seeking to hire egg heads to help solve the tactical problems the pentagon has a large role in creating. the idea of being hired by the pentagon violates the principal of separation of brains and brawn and should be roundly rejected by my fellow egg heads, unless they need the money and are in a position where they can withstand the stultifying effects of the of dealing with a military bureaucracy. as for dealing with the terrorists it should be remembered that this country has most likely terrorized many more people than all the others combined albeit in the name of the american way of life. with respect as to what to do about the campaign against terrorism, misters drip & drop of the 6:01 news recently spoke about that5 of 8 11/24/2008 3:52 PM
  • 16. Militarys Social Science Grants Raise Alarm - washingtonpost.com http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/02/AR2008080201544_Comm... very issue. mister drip asked, "what can we do to stop the terrorists from coming to america" and mr drop replied, "we can stop going there and pay for our gas at the pump." in case it has escaped notice, the growth of the followers of ossama bin laden has followed the spread of the american military involvement in muslim lands. standing tall among the many problems with our current strategy is the historical fact that the only thing that has ever served to unite the people of the middle east is the incursions of western armies. the presence of western armies in muslim lands is upsetting patterns of relationship between the various groups living there and fostering a unification around the most dangerous segment in that area. unfortunately discussing on an intellectual level the policy of this country and the root causes and by implication the cure for terrorism will not effect policy. to understand policy one must follow the gold, who is profiting from this lavish expenditures by a country that is already overburdened with debt? so my opinion is that we dont need egg heads to study this problem we need accountants, but at least gates recognized we need more that the pentagon and while hiring some tame egg heads is an interesting proposal, it will represent just another financial burden to the tax payers and until someone can identify where the gold is going and convince those who profit to call off their dogs in congress, dont bite your finger nails while awaiting a favorable outcome of the current war. and while were at it, since the war ranges around the world, why not call it wwwIII, in deference to the chinese who have a proverb, "the beginning of wisdom is to call something by its proper mane. www.saintpeterii.com 8/3/2008 7:02:09 AM Recommend (3) Report Abuse Discussion Policy jassyjaz wrote: Why would you need to spend millions to understand you why people become terrorists? This strategy is the next logical step being used by the government to infiltrate and influence every major institution in this country. These strategies will continue until every major fabric of this society is under the control and influence of the military industrail complex. The most effective way is to create dependency. Recall how the media was controled during the Iraq invasion by training reported who were imbedded within military units. It is no different from what has happened to the major mews media in this country which are owned by corporations that depend on military and other government contracts for their bottom line. Similar strategies have been used to coop religious instutions as well by channelling social services through the church. If you want insights into how Saddam ruled just ask Donald Rumsfelt and the others who installed and suported him throughout the years. You dont need a "rocket scientist" to tell you why people turn to terrorism, its like asking why women become prostitutes. It is born out of desperation. Dwight D Eisenhower warned us about the military industrial complex. 8/3/2008 6:18:04 AM Recommend (8) Report Abuse Discussion Policy timscanlon wrote: I think David Vine is wrong. I believe that this effort will broaden the Pentagons worldview. I believe that is its purpose, and I think its ignorant to think the purpose of this work would be for conflict escalation. The fact is while the US military is the best in the world at generating kill ratios, its also a set of organizations who see it as a primary goal to avoid having to kill people when possible. This work would further that goal.6 of 8 11/24/2008 3:52 PM
  • 17. Militarys Social Science Grants Raise Alarm - washingtonpost.com http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/02/AR2008080201544_Comm... On the other hand, his research topic is a good one in an area that needs work. At least he seems to understand that the primary goal of this is to make less mistakes... 8/3/2008 5:44:52 AM Recommend (0) Report Abuse Discussion Policy ronljohnson wrote: <quote>We use to say in recent memory that the Pentagon was ordering and buying "gold plated weapons" that either jammed in battle, or performed more like arrows than gold.</quote> Blah blah blah. I remember all the whining back in 1990 about how Abrams tanks were going to choke in all the sand, and how the F117 bombers (dont let the F-designation fool you...) would get shot out of the sky like ducks on the opening day of hunting season. Of course, the weapons all worked well. 8/3/2008 5:40:37 AM Recommend (0) Report Abuse Discussion Policy << First Page < Previous Page 1 2 3 Next Page > Last Page >> E-Mail This Page © 2008 The Washington Post Company Ads by Google Small Business Grants Find Small Business Grants Compare Competitive Rates & Quotes. www.business.com Government Grants Canada Info on Government Grants for New / Existing Business 1-888-922-2623 www.cnbd.ca $250K+ On Cruise Control Multiple Residual Revenue Streams $250K-500K+ at Home for Life! ccpnetsuccess.com NEWS | POLITICS | OPINIONS | LOCAL | SPORTS | ARTS & LIVING | GOING OUT GUIDE7 of 8 11/24/2008 3:52 PM
  • 18. Militarys Social Science Grants Raise Alarm - washingtonpost.com http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/02/AR2008080201544_Comm... Sign In | Register Now Print Edition | Subscribe | PostPoints NEWS POLITICS OPINIONS LOCAL SPORTS ARTS & LIVING GOING OUT GUIDE JOBS CARS REAL ESTATE RENTALS SHOPPING SEARCH: washingtonpost.com Web | Search Archives washingtonpost.com > Nation > Science Your Comments On... Militarys Social Science Grants Raise Alarm Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates is calling on "eggheads" to help the military unravel questions about the recruitment of terrorists, the resurgence of the Taliban and messages delivered in militant Muslim religious schools. - By Maria Glod Comments timscanlon wrote: I think David Vine is wrong. I believe that this effort will broaden the Pentagons worldview. I believe that is its purpose, and I think its ignorant to think the purpose of this work would be for conflict escalation. The fact is while the US military is the best in the world at generating kill ratios, its also a set of organizations who see it as a primary goal to avoid having to kill people when possible. This work would further that goal. On the other hand, his research topic is a good one in an area that needs work. At least he seems to understand that the primary goal of this is to make less mistakes... 8/3/2008 5:44:52 AM Recommend (0) Report Abuse Discussion Policy ronljohnson wrote: <quote>We use to say in recent memory that the Pentagon was ordering and buying "gold plated weapons" that either jammed in battle, or performed more like arrows than gold.</quote> Blah blah blah. I remember all the whining back in 1990 about how Abrams tanks were going to choke in all the sand, and how the F117 bombers (dont let the F-designation fool you...) would get shot out of the sky like ducks on the opening day of hunting season.1 of 5 11/24/2008 3:53 PM
  • 19. Militarys Social Science Grants Raise Alarm - washingtonpost.com http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/02/AR2008080201544_Comm... Report Abuse Discussion Policy Being the "eyes and ears of American foreign policy" would be an honor. If you dont want to represent your nation, you dont have to. No one wants to force you to stay in the United States, if an association with it is so repulsive to you. Perhaps you should move somewhere else. What a bunch of demigods, feeling the bloated ego of tenure, but unwilling to admit the driving force in university selections today are grants, not scholarship. You can help your country understand what led up to September 11, or not. Thats up to you, but dont pretend like Robert Gates is trying to pull you to the dark side, or something- I dont think that is his intention at all. Personally, I would advise Gates to get some Muslim friends, and find out what its all about from them, and leave you egotistical eggheads to your ego driven quest to one-up each other, by getting your work published in "prestigious Report Abuse Discussion Policy I am an egghead. NOt only do we need to educate ourselves we need to provide safe facilities for Afghans to be educated. Both Afghan men and Afghan women. This will begin to eliminate the cause of war. Also clinics to provide birth control to women at the same sites. These site could be built like prisons... fortified and safe. What a Report Abuse Discussion Policy To the The Network of Concerned Anthropologists, and all other University professionals, there is a simple and effective answer to your specific issues: "DONT TAKE THE FRIGGING MONEY IF IT DIRTIES YOUR CONSCIENCE !!!! Stand-up for your beliefs and be men of character! Turn your back on the payola or shut the heck up! Put your principles ahead of your wallets. Dont be like the Law Schools that whined for years, and then in the end, caved at took the cash...hypocrites one and all. Gents, this is simple to figure out...its not even hard. Report Abuse Discussion Policy Heres good advice, free of charge. Read about other cultures, by all means, and note their weak points, but let us About terrorism amongst Muslims, the best way to fight it is via Islamic Teachings. So, read the Quran without misreading it. That is, dump whatever the Orientalists have written and go to Muslim scholars. Report Abuse Discussion Policy "by trafficking in the construction of . . . a connection between Islam and violence." " give us a break what kind of mind do you have if you object "by trafficking" to the facts of life and the world: a connection between Islam and2 of 5 11/24/2008 3:53 PM
  • 20. Militarys Social Science Grants Raise Alarm - washingtonpost.com http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/02/AR2008080201544_Comm... violence. Tell that to 3000 New Yorkers.etc etc etc. You liberals are so predictable, but thankfully, your world view will ensure that your kind will..... 8/3/2008 12:16:09 AM Recommend (1) Report Abuse Discussion Policy NikosRetsos wrote: It seems to me that the proposed research will be another Britney Spears-like "Oops, I did it again!" blunder. It will go to people connected to the Pentagon, like the military contractors in Iraq, or to people in the right-wing circles who are considered patriotic enough to really serve this country. And they will go around, collect all the euphemistic for the U.S. rhetoric, and conclude in their epilogue that the U.S. needs to increase its military hardware, and its intelligence gathering agencies from 16 to 100. And that will be nothing more than a rehash that has become the typical mantra of think tank experts, retired military experts looking for consultant fees, and columnists with square opinions that do not fit the round facts the 21st century U.S. foreign policy that has become a black hole of contradictions. We use to say in recent memory that the Pentagon was ordering and buying "gold plated weapons" that either jammed in battle, or performed more like arrows than gold. And if the Pentagon order "Research" on the U.S. problems and expect "Enlightenment" from it, it will just get "gold plated research" that wont be worth the paper it was printed on. This is not just the opinion of this writer; this is the Pentagons history. The Pentagon does not need another expert opinion research that will be nothing more than a rehash of its virtues. It needs a change in attitude, as well as it needs to respect the national pride, history, culture, aspirations and religion of other people. The U.S. needs an introspection into its failures, but not one produced by those who brought us into the need to have one. And we must start by taking down the most stupid banner we have used to justify our warmongering foreign policy: That people around the world hate us and attack us because we are a democracy, and that all the wars we are engaged in are to protect our freedom. But we dont fool anyone. People around the globe know that we fight wars to sustain our hegemonic preeminence. And unless we re-think our foreign policy, and change our direction toward global cooperation -as oppose to global bullying and aggression- research papers funded by the Pentagon will not solve our global problems. Nikos Retsos, retired academic 8/2/2008 11:59:53 PM Recommend (6) Report Abuse Discussion Policy robertjames1 wrote: I think that the US should study its own aggressive traits. It condemns other nations very readily and interferes in their affairs. When the US does this it regards its own actions as justified and yet if other nations interfere in the internal affairs of the US one will readily see politicians and the People being outraged. The US invaded Vietnam because it believed in the Domino Theory. It was wrong. Nevertheless it left that country in a mkess and dropped more bombs on Vietnam than were dropped during WWII. People lost their lives, their families, their minds and their limbs. The US walked away from the destruction that it caused and denied liability.3 of 5 11/24/2008 3:53 PM
  • 21. Militarys Social Science Grants Raise Alarm - washingtonpost.com http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/02/AR2008080201544_Comm... Similarly, it covertly engineered the overthrow of Salvador Allende after he was democratically elected President of Chile. Because he was a communist his election did not suit the US and so the CIA took action that resulted in a coup that led to a military junta which was followed by the deaths of thousands of Chileans. So I say to Mr Gates spend some of your dollars on being introspective because you just might find that the US is violent, vicious and irrational far too often. The US objected to Russia being in its backyard and yet Bush is noe putting the US in Russias backyard. Bush seems to think that Iran should be compliant while the US proceeds with its invasion of Iraq and that Iran should have the same agenda as the US or be accused of being a terrorist nation. Why doesnt the US ask itself what it does that is right and what is does that is wrong. This self-examination will advance the US and world peace. 8/2/2008 11:36:22 PM Recommend (5) Report Abuse Discussion Policy roberttate3 wrote: Business as usual folks. The goose stepping Pentagoons just want to corrupt yet one more branch of academic study. I suppose physics, chemistry and biology are not enough. The biggest source of terrorism in the world are the Pentagoons and their lapdogs who eagerly sign up to be cannon fodder after see a slick hollywood style commercial about "an army of one." 8/2/2008 11:36:17 PM Recommend (2) Report Abuse Discussion Policy magicman73 wrote: This is ridiculous. Were told by the left that we need to learn more about those who would be our enemies and yet when we try were told what were doing is evil. Why is it that the left can have their cake and eat it too but no one else can have either? 8/2/2008 11:12:57 PM Recommend (3) Report Abuse Discussion Policy 274627 wrote: They will undoubtedly hire socialogists from Regents of Libery, with degrees in coaching tennis. Seems to be the proper way to squander the funds provided. Right in line with the hiring of a Regents scholar to dispense hundreds of billions in Iraq. They dont need talent, since the original idea is to squander the funds. 8/2/2008 10:06:28 PM Recommend (0) Report Abuse Discussion Policy << First Page < Previous Page 1 2 3 E-Mail This Page © 2008 The Washington Post Company4 of 5 11/24/2008 3:53 PM

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