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Tweets from NCVO Big Society Evidence seminar October 2010

Tweets from NCVO Big Society Evidence seminar October 2010

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  • 1. Transcript for #evidencebigs - What the Hashtag?! http://wthashtag.com/transcript.php?page_id=19344&start_date=2010-... #evidencebigs wthashtag.com/evidencebigs Transcript from October 4, 2010 to October 12, 2010 All times are Pacific Time October 4, 2010 9:12 am commutiny: @karlwilding & team It was fab to meet you and agree #EvidenceBigS for yr NCVO Research seminar next week. Will there be Wifi? 9:27 am karlwilding: RT @commutiny: It was fab to meet you and agree #EvidenceBigS for seminar next week. Will there be Wifi? <yes, ncvo conf suite has wifi 12:27 pm elliebrodie: Getting geared up for next weeks seminar hosted at NCVO. Check out #EvidenceBigS for live reporting 5:34 pm karlwilding: RT @LKMco: Who will finance Big Society? Were going to do a session at #evidenceBigS on this very issue next week... 5:41 pm LKMco: ?@karlwilding: @LKMco: Who will finance Big Society? going to do a session at #evidenceBigS on this very issue next week" pls send me info! October 5, 2010 6:25 am veroniquejochum: RT @elliebrodie: Getting geared up for next weeks seminar hosted at NCVO. Check out #EvidenceBigS for live reporting 3:15 pm commutiny: Evidence gathered by the research community has a real role to play in informing and challenging emerging policy agendas. #EvidenceBigS 3:20 pm commutiny: You should also follow @elliebrodie for #EvidenceBigS October 6, 2010 7:14 am commutiny: Presenters, panellists and participants for #EvidenceBigS are #topnotch. They know how to make a compelling, credible case, thats for sure. 7:16 am tobyblume: @commutiny i was thinking the same - interesting list of people going. im looking forward to it! #EvidenceBigS #topnotch 7:31 am commutiny: Margaret Harris gave a great NCVO/Carnegie Seminar on Bridging Social Capital in 2008 http://ow.ly/2Pc1I Shes chairing #EvidenceBigS too! 7:35 am commutiny: RT @tobyblume: @commutiny i was thinking the same - interesting list of people going. im looking forward to it! #EvidenceBigS #topnotch 7:37 am karlwilding: RT @commutiny: M/ Harris great NCVO/Carnegie 2008 ppt on Bridging Social Capital http://ow.ly/2PbZS Shes charining #EvidenceBigS too! October 7, 2010 3:25 pm commutiny: Diana Leat, another #thirdsector #superstar is chairing the #funding session at #EvidenceBigS on Monday http://ow.ly/2PB5q 3:31 pm commutiny: Colin Rochester is presenting in the #Participation session at #EvidenceBigS Check out his latest work >> http://ow.ly/2PAO5 5:11 pm commutiny: Diana Leat, another #thirdsector #superstar is chairing the #funding session at #EvidenceBigS on Monday http://ow.ly/2PB5q 5:11 pm commutiny: Colin Rochester is presenting in the #Participation session at #EvidenceBigS Check out his latest work >> http://ow.ly/2PAO5 7:19 pm AdurVA: RT @commutiny: Colin Rochester is presenting in the #Participation session at #EvidenceBigS Check out his latest work >> http://ow.ly/2PAO5 October 8, 2010 8:04 am commutiny: RT @SchSocEnt: A small and clear presentation about the Big Society http://bit.ly /azqbDl by @karlwilding #EvidenceBigS 2:53 pm commutiny: @hackofalltrades Margaret Harris did some fantastic work on #SocialCapital for Carnegie Trust. (Also follow #EvidenceBigS on Monday)1 of 21 12/10/2010 11:48
  • 2. Transcript for #evidencebigs - What the Hashtag?! http://wthashtag.com/transcript.php?page_id=19344&start_date=2010-... 7:39 pm commutiny: Ive got a printout of the House of Lords debate on the #charity sector to read before #EvidenceBigS Tell me Im not alone. 7:56 pm commutiny: Surely I cant be the only #thirdsector practitioner to get excited by Nick Deakins triangle? Those academics are on our side #EvidenceBigS 8:00 pm AdurVA: RT @commutiny: Surely I cant be the only #thirdsector practitioner to get excited by Nick Deakins triangle? Those academics are on our side #EvidenceBigS 8:02 pm AdurVA: RT @commutiny: RT @SchSocEnt: A small and clear presentation about the Big Society http://bit.ly/azqbDl by @karlwilding #EvidenceBigS October 10, 2010 5:47 pm kairudat: @karlwilding Looking forward to NCVO #bigsociety evidence gathering tomorr. despite bad cold. Maybe somebody will have remedy? #EvidenceBigS 5:53 pm karlwilding: RT @kairudat: Looking forward to @NCVO #bigsociety evidence gathering tomorr. despite bad cold. Maybe s/body will have remedy? #EvidenceBigS 5:56 pm karlwilding: @kairudat I reckon you and @tobyblume are bringing bad colds to #EvidenceBigS tomorrow, if your tweets are anything to go by! 5:57 pm kairudat: #bigsociety and local government @NatWei http://bit.ly/axoGJ1 Looking forward to talk further tomorrow at NCVO #EvidenceBigS 6:09 pm PhilipColligan: RT @kairudat: #bigsociety and local government @NatWei http://bit.ly/axoGJ1 Looking forward to talk further tomorrow at NCVO #EvidenceBigS October 11, 2010 12:45 am AdurVA: RT @karlwilding: RT @kairudat: Looking forward to @NCVO #bigsociety evidence gathering tomorr. despite bad cold. Maybe s/body will have remedy? #EvidenceBigS 6:42 am commutiny: Today is all about the #facts presented by #topnotch #thirdsector academics as an #evidence base for #BigSociety policymakers #EvidenceBigS 6:45 am commutiny: RT @kairudat: #bigsociety and local government @NatWei http://bit.ly/axoGJ1 Looking forward to talk further tomorrow at NCVO #EvidenceBigS 6:50 am jenlouiseclark: RT @commutiny: Today is all about the #facts presented by #topnotch #thirdsector academics as an #evidence base for #BigSociety policymakers #EvidenceBigS 6:50 am commutiny: Themes for #EvidenceBigS today are #participation #ServiceDelivery & #funding with contributions from senior civil servants & academics 6:54 am commutiny: Impressive lineup @karlwilding & @NCVO research team have pulled together for #EvidenceBigS Ill be helping share the proceedings with yall 7:01 am tobyblume: RT @commutiny: Today is all about the #facts presented by #topnotch #thirdsector academics as an #evidence base for #BigSociety policymakers #EvidenceBigS 7:39 am commutiny: I wonder how often these senior academics gets together in small sessions these days? Have a feeling that #EvidenceBigS will be #productive 7:58 am sburall: Stuck on a train on my way in to chair #participation session of #evidencebigs. Looks like its going to be fascinating when I get there. 7:59 am sburall: RT @commutiny: Want the evidence on #BigSociety? Follow this list of panellists and participants for #EvidenceBigS http://ow.ly/2PC7a 7:59 am commutiny: Charity sector "provides the context within which the state and business function" - surely pertinent to #EvidenceBigS (Lords debate, 5/10) 8:01 am urbanforum: RT @commutiny: Want the evidence on #BigSociety? Follow this list of panellists and participants for #EvidenceBigS http://ow.ly/2PC7a 8:12 am commutiny: Anticipation is building in the seminar room, the geese are heckling already from the canal outside @NCVOs offices #evidencebigs 8:22 am NCVO: RT @commutiny: Impressive lineup @karlwilding & @NCVO research team have pulled together for #EvidenceBigS Ill be helping share the proceedings with yall 8:25 am tonybovaird: Looks like format for todays TSRC event at NCVO is more Select Committeds than Select Committees! #EvidenceBigS 8:25 am commutiny: RT @tonybovaird: Looks like format for todays TSRC event at NCVO is more Select Committeds than Select Committees! #evidencebigs2 of 21 12/10/2010 11:48
  • 3. Transcript for #evidencebigs - What the Hashtag?! http://wthashtag.com/transcript.php?page_id=19344&start_date=2010-... 8:25 am davidpidsley: RT @commutiny: Today is all about the #facts presented by #topnotch #thirdsector academics as an #evidence base for #BigSociety policymakers #EvidenceBigS 8:41 am commutiny: Diana Leat is all smiles this morning http://ow.ly/2RvW2 #evidencebigs 8:51 am commutiny: Office for Civil Society replaces Office of the Third Sector << theyre speaking today at #EvidenceBigS http://ow.ly/2Rw2i 8:55 am ncvochlo: Interested in the #bigsociety - follow #NCVO seminar on the evidence base through the hashtag #EvidenceBigS 9:04 am commutiny: Ben Kernigan, Deputy CEO of @NCVO kicks off #EvidenceBigS explaining the rationale - it is important for #thirdsector to inform policymakers 9:04 am tobyblume: Settling in for #EvidenceBigS session @ncvo @karlwilding kicking off proceedings 9:05 am elliebrodie: listening to NCVOs deputy CEO introduce a fun-packed day about the Big Society here at NCVO. Follow us today at #EvidenceBigS 9:05 am commutiny: TSRC - Third Sector Research Centre is joint sponsor of the seminar today http://ow.ly/2Rwir #evidencebigs 9:06 am tonybovaird: Karl Wilding (NCVO) Chatham House rule at seminar today - recording and tweeting, but no attributions! #EvidenceBigS 9:07 am commutiny: If you want to ask any questions, Ill feed them into the proceedings #evidencebigs 9:08 am commutiny: David Prout, Director General - Communities (CLG) http://ow.ly/2RvLa opens by presenting the policy background #evidencebigs 9:08 am elliebrodie: Director General from CLG is giving us a bit of policy background on the Big Society...#evidenceBigS 9:08 am commutiny: @tonybovaird Presenters & Pannelists can be named as sessions are being recorded - questions & debate will not be attributed #evidencebigs 9:09 am ncvochlo: @karlwilding setting out agenda for #Ncvo #evidencebigs hopes we can move beyond discussion about what is #bigsociety to how we deliver it 9:10 am commutiny: Mr Prout reminds us that David Camerons great passion is creating the #BigSociety (he told us 19th July & remains committed) #evidencebigs 9:11 am Emma_NCVO: RT @ncvochlo: @karlwilding setting out agenda for #Ncvo #evidencebigs hopes we can move beyond discussion about what is #bigsociety to how we deliver it 9:11 am ncvochlo: RT @commutiny: If you want to ask any questions, Ill feed them into the proceedings #evidencebigs 9:12 am tobyblume: David Prout context: £1 of every £8 spent in uk economy is national debt #evidencebigs 9:13 am elliebrodie: Prout reminds us of the scale of the economic problem: for every £8 spent, £1 is borrowed #evidenceBigS 9:14 am NCVO: Follow #evidencebigs for real-time updates from our #bigsociety seminar 9:15 am elliebrodie: publications relating to Big Sock include Total Politics Labours Command State #evidenceBigS 9:15 am karlwilding: If youve got questions for researchers and policy makers on #bigsociety, well try and help you today. just use #evidencebigs 9:15 am sburall: #bigsociety is much more than that section in the coalition agreement #evidencebigs 9:16 am ncvochlo: David Prout setting out policy context for #bigsociety PM personal commitment, govt borrowing, coalition politics #evidencebigs 9:17 am NCVOWorkforce: RT @NCVO: Follow #evidencebigs for real-time updates from our #bigsociety seminar 9:18 am commutiny: #BigSociety is about a huge culture change where people feel #free and #powerful enough to help themselves & their communities #evidencebigs 9:18 am tonybovaird: David Prout: Big Society matched by Big Citizens, who feel both free & powerful enough to help themselves & their communities #EvidenceBigS 9:18 am tobyblume: Oops, just been singled out by david prout for being unlikely to agree with him.... #evidencebigs #whatdidido 9:19 am karlwilding: Sherringham (?) in Norfolk - local referendum on getting a supermarket - example of decision making in the #bigsociety? #evidenceBigS3 of 21 12/10/2010 11:48
  • 4. Transcript for #evidencebigs - What the Hashtag?! http://wthashtag.com/transcript.php?page_id=19344&start_date=2010-... 9:19 am sburall: planning ref in sherringham, 50% voted, abt 15% for tesco, 5 fewer for waitrose & 500 for no supermarket. does planning work? #evidencebigs 9:19 am ncvochlo: The tippity tap of all the people in the room with ipads is making me green with envy! #evidencebigs 9:19 am tobyblume: Useful highlighting of planning system as evidence of need for major change to respond more to citizen aspirations #evidencebigs 9:19 am tonybovaird: David Prout: Referendum in Sheringham, Norfolk, showed local people want supermarket, tho council blocked it for many years - #EvidenceBigS 9:20 am Rani_kuk: RT @tobyblume: Oops, just been singled out by david prout for being unlikely to agree with him.... #evidencebigs #whatdidido <oh deary :) 9:20 am karlwilding: #evidenceBigS - redefining fairness is a central feature of government policy at the moment 9:20 am commutiny: #BigSociety is about changing balance of power toward Big Citizens, based on values of #freedom, #fairness & #responsibility #evidencebigs 9:20 am demsoc: Perhaps we need a #realbigsoc to go alongside what the Government are pushing #EvidenceBigS 9:20 am sburall: Cameroon- 3 principles under lie #bigsociety, philanthropic action, community action, govt action (pub service reform) #evidencebigs 9:21 am elliebrodie: BigSoc=changing balance of power e.g. making planning system more responsive to what people want #evidenceBigS 9:21 am sburall: 3 ways to deliver #bigsociety, decentralistaion, transparency, providing funding #evidencebigs 9:21 am karlwilding: #evidenceBigS David Prout has an excellent slide that defines #bigsociety and how we deliver it - a must see, well get a copy 9:22 am commutiny: RT @tonybovaird: David Prout: Referendum in Sheringham, Norfolk, showed local people want supermarket, tho council blocked it for many years - #EvidenceBigS 9:22 am sburall: Prout provides a grid - must change happen everywhere, vs does govt specify approach or no. So four quadrants. #evidencebigs 9:22 am tobyblume: Key Qs: must change happen everywhere? And will gov specify how change should happen? #evidencebigs 9:22 am paulhenderson: @karlwilding http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-11453994 #evidenceBigS 9:22 am sburall: changes that decentralise, ie elected police commissioners, must happen and everywhere = a universal change. #evidencebigs 9:23 am commutiny: @karlwilding Yes please. Very good summary slide from David Prout #EvidenceBigS 9:23 am sburall: bespoke change - doesnt have to happen everywhere, but govt must specify how - eg new powers for London Mayor #evidencebigs 9:24 am elliebrodie: Dont see guiding principles of decentralisation as one size fits all says Proust - #evidenceBigS 9:24 am commutiny: RT @paulhenderson: @karlwilding http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk- 11453994 #evidencebigs 9:24 am sburall: Rights change - doesnt have to happen everywhere and centre doesnt specify eg right to develop a new school or right to buy #evidencebigs 9:24 am karlwilding: #evidenceBigS approach to decentralisation will be universal, permissive, bespoke and based on rights (eg right to est free school) 9:24 am tobyblume: Accountability universal and prescriptive, LEPs permissive, bespoke, mayors and rights not everywhere and not prescriptive #evidencebigs 9:24 am karlwilding: RT @paulhenderson: @karlwilding http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk- 11453994 #evidenceBigS 9:25 am commutiny: 3 principles underpin #bigsociety, philanthropic action, community action, govt action (pub service reform) (via @sburall) #evidencebigs 9:25 am elliebrodie: RIghts agenda coming through strong in #BigSociety discourse says CLGs David Proust #evidenceBigS 9:25 am urbanforum: RT @sburall: 3 ways to deliver #bigsociety, decentralistaion, transparency, providing funding #evidencebigs 9:26 am sburall: so what is the role for the VCS? #evidencebigs4 of 21 12/10/2010 11:48
  • 5. Transcript for #evidencebigs - What the Hashtag?! http://wthashtag.com/transcript.php?page_id=19344&start_date=2010-... 9:26 am ivolunteeruk: RT @commutiny: Want the evidence on #BigSociety? Follow this list of panellists and participants for #EvidenceBigS http://ow.ly/2PC7a 9:26 am elliebrodie: CLG is doing work on dismantling barriers to community action reports its Director General #evidenceBigS 9:27 am sburall: Govt has strong commitment tot greater diversity of supply, and decent and localism, changing balance of power #evidencebigs 9:27 am sburall: and reduced spending... #evidencebigs 9:27 am commutiny: RT @sburall: Govt has strong commitment tot greater diversity of supply, and decent and localism, changing balance of power #evidencebigs 9:28 am commutiny: We need to get under all this talk of commitment, decentralisation & redistribution of power. We have to overtake govt on this #evidencebigs 9:30 am commutiny: Response to "twas ever thus" critique of #BigSociety? Apparently this is an opportunity to do stuff weve always wanted to do #evidencebigs 9:31 am CLESKTP: great stuff emanating from #evidencebigs thanks tweeps... 9:31 am tobyblume: absolutely true that lots of people already doing #bigsociety importance of lessening grip from Whitehall cant b undrstmatd #evidencebigs 9:31 am sburall: Prout; ironically there must be a structure - ironically - to help move people from here to where govt wants them #evidencebigs 9:32 am commutiny: I think we need to tease out where culture change needs to be, how #charities support that, e.g. helping govt to decentralise #evidencebigs 9:32 am redcci: RT @urbanforum: RT @sburall: 3 ways to deliver #bigsociety, decentralistaion, transparency, providing funding #evidencebigs 9:33 am tobyblume: Q: Locally responsive services cost more...no economy of scale, what do gov want? #evidencebigs 9:33 am hackofalltrades: RT @commutiny: I think we need to tease out where culture change needs to be, how #charities support that, e.g. helping govt to decentralise #evidencebigs 9:33 am commutiny: Slides & info will be publiished soon too! @CLESKTP Follow this list of panellists and participants for #EvidenceBigS http://ow.ly/2RwN0 9:33 am commutiny: RT @tobyblume: Q: Locally responsive services cost more...no economy of scale, what do gov want? #evidencebigs 9:34 am sburall: challenge for big infrastructure orgs, do you centralise and get economies of scale vs localise to get more bespoke services #evidencebigs 9:34 am sburall: but this latter is more expensive #evidencebigs 9:35 am tobyblume: Q is #bigsociety different to previous gov eg take part? A: who knows? #evidencebigs 9:35 am sburall: my qu govt has a commitment to decent, but also is dictating some things that must change; itt is also dictating changes so... #evidencebigs 9:35 am davidwilcox: RT @demsoc: Perhaps we need a #realbigsoc to go alongside what the Government are pushing #EvidenceBigS 9:35 am elliebrodie: Conservative way of thinking about the world has been updated and put into words of bigsociety #evidenceBigS 9:36 am commutiny: @sburall I think thats up to us (VCS) to define - and demonstrate! Need to just get on with providing evidence i.e. doing #evidencebigs 9:36 am sburall: ....so... how is govt judging what changes that must happen, and how ensure not work against decent #evidencebigs 9:37 am sburall: ans: paradox that to get decent my need to dictate - eg getting accountability for police will only happen if dictated #evidencebigs 9:37 am tobyblume: @davidwilcox @demsoc but not sure gov ARE pushing anything! If so what are implications? #evidencebigs 9:37 am commutiny: RT @tobyblume: @davidwilcox @demsoc but not sure gov ARE pushing anything! If so what are implications? #evidencebigs 9:38 am ChrisPenberthy: RT @ivolunteeruk: RT @commutiny: Want the evidence on #BigSociety? Follow this list of panellists and participants for #EvidenceBigS http://ow.ly/2PC7a 9:39 am commutiny: @sburall Govts job is to make law & enforce it. Personally I want accountability for agents of the state to be dictated #evidencebigs 9:39 am sockbook: RT @commutiny: RT @tobyblume: @davidwilcox @demsoc but not sure gov ARE pushing anything! If so what are implications? #evidencebigs5 of 21 12/10/2010 11:48
  • 6. Transcript for #evidencebigs - What the Hashtag?! http://wthashtag.com/transcript.php?page_id=19344&start_date=2010-... 9:39 am elliebrodie: Greg Clark will communicate clear thinking about decentralisation says Proust #evidenceBigS 9:40 am commutiny: RT @elliebrodie: Greg Clark will communicate clear thinking about decentralisation says Proust #evidencebigs 9:40 am tobyblume: Q: where/what is the role for #localgov in #bigsociety ? Didnt get a chance to ask :( #evidencebigs 9:41 am commutiny: << Greg Clark is Member of Parliament for Tunbridge Wells http://ow.ly/2RwVq #evidencebigs 9:41 am elliebrodie: Simon from #Involve introducing session on participation at #evidenceBigS 9:42 am TimGodden: #evidencebigs is the Sheringham ref. a good example? Is it not just a case of individuals rather than community action? 9:42 am sockbook: @commutiny @tobyblume @davidwilcox @demsoc #evidencebigs #bigsociety = everyones an officer of the state now! Fascism! Yay! 9:43 am karlwilding: #evidenceBigS Prout: govt has a very strong commitment to: the #bigsociety; diversity of supply; localism; new balance of power; cuttl 9:43 am elliebrodie: easy to be cynical about #BigSociety but we need to step beyond this to see how to make it work says Simon Burrell #evidenceBigS 9:44 am commutiny: @sburrall Chairs the #participation session http://ow.ly/2RwXq and introduces Colin Rochester http://ow.ly/2RwZ5 #evidencebigs 9:44 am elliebrodie: Colin Rochester uses volunteering interchangably with participation (so campaigning, political action, and more) #evidenceBigS 9:45 am commutiny: RT @elliebrodie: Colin Rochester uses #volunteering interchangably with #participation (so campaigning, political action, etc) #evidencebigs 9:45 am elliebrodie: Why do people volunteer? See Clary and Snyder - classic psychological text that helps to explain #evidenceBigS 9:47 am elliebrodie: Another explanation for participation from social movements literature-because people like joining groups (see Clandermas) #evidenceBigS 9:48 am commutiny: @elliebrodie The Functional Approach to Volunteers? Motivation (Clary & Snyder) http://ow.ly/2Rx33 #evidencebigs 9:49 am karlwilding: @TimGodden not sure abut your Q Tim; dont know enough yet. Any other tweeps? #evidencebigS 9:49 am elliebrodie: Another explanation (for why people volunteer) is human resources-education, religion, culture (e.g. its normal in the US) #evidenceBigS 9:50 am karlwilding: RT @GdnVoluntary: @karlwilding Would be very interested in that! <well make available all todays materials in a package #evidenceBigS 9:50 am commutiny: Youll get copies of the presentations later, so Im finding some of the #evidence & backup work for you #evidencebigs 9:51 am ncvochlo: #bigsociety is a deep run political philosophy that taps into historical strands of conservative thinking #evidencebigs 9:51 am elliebrodie: Rochester says we can also look to circumstance: are people given opportunities to volunteer? Are there institutional barriers #evidenceBigS 9:52 am elliebrodie: THE most important deciding factor about why people volunteer is if someone asks them says Colin Rochester #evidenceBigS 9:52 am commutiny: Colin Rochester also references the work of Bert Klandermans, e.g. The demand and supply of #participation http://ow.ly/2Rx7N #evidencebigs 9:53 am katherinehudson: sorry to be missing out on #evidenceBigS 9:53 am karlwilding: #evidenceBigS if you want people to get involved, you have to ask them 9:54 am elliebrodie: Looking forward to discussing implication for #BigSociety about people getting involved because they are asked #evidenceBigS 9:55 am commutiny: Home Office "Older Volunteers" programme is a good example of where govt asked people to #participate http://ow.ly/2Rxb0 #evidencebigs 9:55 am karlwilding: #evidenceBigS now listening to John Mohaan of Third Sector Research Centre on stats and volunteering 9:55 am elliebrodie: Moving swiftly on to John Mohan from TSRC - hopefully hell tell us some interesting stats - he often does #evidenceBigS 9:56 am commutiny: Next up on #participation Professor John Mohan, Deputy Director, Third Sector Research Centre http://ow.ly/2RvOO #evidencebigs6 of 21 12/10/2010 11:48
  • 7. Transcript for #evidencebigs - What the Hashtag?! http://wthashtag.com/transcript.php?page_id=19344&start_date=2010-... 9:56 am TimGodden: @karlwilding #evidencebigs community decision making is not new and is practised in by most RCC related projects that inc #localgov 9:57 am karlwilding: #evidenceBigS stats on volunteering heavily influenced by how the questions are asked 9:57 am karlwilding: RT @TimGodden: #evidencebigs community decision making is not new and is practised in by most RCC related projects that inc #localgov 9:57 am commutiny: RT @karlwilding: #evidenceBigS stats on volunteering heavily influenced by how the questions are asked #evidencebigs 9:58 am elliebrodie: Its difficult to shift the stats on volunteering says Mohan (i.e. volunteering levels remain pretty stable over time) #evidenceBigS 9:58 am karlwilding: #evidenceBigS long run stability in volunteering rates across all surveys suggests change might be difficult 9:59 am davidwilcox: Great coverage of NCVO #bigsociety research seminar #evidencebigs by @commutiny @karlwilding @tobyblume @sburall et al - tx cu later 9:59 am ChrisPenberthy: RT @karlwilding: #evidenceBigS long run stability in volunteering rates across all surveys suggests change might be difficult 10:00 am ChrisPenberthy: RT @karlwilding: #evidenceBigS stats on volunteering heavily influenced by how the questions are asked 10:00 am karlwilding: #evidenceBigS John Mohan describing the civic core: peopl who give time and money and participate in civic organisations 10:00 am EVDCSW: RT @karlwilding: #evidenceBigS stats on volunteering heavily influenced by how the questions are asked 10:00 am EVDCSW: RT @karlwilding: #evidenceBigS long run stability in volunteering rates across all surveys suggests change might be difficult 10:01 am RedTweeters: RT @karlwilding: #evidenceBigS stats on volunteering heavily influenced by how the questions are asked 10:02 am karlwilding: #evidenceBigS 8% of the population are the civic core: we are heavily reliant on these individuals as a society, big or otherwise 10:03 am ChrisPenberthy: RT @karlwilding: #evidenceBigS 8% of the population are the civic core: we are heavily reliant on these individuals as a society, big or otherwise 10:03 am commutiny: Clear link between education attainment and civic participation (higher>more) #evidencebigs 10:03 am EVDCSW: RT @karlwilding: #evidenceBigS 8% of the population are the civic core: we are heavily reliant on these individuals as a society, big or otherwise 10:03 am RedTweeters: RT @karlwilding: #evidenceBigS 8% of the population are the civic core: we are heavily reliant on these individuals as a society, big or otherwise 10:03 am karlwilding: #evidenceBigS the civic core are very unevenly distributed; they are concentrated in prosperous areas 10:04 am karlwilding: RT @commutiny: Clear link between education attainment and civic participation (higher>more) #evidencebigs 10:04 am elliebrodie: Place matters in how civically engaged people are, says Mohan: most prosperous areas have most participation #evidenceBigS 10:04 am Emma_NCVO: Interesting stuff re the make-up of the civic core. Be interesting to know how many of people in the room are one of them. #evidencebigs 10:05 am Emma_NCVO: RT @karlwilding: #evidenceBigS 8% of the population are the civic core: we are heavily reliant on these individuals as a society, big or otherwise 10:06 am commutiny: @Emma_NCVO We were called "Select Committeds" earlier by @tonybovaird :D #evidencebigs 10:06 am hackofalltrades: RT @karlwilding: #evidenceBigS 8% of the population are the civic core: we are heavily reliant on these individuals as a society, big or otherwise 10:07 am ivolunteeruk: RT @karlwilding: #evidenceBigS 8% of population are civic core: we are heavily reliant on these individuals as a society, big or otherwise 10:08 am commutiny: Q: What influence does family history have on membership in civic core? (I wonder if this is as well researched in UK as US) #evidencebigs 10:08 am ncvochlo: RT @davidwilcox: Great coverage of NCVO #bigsociety research seminar #evidencebigs by @commutiny @karlwilding @tobyblume @sburall et al - tx cu later 10:08 am gmbmenetwork: RT @NCVO: Follow #evidencebigs for real-time updates from our #bigsociety seminar7 of 21 12/10/2010 11:48
  • 8. Transcript for #evidencebigs - What the Hashtag?! http://wthashtag.com/transcript.php?page_id=19344&start_date=2010-... 10:09 am ncvochlo: RT @karlwilding: #evidenceBigS 8% of the population are the civic core: we are heavily reliant on these individuals as a society, big or otherwise 10:09 am elliebrodie: Info about student volunteering shows that if undergrads volunteers at school they are more likely to as a student #evidenceBigS 10:10 am commutiny: @spotsoftimeuk @elliebrodie Take care with the 8% stat - its being presented as the civic core I think, not non-participants #evidencebigs 10:11 am commutiny: There isnt much evidence about transition in and out of volunteering for those who start at a young age #evidencebigs 10:11 am elliebrodie: Rochester cites the Power Inquiry from 2006 check http://bit.ly/bLZqtd for more #evidenceBigS 10:12 am karlwilding: #evidenceBigS If participation has a social gradient, should we be worried that the participation gap will increase inequality? 10:13 am elliebrodie: John Mohan references the project Im working on - woo hoo! See Pathways through Participation http://bit.ly/ahPOaq #evidenceBigS 10:13 am JessyFarr: RT @karlwilding: #evidenceBigS long run stability in volunteering rates across all surveys suggests change might be difficult 10:13 am commutiny: RT @karlwilding: #evidenceBigS If participation has a social gradient, should we be worried that the participation gap will increase inequality? 10:14 am Emma_NCVO: How do we make the big in Big Society? Good question. #evidencebigs 10:15 am commutiny: Some background on "what creates and sustains active citizenship" here > Pathways Through #Participation http://ow.ly/2RxvJ #evidencebigs 10:15 am ncvochlo: Rohan Silva from No 10 very clear last week - if #bigsociety only delivers for middle class sharp elbowed it will have failed #evidencebigs 10:15 am TimGodden: RT @karlwilding: RT @commutiny: Clear link between education attainment and civic participation (higher>more) #evidencebigs 10:16 am elliebrodie: Bringing more people into volunteering will demand resources and infrastructure says Mohan from TSRC #evidenceBigS 10:16 am TimGodden: RT @karlwilding: #evidenceBigS If participation has a social gradient, should we be worried that the participation gap will increase inequality? 10:16 am karlwilding: Heres John Mohans article for The Guardian on the civic core: http://bit.ly/d1oyTk #evidencebigS #bigsociety 10:16 am commutiny: Collective activities dont show up on the #Charity deserts map, more research is needed #evidencebigs 10:17 am karlwilding: #evidencebigS we are now discussing the difference between civil and civic participation, a really important discussion for me 10:17 am steve4good: RT @davidwilcox: Great coverage of NCVO #bigsociety research seminar #evidencebigs by @commutiny @karlwilding @tobyblume @sburall et al - tx cu later 10:19 am commutiny: Charities might not be the heart of the #BigSociety once we realise how much less formal #participation & #volunteering exists #evidencebigs 10:19 am elliebrodie: Focus on neighbourhood groups from the Govt. How can we measure this type of participation? Its tough says Mohan #evidenceBigS 10:20 am karlwilding: #evidencebigS one of the great things about the @NCVO conf suite is being heckled by a cormorant from its nest outside 10:20 am commutiny: We lack a sophisticated understanding of how informal groups & movements work. Will micromapping and #hyperlocal help? #evidencebigs 10:21 am TargetWellbeing: RT @Emma_NCVO: How do we make the big in Big Society? Good question. #evidencebigs 10:21 am elliebrodie: TSRC doing mico mapping to show neighbourhood groups and informal activity. Helping reveal different forms of volunteering #evidenceBigS 10:21 am CLESKTP: We lack a sophisticated understanding of how informal groups & movements work. Will micromapping and #hyperlocal help? #evidencebigs >SNA!! 10:21 am commutiny: Will micromapping type evidence be giving more examples of what we already know exists, or revealing additional volunteering? #evidencebigs 10:23 am commutiny: Q: Is #BigSociety concerned with promoting neighbourliness or ensuring people can access #help (informally or formally) #evidencebigs 10:23 am karlwilding: RT @commutiny We lack sophisticated u/standing of how informal groups & movements work. Will micromapping + #hyperlocal help? #evidencebigs8 of 21 12/10/2010 11:48
  • 9. Transcript for #evidencebigs - What the Hashtag?! http://wthashtag.com/transcript.php?page_id=19344&start_date=2010-... 10:24 am hackofalltrades: RT @commutiny: Q: Is #BigSociety concerned with promoting neighbourliness or ensuring people can access #help (informally or formally) #evidencebigs 10:25 am elliebrodie: Dont have much survey data on who receives in cash or in kind - we need to know more says Mohan #evidenceBigS 10:25 am hackofalltrades: RT @commutiny: We lack a sophisticated understanding of how informal groups & movements work. Will micromapping and #hyperlocal help? #evidencebigs 10:25 am ncvochlo: wondered how long it would take for N word to crop up at #evidencebigs session (nudge) Would like to explore further role in #bigsociety.. 10:25 am karlwilding: #evidencebigs one of the potential barriers for policy development is that we dont know enough about who benefits from vol action and VCOs 10:25 am elliebrodie: RT @commutiny: Q: Is #BigSociety concerned with promoting neighbourliness or ensuring people can access #help (informally or formally) #evidencebigs 10:26 am commutiny: If youre interested in the policy environment for #thirdsector, read Prof Alcock (free annual sub) http://ow.ly/2Rwsb #evidencebigs 10:26 am hackofalltrades: @karlwilding Youre doing quite well if a cormorant is the only 1 heckling at a #BigSociety event ;-) #EvidenceBigS 10:26 am karlwilding: #evidencebigs bingo! Weve had the first official comment that we need more research :-) 10:27 am ncvochlo: RT @karlwilding: Heres John Mohans article for The Guardian on the civic core: http://bit.ly/d1oyTk #evidencebigS #bigsociety > v useful 10:27 am PostFilm: Though-provoking paper on the below the radar civil society (vcs) http://bit.ly /d5N0be (Third Sector Research) #evidencebigs #bigsociety 10:27 am elliebrodie: How does (voluntary) campaigning fit into the #BigSociety? Interesting question from the floor at #evidenceBigS 10:28 am karlwilding: #evidencebigs How much of what we have learnt already about participation is useful if govt policy is going to change the country forever? 10:28 am commutiny: RT @PostFilm: Though-provoking paper on the below the radar civil society (vcs) http://bit.ly/d5N0be (Third Sector Research) #evidencebigs #bigsociety 10:29 am elliebrodie: Political parties and Trade Unions as routs into volunteering? Another good Q. from the floor at #evidenceBigS 10:31 am karlwilding: #evidencebigs Just heard a very good point that collecting member subs by DD instead of face to face changes the relationship with members 10:33 am karlwilding: #evidencebigs we need evidence on what motivates volunteers in places where volunteering isnt the culture 10:33 am elliebrodie: Rochester says membership has changed (more digital, less personal) so political parties and TUs as way in isnt as likely now #evidenceBigS 10:33 am podnosh: Rt @karlwilding: #evidencebigs we need evidence on what motivates volunteers in places where volunteering isnt the culture 10:34 am elliebrodie: Important words from todays seminar include behaviour change and nudge...are other people thinking Thaler & Sunstein? #evidenceBigS 10:35 am commutiny: Historical #evidence on the third sector and volunteering, with a focus on UK health care http://ow.ly/2RxMl #evidencebigs 10:35 am karlwilding: #evidencebigs reference to work by IPEG on nudges and active citizenship: http://www.civicbehaviour.org.uk/ 10:36 am prbass: Enjoying the #evidencebigs stream. Trying to collate some data on membership trends today, but the UK data archive "computer says no". 10:37 am commutiny: @VolunteeringEng is not keen on the idea of "Charity deserts" http://ow.ly/2RxOp good #research & #evidence #evidencebigs 10:39 am davidpidsley: RT @karlwilding: RT @commutiny We lack sophisticated u/standing of how informal groups & movements work. Will micromapping + #hyperlocal help? #evidencebigs 10:41 am elric_vh: RT @karlwilding: #evidencebigs we need evidence on what motivates volunteers in places where volunteering isnt the culture 10:43 am elric_vh: RT @PostFilm: Though-provoking paper on the below the radar civil society (vcs) http://bit.ly/d5N0be (Third Sector Research) #evidencebigs #bigsociety 10:47 am davidpidsley: @Webiversity could #ccldn ppl scrape #charity #opendata @ScraperWiki ? e.g. http://davidpidsley.com/charity-financial-standard #EvidenceBigS 10:47 am commutiny: @elliebrodie I didnt pick up on nudge as a keyword, is there an evidence base for policy? How easy is it to design a nudge? #evidencebigs9 of 21 12/10/2010 11:48
  • 10. Transcript for #evidencebigs - What the Hashtag?! http://wthashtag.com/transcript.php?page_id=19344&start_date=2010-... 10:49 am danielratchford: Sorry to be missing #evidencebigs this morning. Sounds like an interesting debate on #BigSociety, #behaviourchange, and role of #localgov 10:50 am commutiny: RT @karlwilding: #evidencebigs reference to work by IPEG on nudges and active citizenship: http://www.civicbehaviour.org.uk/ 10:50 am SchSocEnt: RT @karlwilding: Heres John Mohans article for The Guardian on the civic core: http://bit.ly/d1oyTk #evidencebigS #bigsociety 10:54 am commutiny: Fergus Lyon of TSRC and @tonybovaird now presenting on #ServiceDelivery, chaired by Margaret Harris #evidencebigs 10:55 am tobyblume: RT @karlwilding: #evidencebigs reference to work by IPEG on nudges and active citizenship: http://www.civicbehaviour.org.uk/ 10:56 am sburall: @tonybovaird up now at #evidencebigs. very interesting flow chart of relationship between citizens and public services; focusing on outcomes 10:57 am karlwilding: #evidencebigS Tony Bovaird: big society is not new, society is not broken. But this activity is not seen as public service 10:59 am sburall: and public services at local level finding it hard to engage with community....#evidencebigs 10:59 am commutiny: While lessons can be learned, there are times when the self-help and self-organising models are not appropriate. #evidencebigs 11:00 am elliebrodie: @commutiny Osborne co-authored an article with Nudges Thaler, back in January http://bit.ly/cvHDlG #evidenceBigS http://bit.ly/cvHDlG 11:00 am sburall: @tonyboviard identifies different types of co-production 7 types inc planning, design, commisioning, funding... slide gone! #evidencebigs 11:02 am commutiny: Many co-production activities exist, not well researched or systematically understood. In UK, proxy is number of #volunteers #evidencebigs 11:02 am elric_vh: Q: any clues from #evidencebigs about what mechanism of leadership identity formation will span both educational & sociocultural dimensions? 11:02 am sburall: citizens & public officials differ in value they place in co-production - and challenge is formalisation reduces participation #evidencebigs 11:03 am commutiny: RT @sburall: citizens & public officials differ in value they place in co-production - and challenge is formalisation reduces participation #evidencebigs 11:03 am sburall: people not participating much willing to do more -- if its interesting to them. is this a marketing question? #evidencebigs 11:04 am sburall: @tonyboviard identifies a huge latent willingness of citizens to be come more involved; if they are playing a worthwhile role. #evidencebigs 11:04 am sburall: do we understand risks related to co-production? #evidencebigs 11:04 am commutiny: Co-production implies innovation & taking risks (and by implication, higher #failure tolerance) - can Govt handle it? #evidencebigs 11:05 am sburall: Prof Fergus Lyon up now, from Middlesex uni #evidencebigs 11:06 am tobyblume: RT @sburall: citizens & public officials differ in value they place in co-production - and challenge is formalisation reduces participation #evidencebigs 11:06 am commutiny: @elric_vh Please explain your Q? Are you here or would you like us to ask for you? #evidencebigs 11:06 am ruthkennedy: RT @podnosh: Rt @karlwilding: #evidencebigs we need evidence on what motivates volunteers in places where volunteering isnt the culture 11:06 am sburall: focusing on social enterprises; identifies reasons they are rated, seen as; closer to communities, innovative .. #evidencebigs 11:06 am GetEngagedSA: RT @sburall: #evidencebigs. very interesting flow chart of relationship between citizens and public services; focusing on outcomes 11:07 am sburall: Lyons wanting to question if these are true #evidencebigs. part is definitional - this ref back to @tonyboviard and co-production too 11:08 am sburall: defining the social in social enterprises is subjective. #evidencebigs youll know one when you see one which reminds me of... 11:08 am sburall: ... i was once told a social enterprise isnt any good unless you dont understand what it does... #evidencebigs 11:09 am sburall: big questions about how they use their surplus, does it go into organisation or into the community? #evidencebigs 11:09 am tobyblume: Origins of #socent ...reminded of new JRF research on lessons from housing assocs over past 50 yrs #evidencebigs10 of 21 12/10/2010 11:48
  • 11. Transcript for #evidencebigs - What the Hashtag?! http://wthashtag.com/transcript.php?page_id=19344&start_date=2010-... 11:09 am commutiny: @tobyblume @tobyblume I was wondering how to design a nudge that can be measured. Attribution is hard in these changing times #EvidenceBigS 11:09 am karlwilding: RT @sburall: ... i was once told a social enterprise isnt any good unless you dont understand what it does... #evidencebigs 11:09 am ncvochlo: RT @dansumners: Re nudge would you be happy if a friend, partner, manager etc was controlling your behaviour in this way? #evidencebigs 11:09 am sburall: in then end the definition of social enterprise is political... #evidencebigs 11:10 am sburall: RT @podnosh: Rt @karlwilding: #evidencebigs we need evidence on what motivates volunteers in places where volunteering isnt the culture 11:10 am elric_vh: @commutiny please ask if poss - not at #evidencebigs unfortunately 11:11 am sburall: Lyons identifies the overlap in the data about social enterprise - #evidencebigs 11:12 am commutiny: RT @elric_vh: Q: any clues from #evidencebigs about what mechanism of leadership identity formation will span both educational & sociocultural dimensions? 11:12 am TimGodden: @karlwilding #evidencebigs the notion that there is a latent willingness seems a little shallow - which generation is Bovaird refering to? 11:12 am sburall: there are two types of data, of private sector and third sector social enterprises. diff data sets dont overlap. #evidencebigs 11:12 am sburall: again, evidence of political nature of definition #evidencebigs 11:13 am sburall: diff models of scaling up a social enterprise #evidencebigs 11:13 am ncvochlo: @dansumners I think it depends how and why ie sharing article on flex working practice & staff welfare/retention etc #evidencebigs 11:14 am sburall: growing org; francihising and licensing (not many exist, implying challenges); open access and dissem of good practice #evidencebigs 11:15 am tonybovaird: Fergus Lyon: Many social enterprises are protective of their intellectual capital - limiting potential for their scaling up? #EvidenceBigS 11:15 am tobyblume: Interesting thoughts on growth and scale of service delivery vcs ors...but begs Q wht r paths from social action to delivery? #evidencebigs 11:15 am commutiny: Nor do definitions, ouch RT @sburall: 2 types of data, of private & #thirdsector social enterprises. Data sets dont overlap #evidencebigs 11:15 am sburall: challenges - are there untapped soc entrepreneurs out there? in community and public sector? #evidencebigs 11:15 am karlwilding: @TimGodden #evidencebigs Tony didnt refer to a specific generation in terms of co-production potential. Will ask Q. 11:16 am sburall: how willing are commissioners, services etc to take risk? #evidencebigs 11:16 am sburall: how demonstrate impact of social enterprise? #evidencebigs 11:16 am commutiny: @elric_vh Please also rephrase/contextualise? Help me understand your thinking behind the question? #evidencebigs 11:16 am sburall: now moving to panel discussion and questions from floor - all chatham house #evidencebigs 11:17 am sburall: RT @commutiny: Nor do definitions, ouch RT @sburall: 2 types of data, of private & #thirdsector social enterprises. Data sets dont overlap #evidencebigs 11:17 am commutiny: @sburall Rarely willing enough, understandable fear of responses to #failure (which is inevitable & necessary for innovation) #evidencebigs 11:19 am sburall: qu; is govt moving beyond co-production to community production eg free schools #evidencebigs will these organisations spring up? 11:19 am Localopolis: My question for #evidencebigs is what is the difference between co-production and citizenship? Isnt cship easier to explain? 11:20 am karlwilding: #evidencebigS re reform of public services + #bigsociety: Q: is govt still interested in co-production, does it want community production? 11:20 am sburall: identifying problem of postcode lottery where communities deliver own services - will public accept this #evidencebigs 11:21 am TimGodden: @karlwilding #evidencebigs thanks Karl. The idea smacks a little of blitz spirit mentality and does not sit with reality. 11:22 am tobyblume: best Dr is usually the patient > not if Im having brain surgery, thanks! #evidencebigs11 of 21 12/10/2010 11:48
  • 12. Transcript for #evidencebigs - What the Hashtag?! http://wthashtag.com/transcript.php?page_id=19344&start_date=2010-... 11:22 am karlwilding: #evidencebigs Nice quote on bigsociety and prevention: have to stop ppl falling in streams so that we dont have to fish them out 11:22 am NCVOForesight: RT @Localopolis: My question for #evidencebigs is what is the difference between co-production and citizenship? I wud like 2 hr answer to... 11:22 am commutiny: Panel responses from @kairudat and Nick Seddon of Reform http://ow.ly/2RyEf (& Chair of DSC http://ow.ly/2RyCI) #evidencebigs 11:23 am karlwilding: #evidencebigs John lewis is a profit making business: stop saying we are something else and overlaying your expectations on that. 11:23 am sburall: defs are important; John Lewis mustnt be misunderstood; it is a profit making organisation which is co-owned. #evidencebigs 11:23 am sburall: what does John Lewis model mean for co-producation? #evidencebigs 11:24 am commutiny: One for @tonybovaird RT @Localopolis: Question for #evidencebigs is what is the difference between co-production and citizenship? 11:24 am tobyblume: Q- what is role of profit in #bigsociety ? >good Q, partic in relation to things like free schools. Are we signed up to that? #evidencebigs 11:24 am sburall: the issue of scale is a fundamental issue here, as outlined in first presentation #evidencebigs and is a fundamental challenge 11:24 am karlwilding: #evidencebigs Weve discussed scale a few times: scale of ambition; scale of involvement needed; scale of vol action vs state. 11:25 am annettenaudin: RT @podnosh: Rt @karlwilding: #evidencebigs we need evidence on what motivates volunteers in places where volunteering isnt the culture 11:25 am sburall: we are dealing with individual and community behaviour change #evidencebigs 11:25 am commutiny: @elric_vh Its one Im interested in too, if I get you right. Ill put it to John in the break #EvidenceBigS 11:26 am karlwilding: #evidencebigs Speaker: massive gap in terms of sector readiness to take on new organisational forms for public service delivery 11:27 am sburall: what are the social technology apps that might support the #bigsociety? #evidencebigs 11:27 am CIBSouthandWest: RT @karlwilding: #evidencebigs Speaker: massive gap in terms of sector readiness to take on new organisational forms for public service delivery 11:28 am tobyblume: @kairudat gives #evidencebigs tweeps a mention! :) 11:28 am tobyblume: RT @karlwilding: #evidencebigs Speaker: massive gap in terms of sector readiness to take on new organisational forms for public service delivery 11:28 am commutiny: Mention of new social technologies as a possible enabler - I advise #caution, even as fully paid-up member of the twitterati #evidencebigs 11:28 am sburall: lots of focus on risk here, now a question about financial risk in relation to co-production cf @tobyblume qu abt failure risk #evidencebigs 11:28 am karlwilding: #evidencebigs Q: how do we deal with commissioners concern that vol orgs are too big a risk for taxpayers cash? 11:29 am sburall: qu noting that faith groups not mentioned yet. #evidencebigs 11:29 am Emma_NCVO: @Emma_NCVO and now I keep getting the hash tag wrong #evidencebigs 11:29 am tobyblume: RT@kanedr: @tobyblume plus how do the "worried well" fit into that - sometimes were the worst people to diagnose probs #evidencebigs 11:29 am karlwilding: RT @TimJHughes: @sburall How services are delivered is not necessarily linked to the outcomes they achieve. #evidencebigs 11:30 am sburall: co-prod is difficult to achieve because of different org cultures . how much harder if inv priv, civil and pub sectors #evidencebigs 11:30 am sburall: another reflection on risk - who takes the blame if things go wrong. Who sets the agenda? #evidencebigs 11:30 am commutiny: Any #EvidenceBigS tweeple in attendance & not on this list, let me know and Ill add you! http://ow.ly/2RyOs 11:31 am tobyblume: Q- whos going to take the blame when things go wrong? #evidencebigs 11:31 am karlwilding: #evidencebigs Q from audience: when does localism become parochialism? #bigsociety 11:32 am TimJHughes: #EvidenceBigS sounds fascinating - I wish I was there. Thanks for all the tweet updates!12 of 21 12/10/2010 11:48
  • 13. Transcript for #evidencebigs - What the Hashtag?! http://wthashtag.com/transcript.php?page_id=19344&start_date=2010-... 11:32 am sburall: @tonyboviard on risk and blame, this is the reason that co-prod advocates havent got very far #evidencebigs 11:33 am RichardHebditch: RT @karlwilding: #evidencebigs Q from audience: when does localism become parochialism? #bigsociety 11:33 am sburall: notes that we arent clear abt the risks, and not nec removed them by taking them into public services #evidencebigs says need humility 11:33 am karlwilding: #evidencebigs A: weve had is that we still dont understand risk well enough; giving VCOs services to run is less a risk than we think 11:33 am sburall: is qu about understanding how risk is increased or decreased rather than absolute risk #evidencebigs 11:34 am davidpidsley: RT @karlwilding: #evidencebigs Speaker: massive gap in terms of sector readiness to take on new organisational forms for public service delivery 11:34 am commutiny: Esmee Willcox FRSA has written a great piece for the #FailureFiles about fear of #failure in public sector, pertinent to #EvidenceBigS 11:34 am tobyblume: Need to be honest about risk...tend to overstate how well weve managed risk. Dont even truly understand risks. #evidencebigs 11:34 am elric_vh: @commutiny much thanks! #EvidenceBigS 11:35 am sburall: sources of risk determine who the lender to the social enterprise is. we should be investing in the unbankable #evidencebigs 11:35 am commutiny: Im beginning to feel that the focus is drifting away from #thirdsector orgs to how public sector can handle impending changes #evidencebigs 11:35 am sburall: @TimJHughes the threads are beginning to pull together into an interesting picture #evidencebigs 11:36 am tobyblume: Profit considered less savoury/acceptable than surplus #evidencebigs #whatsinaname 11:37 am tobyblume: RT @commutiny: Im beginning to feel that the focus is drifting away from #thirdsector orgs to how public sector can handle impending changes #evidencebigs 11:37 am sburall: battery dying, going to have to go onto back-up plan for tweeting... #evidencebigs 11:37 am SophiaLooney: .@commutiny sounds like the debate at #lambethcoop and #evidencebigs this morning is identical from the tweets .... 11:38 am commutiny: Interesting how the #ServiceDelivery theme focuses on co-production and #socialenterprise, both on edges of trad #thirdsector #evidencebigs 11:38 am bevgibbs: Some great tweets from @sburall at the Big Society Evidence seminar, tagged #evidencebigs 11:39 am tobyblume: Q on markets....lost me straight away.... #evidencebigs 11:39 am BrookLyndhurst: Slightly jealous of those at #evidencebigs and struggling to eavesdrop via twitter - keen to hear any hard outcomes. 11:39 am commutiny: RT @karlwilding: A: We still dont understand risk well enough; giving VCOs services to run is less a risk than we think #evidencebigs 11:39 am PostFilm: Though-provoking paper on below the radar civil society (#vcs) http://bit.ly /d5N0be (Third Sector Research) #evidencebigs #bigsociety 11:39 am MarkOneinFour: Important questions for #mentalhealth and #bigsociety being raised at #evidencebigs. Just been in meeting at NMHDU discussing similar! #mhuk 11:40 am sburall: Does turning pub bodies into mutuals lead to better outcomes? #evidencebigs 11:40 am commutiny: @warrenhatter Theres no programme link, sadly (theyre learning!) Look out for the writeup & slides on NCVO site soon #EvidenceBigS 11:40 am tobyblume: Q- Any evidence of public service mutuals delivering better outcomes? #evidencebigs 11:40 am bevgibbs: @kefirlime are you looking at the #evidencebigs tweets, think youll like them 11:41 am karlwilding: #evidencebigS Bovaird: opportunities for co-production are immense, many professionals (one third?) want this. 11:42 am commutiny: If youre having trouble following the full twitterstream, look here http://wthashtag.com/Evidencebigs #evidencebigs 11:42 am tobyblume: @tonybovaird says there should be a person on a bike in every neighbourhood as comm organizer. >tebbit would like that! #evidencebigs13 of 21 12/10/2010 11:48
  • 14. Transcript for #evidencebigs - What the Hashtag?! http://wthashtag.com/transcript.php?page_id=19344&start_date=2010-... 11:43 am karlwilding: #evidencebigs Scaling up will need far more than 5000 community organisers: there are 23,000 councillors. Need to reverse that ratio 11:43 am sburall: Now moving on to elected members in eel to community organisers. What do they understand by co-prod #evidencebigs 11:43 am karlwilding: RT @commutiny: If youre having trouble following the full twitterstream, look here http://wthashtag.com/Evidencebigs #evidencebigs 11:43 am sburall: No evi known here of impact of mutualisation on outcome #evidencebigs 11:43 am tobyblume: RT @karlwilding: #evidencebigs Scaling up will need far more than 5000 community organisers: there are 23,000 councillors. Need to reverse that ratio 11:44 am commutiny: @SophiaLooney I hope not! Though there is always a strong pull to discuss problems, #EvidenceBigS is about evidence base to inform policy 11:44 am tobyblume: RT @commutiny: If youre having trouble following the full twitterstream, look here http://wthashtag.com/Evidencebigs #evidencebigs 11:44 am sburall: RT @karlwilding #evidencebigs Scaling up will need more than 5000 community organisers: 23,000 councillors. Need to reverse that ratio 11:44 am sburall: RT @karlwilding RT @commutiny: having trouble following the full twitterstream? look here http://wthashtag.com/Evidencebigs #evidencebigs 11:45 am sburall: Evi on mutuals. NHS mutual from Nuffield trust re my last but 2 tweets #evidencebigs 11:46 am tobyblume: Surrey mutual pct cited as one of v few egs of public mutuals > didnt Maude visit them the other day? #evidencebigs 11:46 am commutiny: @leashless Heh, control group is gonna be hard for #BigSociety researchers (tho I havent read tweeted refs yet) #EvidenceBigS 11:47 am sburall: Spreading good practice is difficult #evidencebigs 11:48 am sburall: If you want to change ways of doing things; if you like it then its innovation, if not then its risk #evidencebigs 11:49 am karlwilding: #evidencebigs @kairudat just said if something is new and we like it its called innovation, if we dont like it its called risk 11:49 am tobyblume: If you like it, its innovation, if you dont like it its risk! #evidencebigs 11:49 am commutiny: @karlwilding Loads of interest in #EvidenceBigS, is this a good page for folk to follow? http://www.ncvo-vol.org.uk/big-society-evidence 11:49 am Emma_NCVO: If you really like it its called innovation if you dont its called risk. Like it. #evidencebigs 11:49 am sburall: How learn from failure? How increase tolerance to failure? #evidencebigs 11:49 am sburall: Okay, break for lunch in #evidencebigs 11:51 am PostFilm: Though-provoking paper on below the radar civil society (#vcs) http://bit.ly /d5N0be (Third Sector Research) #evidencebigs #bigsociety 11:51 am commutiny: Break for lunch now, will hunt down speakers and ask questions from twittersphere #evidencebigs 11:52 am commutiny: If you like it, its innovation, if you dont like it its risk! @gloryoffailure would agree! #evidencebigs 11:59 am Localopolis: RT @Emma_NCVO: If you really like it its called innovation if you dont its called risk. Like it. #evidencebigs < and me! 12:02 pm hackofalltrades: RT @commutiny: If you like it, its innovation, if you dont like it its risk! @gloryoffailure would agree! #evidencebigs 12:05 pm NCVOevents: RT @elliebrodie Listening to NCVOs deputy CEO introduce a fun-packed day about the Big Society here at NCVO. Follow us at #EvidenceBigS 12:07 pm commutiny: @jonoread It was just a passing reference, used as an example. Check the story here http://tescosheringham.blogspot.com/ #EvidenceBigS 12:09 pm NCVOevents: Theres bags of informed comment from delegates/speakers #EvidenceBigS #bigsociety #NCVO http://wthashtag.com/Evidencebigs 12:20 pm commutiny: A frenzied morning, watch out for the #funding panel this afternoon! #evidencebigs 12:28 pm TimJHughes: RT @commutiny: If youre having trouble following the full twitterstream, look here http://wthashtag.com/Evidencebigs #evidencebigs 12:33 pm TomSprints: RT @commutiny If you like it, its innovation, if you dont like it its risk! @gloryoffailure would agree! #evidencebigs Agree!14 of 21 12/10/2010 11:48
  • 15. Transcript for #evidencebigs - What the Hashtag?! http://wthashtag.com/transcript.php?page_id=19344&start_date=2010-... 12:33 pm commutiny: #EvidenceBigS is not just for eggheads and polywonks you know. Good research is much more compelling than common truths & assertion 12:39 pm TimJHughes: A thought: Interesting that the status quo is normally thought of as least risky option. Need to challenge this assumption. #evidencebigs 12:39 pm commutiny: #ThirdSector Resource Centre are a rich source of info for #EvidenceBigS http://ow.ly/2RAna 12:47 pm kanedr: just about to take notes for the third session at #evidencebigs - so much info so far, not sure how to get it all on paper! 12:48 pm sburall: were back up again, looking at funding of the #bigsociety #evidencebigs 12:49 pm tobyblume: RT @SEmagreporter: @tobyblume yes, story of Maude at Central Surrey Health here http://bit.ly/9iNGxE #evidencebigs 12:49 pm tonybovaird: @commutiny @Localopolis I think co-production is at citizen/state interface, whereas citizenship also includes self-organising #EvidenceBigS 12:51 pm commutiny: Cathy Pharoah of the Centre for Charitable Giving & Philanthropy begins the #funding session http://www.cgap.org.uk/ #evidencebigs 12:51 pm sburall: "success in funding is easy to measure" - which makes it such a dangerous measure of course #evidencebigs 12:51 pm tonybovaird: @tobyblume I somehow never believed the sincerity of this green element of Norman Tebbitts philosophy! #EvidenceBigS 12:51 pm tobyblume: Funding focus now at #evidencebigs we dont give a lot so there is money to be had #growthpotential 12:52 pm sburall: individual giving fell by 11% last year, and legacy giving by 3-4%, trusts income by 7% #evidencebigs so difficult for #bigsociety 12:52 pm commutiny: Shes optimistic about the prospects & opportunities for giving, + the ability of researchers to inform effective philanthropy #evidencebigs 12:52 pm sburall: base of donors is narrowing, fewer better off households giving more... #evidencebigs wow 12:53 pm Localopolis: @tonybovaird Ok - so co-production is a form of citizenship? Maybe a venn diagram around the corner? #evidencebigs 12:53 pm sburall: this is Cathy Pharoh from Centre for Charitable Giving by the way #evidencebigs 12:55 pm sburall: evidence around giving picking up falling govt spending - data implies people wont give where they think govt should do it #evidencebigs 12:55 pm tobyblume: Big society isnt starting on a rising tide of philanthropy. Ppl dont like to give to causes seen as govs responsibility #evidencebigs 12:56 pm commutiny: RT @tobyblume: Big society isnt starting on a rising tide of philanthropy. Ppl dont like to give to causes seen as govs responsibility #evidencebigs 12:57 pm sburall: In terms of legacy giving and endowments, can be done to build the name and reputation of entrepreneurs. Need to use this #evidencebigs 12:57 pm Localopolis: Some great debate to follow at #evidencebigs if you are not already... 12:57 pm sburall: thanks for #evidencebigs RTs from @bevgibbs @TimJHughes @commutiny @karlwilding @davidwilcox @urbanforum 12:58 pm tobyblume: Ideas like social impact bonds show ways to bring new donors into social finance, but still a small market #evidencebigs 12:58 pm sburall: social finance market is worth £1bn - thats big, wish i knew what that market was... #evidencebigs 12:59 pm sburall: charitable giving/ social investment markets are relatively inelastic, suggests that we need to identify new people to give #evidencebigs 12:59 pm commutiny: RT @sburall: evidence around giving picking up falling govt spending - data implies people wont give where they think govt should do it #evidencebigs 12:59 pm PostFilm: A thought-provoking paper on below the radar civil society (#vcs) http://bit.ly /d5N0be (Third Sector Research) #evidencebigs #bigsociety 1:00 pm sburall: this requires finding people willing to accept reduced financial returns #evidencebigs 1:00 pm tobyblume: New Social finance will only work if products appeal to new type of investors #evidencebigs says Cathy pharaoh 1:01 pm sburall: "Links between membership and donation is extremely strong" <- suggests a particular organisational form for #bigsociety #evidencebigs15 of 21 12/10/2010 11:48
  • 16. Transcript for #evidencebigs - What the Hashtag?! http://wthashtag.com/transcript.php?page_id=19344&start_date=2010-... 1:01 pm sburall: tended to focus on individual giving rather than giving within communities - need to focus on giving circles #evidencebigs 1:01 pm tobyblume: Weve tended to overlook membership giving as means to support social action #evidencebigs >crowd funding? 1:01 pm commutiny: Links between membership and donations are very strong - researchers find out more about how membership funds civil society #evidencebigs 1:02 pm sburall: in terms of giving circles what about @FundingNetwork ? #evidencebigs 1:02 pm sburall: @karlwilding up now... the issue of funding the VSC isnt a new story #evidencebigs 1:03 pm tobyblume: @karlwilding says there will never be enough worms for all the vcs chicks #evidencebigs 1:03 pm sburall: quotes David Carrington - funding for VSC like a mother bringing worms back to nest, therell never be enough... #evidencebigs 1:04 pm commutiny: Feelgood message from the #funding session, the situation is probably better than we think says @karlwilding #evidencebigs 1:04 pm sburall: sector grown quickly but it hasnt been evenly distributed #evidencebigs the long tail is very long 1:04 pm tobyblume: VCS has grown quickly but still issues of scale. Even biggest charities are small compared with public sector #evidencebigs 1:04 pm sburall: sector is only worth 2% of govt spending, only the large charities average income is £19m, #evidencebigs 1:05 pm sburall: given this how can we tip the balance between VSC and state? #evidencebigs 1:06 pm commutiny: Arguments abt tipping the balance between State and #thirdsector should realise that our biggest orgs are small by comparison #evidencebigs 1:06 pm sburall: mutualising public sector orgs, for example, but foundation sector isnt growing so they are having to work harder, fund more #evidencebigs 1:07 pm tobyblume: Central gov has been driver of increased funding to vcs. Trusts and foundation funding fairly static...spreading funds thinner #evidencebigs 1:07 pm commutiny: As the sector has widened (#socent etc), funding bodies now need to support more operating orgs #evidencebigs 1:07 pm sburall: the debate has partly been about large organisations vs community organisations #evidencebigs 1:08 pm sburall: do we need larger organisations to be bigger given the scale of the problem, not smaller as some have said? #evidencebigs 1:09 pm sburall: @karlwilding questioning whether the larger VCS sector is actually more resilient, esp given how dependent it is on govt £ #evidencebigs 1:09 pm sburall: so, are cuts to sector going to be spread over spending review period or shorter? big policy question #evidencebigs 1:10 pm tobyblume: @karlwilding sector is larger but not more resilient, v little reserves held #evidencebigs 1:10 pm sburall: the average size of free reserves is 4 months spending #evidencebigs a reserve policy is just a piece of paper for most 1:11 pm sburall: money into sector is to deliver services and not the voice - community organising - activities #evidencebigs 1:12 pm sburall: funding regimes moving to financing regimes based on outcomes. how use this finance for working capital rather than mortgages? #evidencebigs 1:13 pm sburall: moving to panel questioning speakers now. #evidencebigs 1:13 pm commutiny: RT @sburall: @karlwilding questioning whether the larger VCS sector is actually more resilient, esp given how dependent it is on govt £ #evidencebigs 1:14 pm tobyblume: Lots of talk about increasing philanthropy...but cant help thinking that last gov spent shedloads on this with little impact #evidencebigs 1:14 pm sburall: US research; only 2 out of 6 donors are interested in making a difference, rest irrational in terms of how they give, #evidencebigs 1:15 pm commutiny: RT @buttonurban: Innit. Even the mighty NSPCCs projects are barely the equivalent of a small LA social services department. #EvidenceBigS 1:15 pm TimJHughes: Are people more willing/likely to engage with more localised rather than national charities? #evidencebigs16 of 21 12/10/2010 11:48
  • 17. Transcript for #evidencebigs - What the Hashtag?! http://wthashtag.com/transcript.php?page_id=19344&start_date=2010-... 1:15 pm sburall: we should not assume that small is good, we dont have the evidence to support this. Local will cost more for eg? #evidencebigs 1:16 pm tobyblume: Challenge to assumption that small is beautiful. #evidencebigs >I still think Schumacher was right! 1:16 pm tobyblume: RT @TimJHughes: Are people more willing/likely to engage with more localised rather than national charities? #evidencebigs 1:17 pm sburall: RT @timjhughes Are people more willing to engage with more localised or national charities? #evidencebigs <-another data gap i suspect 1:17 pm commutiny: Belinda Vernon of New Philanthropy Capital picks up & highlights the challenges of targeting & scaling http://ow.ly/2RBw9 #EvidenceBigS 1:18 pm sburall: I really am being left with the opinion that new forms of funding will pass most organisations by #evidencebigs on top of cuts... 1:19 pm tobyblume: People see distinction between charity and public sector...what are risks if we blur the lines thru #bigsociety ? #evidencebigs 1:20 pm sburall: must focus on being more effective not on being more efficient #evidencebigs <- back to first speaker though, efficiency easier to measure 1:21 pm sburall: @anthonyzach which was picked up on by Victim support here. #evidencebigs and is now being picked up, see previous tweet 1:21 pm demsoc: So many fascinating questions coming through from #evidencebigs, wishing I was there to help answer them 1:21 pm tobyblume: Q - are we witnessing the slow death of grants? #evidencebigs >from charitable trusts, now way. From the state? Jurys out! 1:22 pm commutiny: Are infrastructure orgs at risk if donors dont get to see beneficiaries happy faces #evidencebigs 1:22 pm tonybovaird: @Localopolis I see co-producxtion as a FUNCTION of citizens rather than as a FORM of citizenship - or is that too prissy? #EvidenceBigS 1:22 pm sburall: @karlwilding stop thinking of funding as a zero sum game, bigger orgs doesnt nec mean less funding #evidencebigs 1:23 pm sburall: @demsoc wishing twitter could capture nuance from here too #evidencebigs finding it hard to follow, tweet and process 1:24 pm commutiny: Neil Cleeveley of NAVCA wonders if well see the slow death of grant funding? http://ow.ly/2RBH5 #EvidenceBigS 1:24 pm sburall: philanthropy isnt a substitute for govt funding, some will not work, some will; need to think of it as a rising tide #evidencebigs 1:25 pm sburall: question is how to get into philanthropy networks, they have financial, intellectual and social capital. what do they want? #evidencebigs 1:26 pm asset_transfer: RT @sburall: philanthropy isnt sub for govt funding, some will not work, some will; need to think of it as a rising tide #evidencebigs 1:26 pm sburall: questions now @ #evidencebigs funding need not be money, most help we get is accomm, equip etc 1:26 pm sburall: phasing cuts will mean we can cut infrastructure rather than staff, cuts now means losing staff #evidencebigs 1:27 pm sburall: how fund VSC to deliver services, but hold them to account for it? #evidencebigs 1:29 pm sburall: will existing funders be the ones that fund this? could be new forms that will fund #bigsociety. Regulation the problem #evidencebigs 1:30 pm commutiny: @sburall @demsoc Thats the nature of the backchannel, sadly. Im hoping the TSRC/NCVO team will take this convo further #evidencebigs 1:30 pm sburall: alt forms of financing not nec mean lower returns, as based on lower cost base than banks #evidencebigs 1:32 pm demsoc: @commutiny I do hope so. Would be interested in moving things on. #evidencebigs 1:32 pm tobyblume: Major culture shift needed to increase philanthropy> but we dont have time to replace lost gov funds! #cuts #evidencebigs 1:33 pm sburall: RT @tobyblume: Major culture shift needed to increase philanthropy> but we dont have time to replace lost gov funds! #cuts #evidencebigs 1:33 pm commutiny: Its good that NCVO want to share this event - its an internal seminar. Theyll be surprised at interest http://ow.ly/2RC7b #evidencebigs17 of 21 12/10/2010 11:48
  • 18. Transcript for #evidencebigs - What the Hashtag?! http://wthashtag.com/transcript.php?page_id=19344&start_date=2010-... 1:34 pm sburall: giving assets to VSC can be difficult for elected reps, and smaller orgs can be more trouble than worth #evidencebigs 1:34 pm commutiny: RT @buttonurban: @commutiny Having the courage to fundraise to strategy, not adapt strategy to funding is always good. #EvidenceBigS 1:37 pm sburall: we now have a philanthropy ambassador #evidencebigs - do we?! 1:37 pm commutiny: Philanthropy hasnt dropped, despite changes & stresses elsewhere. There are unexplored opportunities for local philanthropy #evidencebigs 1:38 pm tobyblume: Cath Pharoah says we should be pleased philanthropy hasnt fallen #evidencebigs >not sure this constitutes success! 1:40 pm commutiny: Radical social & political reform is on the #BigSociety agenda, but sadly not local economic reform #evidencebigs 1:41 pm sburall: encourage local giving by making people feel that they arent alone. #evidencebigs 1:41 pm commutiny: Encourage local giving by helping people feel they are not alone, we need to connect surpluses to under-served areas #evidencebigs 1:42 pm commutiny: You can be local about the services but you can still distribute cash to needy areas (dont have to be local about the money) #evidencebigs 1:45 pm curiousc: RT @sburall: we now have a philanthropy ambassador #evidencebigs - do we?! <- am sure this will make all the difference dont be so cynical 1:45 pm commutiny: Plea to funders: stop demanding #new things and support what works (provide continuation funding & respond to cuts) #evidencebigs 1:47 pm commutiny: Cathy Pharaoah is relentlessly positive about opportunities for developing philanthropy. Refreshingly upbeat #funding session #evidencebigs 1:48 pm tobyblume: wont solve all probs but we need to tap into big bonuses made to bankers #evidencebigs >god help us if we nd 2 rely on bankers 2 save us 1:49 pm commutiny: Many references to state of USA funding & philanthropy - @karlwilding thinks our sector will look more American in 10 years #evidencebigs 1:58 pm ecomodo: RT @sburall: #evidencebigs funding need not be money, most help we get is accomm, equip < we can help people get equipped to make a diff. 1:59 pm 3rdSectorLeader: TSRC - Publications: #ThirdSector Resource Centre are a rich source of info for #EvidenceBigS http://ow.ly/2RAna http://tinyurl.com/28zvlts 2:03 pm FundingNetwork: @sburall Thanks, we agree - wed love to see more giving circles across the country! #evidencebigs 2:03 pm sburall: @FundingNetwork @sburall Thanks, we agree - wed love to see more giving circles across the country!<- #evidencebigs 2:03 pm alexandrapeters: Oh yes! RT@karlwilding: #evidencebigs @kairudat: if somethings new and we like it its called innovation, if we dont like it its called risk 2:04 pm commutiny: Quick break now for coffee & chat, closing session starts in 5 mins #evidencebigs 2:07 pm TimJHughes: Thanks @commutiny @sburall @tobyblume 4 all your tweets. Recommend http://bit.ly/8Xoka6 for any1 who hasnt been following #evidencebigs 2:08 pm tobyblume: @sburall gaps in our knowledge are becoming clearer. But still have probs of definitions. Q do gaps matter? #evidencebigs 2:09 pm commutiny: #EvidenceBigS participating tweeple are on this list http://ow.ly/2RBjF - Follow it to find out what else theyre into 2:09 pm karlwilding: #evidencebigs Amongst all the calls for inreasing participation, we rarely stop to ask participation for what? 2:10 pm karlwilding: #evidencebigs Simon Burrall: the best community organisers are the ones who irritate those in power the most #bigsociety 2:10 pm tobyblume: Best community organizers are irritating to thosemin power says @sburall > classic disruptor role! #evidencebigs 2:10 pm sospot: RT @karlwilding: #evidencebigs Simon Burrall: the best community organisers are the ones who irritate those in power the most #bigsociety 2:11 pm commutiny: Themes & issues: the age-old problem of definitions, measures of success esp of engagement & to inform targeted support #evidencebigs 2:12 pm karlwilding: #evidencebigs The need to transition from here to the #bigsociety that is over there is one of the main themes from todays debate 2:13 pm tobyblume: Continuing gap btwn policy rhetoric and reality on the ground...still true with #bigsociety #evidencebigs18 of 21 12/10/2010 11:48
  • 19. Transcript for #evidencebigs - What the Hashtag?! http://wthashtag.com/transcript.php?page_id=19344&start_date=2010-... 2:14 pm karlwilding: #evidencebigs Prof Margaret Harris must be one of the most authorititive speakers on the vol sector Ive ever heard. 2:15 pm commutiny: @tobyblume @karlwilding @sburall For a particular value of best! Sometimes irritating is simply irritating, not best #EvidenceBigS 2:15 pm tobyblume: #evidencebigs success of #bigsociety will depend on public reaction to co-production, scaling up #socent & new narrative on role of citizens 2:16 pm karlwilding: #evidencebigS Diana Leat has noted that we have been largely uncynical today. I find that very interesting. 2:16 pm commutiny: RT @tobyblume: #evidencebigs success of #bigsociety will depend on public reaction to co-production, scaling up #socent & new narrative on role of citizens 2:18 pm davidwilcox: RT @tobyblume: #evidencebigs success of #bigsociety will depend on public reaction to co-production, scaling up #socent & new narrative on role of citizens 2:18 pm karlwilding: #evidencebigs Posed real questions about issues of scale today: even biggest charities dont seem that big compared to bits of the state 2:19 pm karlwilding: #evidencebigs Weve also talked quite a bit about the funding gap between funding now and social finance tomorrow? 2:20 pm commutiny: More themes: Need to ensure local does not become parochial, to accept risk & failure, to better understand hybrid orgs #evidencebigs 2:20 pm tonybovaird: Diana Leat wants to ask Lord Wei - what is universal and guaranteed for individuals & for third sector as we move into future? #evidencebigS 2:20 pm karlwilding: @NatWei Shame you cant join us today as the panel have a few questions for you! :-) #evidencebigs 2:20 pm johnpopham: RT @karlwilding: #evidencebigs Simon Burrall: the best community organisers are the ones who irritate those in power the most #bigsociety 2:21 pm tobyblume: @karlwilding perhaps tho timeframe doesnt fit as cuts likely to decimate sector before its adequately adapted #evidencebigs 2:22 pm commutiny: New from David Billis > Hybrid Organizations & The Third Sector: Challenges For Practice, Theory And Policy http://ow.ly/2RE7n #evidencebigs 2:23 pm karlwilding: RT @tonybovaird: Diana Leat asks @NatWei: what is universal and guaranteed for individuals & for VCS as we move into future? #evidencebigS 2:25 pm commutiny: @tobyblume @sburall @karlwilding I like a "disruption plus" approach just in case our voices get heard. Its why Im at #EvidenceBigS 2:27 pm tobyblume: No clear narrative...Whose responsibility is it to make sense of the #bigsociety ? #allinthistogether #evidencebigs 2:27 pm commutiny: If youre missing @natwei this afternoon, check out what he said in the Lords debate last week #EvidenceBigS http://ow.ly/2REjc 2:28 pm LucyInnovation: RT @commutiny: Philanthropy hasnt dropped, despite changes & stresses elsewhere. There are unexplored opportunities for local philanthropy #evidencebigs 2:29 pm tobyblume: Discussion has taken a detour to donkey sanctuaries...who says the sector lacks focus? #evidencebigs 2:29 pm karlwilding: RT @tobyblume: No clear narrative...Whose responsibility is it to make sense of the #bigsociety ? #allinthistogether #evidencebigs 2:30 pm TimJHughes: RT @commutiny: If youre missing @natwei this afternoon, check out what he said in the Lords debate last week #EvidenceBigS http://ow.ly/2REjc 2:32 pm davidwilcox: RT@tobyblume: No clear narrative...Whose responsibility is it to make sense of the #bigsociety ? #evidencebigs < no sense fuels cynicism 2:33 pm tobyblume: Oop, were back to the donkeys again! Gov can steer without being prescriptive (not sure how this fits with tho!) #evidencebigs 2:35 pm karlwilding: #evidencebigs Argued we need to be experimental and imaginative and no need to worry that its lacks shape and definition 2:37 pm commutiny: @natwei says #thirdsector is "adding variety & humanity to the bedrock of public services to protect the vulnerable" (16 June) #evidencebigs 2:38 pm karlwilding: #evidencebigs Weve had a passionate argument that nobody is guiding people through the #bigsociety debate and current discussions elitist 2:40 pm karlwilding: #evidencebigs Ive just asked the question from one of our twitter followers about attitudes of local got members to #bigsociety... 2:41 pm commutiny: Just to be clear, Im giving links to Lord Weis published words as he cant be at #EvidenceBigS > @Nat Weis Blog http://ow.ly/2RETv19 of 21 12/10/2010 11:48
  • 20. Transcript for #evidencebigs - What the Hashtag?! http://wthashtag.com/transcript.php?page_id=19344&start_date=2010-... 2:41 pm karlwilding: #evidencebigs Ive asked the question from one of our twitter followers about attitudes of local govt members to #bigsociety (w/out typo) 2:43 pm karlwilding: #evidencebigs Just been argued that we need to articulate a clearer role for local govt, esp members, in #bigsociety. 2:44 pm tobyblume: RT @karlwilding: #evidencebigs Just been argued that we need to articulate a clearer role for local govt, esp members, in #bigsociety. 2:44 pm commutiny: Wheres the appetite in CLG to articulate the role of the state in #BigSociety? Its not all @natweis job http://ow.ly/2RF1E #evidencebigs 2:44 pm karlwilding: #evidencebigs ...and many #bigsociety followers will know @NatWei blogged about local govt role y/day: http://bit.ly/9H4mHu 2:44 pm tonybovaird: @DavidWilcox Who shd guide people thru Big Society debate? Self-organising citizens maybe dont need guides, just channels? #evidencebigs 2:44 pm commutiny: RT @karlwilding: #evidencebigs Weve had a passionate argument that nobody is guiding people through the #bigsociety debate and current discussions elitist 2:46 pm tobyblume: @commutiny @karlwilding worth doing a word cloud of the #evidencebigs stream? Just an idea.... 2:48 pm davidwilcox: RT @tonybovaird: @DavidWilcox Who shd guide people thru Big Society debate? Self-organising citizens maybe dont need guides, just channels? #evidencebigs 2:48 pm commutiny: RT @tonybovaird: @DavidWilcox Who shd guide people thru Big Society debate? Self-organising citizens maybe dont need guides, just channels? #evidencebigs 2:49 pm karlwilding: #evidencebigs Amidst talk of how to define #bigsociety, Ben Kernighan argues that independent civil society needs to define its own future 2:50 pm karlwilding: RT @tobyblume: @commutiny @karlwilding worth doing a word cloud of the #evidencebigs stream? Just an idea.... <-yes! 2:51 pm davidwilcox: @tonybovaird #evidencebigs we seem to believe reporters and interpreters are needed for old politics/society. But not for #bigsociety? 2:51 pm tobyblume: @karlwilding @commutiny thanks and well done. Great #evidencebigs seminar 2:52 pm commutiny: RT @karlwilding: #evidencebigs Amidst talk of how to define #bigsociety, Ben Kernighan argues that independent civil society needs to define its own future 2:54 pm PeterWanless: RT @karlwilding @NatWei Shame you cant join us today as the panel have a few questions for you! :-) #evidencebigs >> bring them tomorrow! 2:54 pm commutiny: Thats all, folks. If you want more, get stuck in to http://www.ncvo-vol.org.uk /big-society-evidence or tweet @karlwilding #evidencebigs 3:18 pm homobil: RT @tonybovaird: @DavidWilcox Who shd guide people thru Big Society debate? Self-organising citizens maybe dont need guides, just channels? #evidencebigs 3:22 pm commutiny: Very well done to the research team @NCVO @elliebrodie @kanedr & Naomi for organising #EvidenceBigS today - you left us all hungry for more! 3:23 pm karlwilding: #evidencebigS And...thats a wrap! Cheers to everyone who RTed and took part in the conversation. Cheers, Karl 3:48 pm MrDaveConroy: RT @karlwilding: #evidencebigs Amidst talk of how to define #bigsociety, Ben Kernighan argues that independent civil society needs to define its own future 3:50 pm MrDaveConroy: RT @tobyblume: @karlwilding perhaps tho timeframe doesnt fit as cuts likely to decimate sector before its adequately adapted #evidencebigs 3:53 pm MrDaveConroy: RT @tobyblume: Major culture shift needed to increase philanthropy> but we dont have time to replace lost gov funds! #cuts #evidencebigs 4:08 pm sburall: RT @NatWei #BigSociety activism successful in deprived areas IPPR report http://bit.ly/cttglN <-no chance to read yet; rel 4 #evidencebigs? 4:11 pm NCVO: RT @commutiny: Very well done to the research team @NCVO @elliebrodie @kanedr & Naomi for organising #EvidenceBigS today - you left us all hungry for more! 4:16 pm ChrisPenberthy: Thanks to everyone tweeting from #EvidenceBigS - really interesting to see the discussions and your thoughts :) 4:57 pm davidwilcox: Takeaway fm #evidencebigs: sense-making narratives needed inc. - 1 abt co-production in pub services, 1 for pub engagement. Who does that? 5:24 pm kairudat: #bigsociety Great evidence session at NCVO thanks @karlwilding for organising and @commutiny for event feed #evidencebigs 5:59 pm kanedr: Big message for me from #evidencebigs - power is key to big society, has to be something for all citizens, not just the shouty ones20 of 21 12/10/2010 11:48
  • 21. Transcript for #evidencebigs - What the Hashtag?! http://wthashtag.com/transcript.php?page_id=19344&start_date=2010-... 6:01 pm ChrisPenberthy: RT @kanedr: Big message for me from #evidencebigs - power is key to big society, has to be something for all citizens, not just the shouty ones 6:37 pm davidwilcox: RT @steve4good: @davidwilcox could it be the *new* Big Society Network ? < steve moore on #bigsociety needs sense-making #evidencebigs. hmm. 8:22 pm YorkCVS: RT @karlwilding: #evidencebigS #bigsociety 350,000 people in the UK are school governors. 8:48 pm davidpidsley: RT @karlwilding: #evidencebigS #bigsociety 350,000 people in the UK are school governors. 9:26 pm danielratchford: RT @karlwilding: #evidencebigS #bigsociety 350,000 people in the UK are school governors. 9:27 pm acareoandy: RT @karlwilding: #evidencebigS #bigsociety 350,000 people in the UK are school governors. 9:34 pm PostFilm: thought-provoking paper on below the radar civil society (#vcs) http://bit.ly /d5N0be (Third Sector Research) #evidencebigs #bigsociety 9:38 pm Ever_Optimistic: Whats the source for this? RT @danielratchford: RT @karlwilding: #evidencebigS #bigsociety 350,000 people in the UK are school governors. 9:52 pm karlwilding: RT @Ever_Optimistic: Whats the source for this? RT #evidencebigS 50,000 people in the UK are school governors < @tonybovaird can u help? October 12, 2010 4:33 am AdurVA: RT @tonybovaird: @DavidWilcox Who shd guide people thru Big Society debate? Self-organising citizens maybe dont need guides, just channels? #evidencebigs 4:48 am AdurVA: RT @commutiny: Some background on "what creates and sustains active citizenship" here > Pathways Through #Participation http://ow.ly/2RxvJ #evidencebigs 5:56 am tobyblume: thnx for #evidencebigs RTs & comments (sorry couldnt keep up!) @Rani_kuk @easyuk @demsoc @sockbook @fezzthoughts @leashless @SEmagreporter 5:58 am tobyblume: thnx also to @CLEStweet @johnhenghan @timjhughes @dansumners @gmbmenetwork @homobil @MrDaveConroy @nmcinroy @catherineNW #evidencebigs 6:02 am tobyblume: stirling effort & good to see @karlwilding @sburall @commutiny @davidwilcox @kairudat @tonybovaird - really enjoyed #evidencebigs 7:36 am commutiny: @tobyblume @sburall @karlwilding Thanks to for all your great contributions at #EvidenceBigS yesterday, was widely appreciated. 7:49 am sburall: Carnegie Rural economy report includes analysis of core council services and thghts abt risk mitigation http://bit.ly/dAnaGH #evidencebigs 7:58 am prestolee: RT @commutiny: @tobyblume @sburall @karlwilding Thanks to for all your great contributions at #EvidenceBigS yesterday, was widely appreciated. 8:18 am karlwilding: @tobyblume @sburall #EvidenceBigS And thankyou too @commutiny I think we did well between us! 8:28 am ModernGovernor: RT @danielratchford: #evidencebigS #bigsociety 350,000 people in the UK are school governors.<<school governors ARE #bigsociety 8:32 am RealMGHarris: RT @ModernGovernor: RT @danielratchford: #evidencebigS #bigsociety 350,000 people in the UK are school governors.<<school governors ARE #bigsociety Powered by WTHashtag, A Microblink Property | Contact21 of 21 12/10/2010 11:48