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David De Roure commented on The New e-Science (Bangalore Edition) Hi I agree that it isn’t just the publishing cycle that motivates scientists - there are incentive models which vary from discipline to discipline (and even within disciplines). This is why in myExperiment we focused on attribution, and the question as to whether scientists will (like teenagers) share enough to generate network effects is what I often describe as "the experiment that is myExperiment" (we have some confidence in this through Openwetware). The myExperiment project has social scientists on board for this very reason. We sometimes say "scientists collaborate to compete" and in some fields - like drug discovery - it’s "first past the post" that matters. We also have instances of groups being created which then share data within them, and others of individuals creating data which they then gradually expose to more people as needed, building the group around the data. Some communities have a strong notion of hierarchy. So, lots of variations. Meanwhile Openwetware demonstrates a degree of sharing which many find surprising, and shows how behaviour changes in the digital context. We believe the only way to find out is to try it! Good point about where to draw the line between electronic enabled science and everyday science - when does science become e-Science? Maybe this is like asking when does learning become e-learning. I am happy to raise this discussion and invite suggestions from the community! I wonder if the answer is in terms of technologies or practice? Yes, a definition might help to scope and focus the community. BTW Bringing e-science through e.g. Microsoft office tools is an area of current work in a number of groups, for example the Microsoft eChemistry project. The "Grid Problem" slide deliberately over-generalises by saying "Grid is...". More cautiously I could say "users perceive that in many deployed grid solutions..." I did this to attract attention from the Grid community to my message. Even though there are many good research efforts which go some way to addressing some of the issues I describe, it is not the case that these are deployed and available to users today. So (a) I very strongly encourage the excellent work of everyone who is working hard addressing these issues, and (b) I am suggesting that "building up" from the infrastructure to the users is one methodology, but looking at it from a user (and ecosystem) perspective too will help a lot - that’s my message. The Grid community does not traditionally take this approach, which is why I am provoking attention to it. I agree OGSA-DAI is a simple API for access to data, and I have seen good examples of it being used to "grid-enable" datasets. If people have good examples of mashups using it I would be interested to know about them. And we are in a mixed world - in one project I have seen grid being used to collect and processs data and then Web 2.0 technologies used for ease of access to it by scientists (the lifecycle again). I totally agree that there are very many different types of users. The Web 2.0 methodology is one way of tackling exactly this. One of the points of the talk is to say that Web 2.0 is actually more than a set of technologies - it’s a set of design patterns which transcend the immediate discussion and really say something about the relationship between technology and society as things become increasingly digital - these patterns underly the talk. I also agree with you that "participation" (both in content and development) is not unique to Web 2.0 - in fact Web 1.0 took off for exactly that reason (we didn’t all download xmosaic and access one server, we also downloaded httpd and became publishers - the network effect). Many thanks for your support for the vision and your constructive comments. -- Dave 3 years ago
David De Roure commented on The New e-Science (Bangalore Edition) The talk was videoed at the conference but I don’t know if it will be made available - however I’m going to put a text summary on www.semanticgrid.org/presentations (which is also where you can download the original PowerPoint 2007 version of these slides - they seem to have experienced one or two font problems somewhere in the pipeline through PowerPoint 97-2003 to slideshare...) 3 years ago