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  • 1. Engaging with students; in podcast or in person? Elspeth McLean, Staff Development Officer Kath Corrie Visiting Tutor School of Health Sciences University of Liverpool Learning and teaching Conference Jun 29 th 2011
  • 2. The students
    • School of Health Sciences Year One programmes in
    • Diagnostic Radiography
    • Nursing
    • Occupational Therapy
    • Orthoptics
    • Physiotherapy
    • Radiotherapy
    • Approx 280 students in interdisciplinary groups of 13
  • 3. Introduction to Communication for Health Professional Practice
    • On completion of the module, the student will be able to demonstrate knowledge and skills of
    • Appropriate non- verbal behaviour related to the context of professional practice
    • Appropriate verbal behaviour related to the context of professional practice
  • 4. Why include the patient or service user’s perspective?
    • Essential
    • Ethical
    • Effective
    • Enhances the student experience
  • 5. Organisation of module Introductory session is in uni-professional groups . Students asked to listen to podcasts after this session 9 sessions in interprofessional group with a facilitator (plus two e-learning sessions). Each group meets and works with a service users on their 8 th meeting Each group has a wiki where they are asked to post responses to and reflections on their work Final session is uniprofessional Summary of module and arrangements for assessment
  • 6. Why podcasts?
    • Can make all interviews available to all students
    • Can create with a pedagogic intention and promote active learning(Taylor and Clark, 2010, Salmon and Edirisingha,P. (2008)
    • The ‘real voice’ is valued (Taylor and Clark 2010)
    • Students use them (Copley, 2007)
  • 7. Making a podcast of an interview about an encounter with health professionals
  • 8. What it was like
  • 9. Student comments about podcasts
    • ‘ easy to use’
    • ‘ made the task interesting’
    • ‘ helped me pick out key points’
    • ‘ enjoyed the clips from radio programmes’
  • 10. Students learning from podcasts
    • The radiographers should have been communicating with the patient throughout the procedure to keep her calm and not worry her……by communicating with her they would have relaxed her and been able to prevent an unnecessary traumatic experience for a patient in their care
  • 11. Why in person?
    • We know it works and we how to do it– Get Involved projects, partnerships with Knowsley Cancer Support Centre, Pituitary Patients groups , OT Studies
  • 12. What it was like
  • 13. Student comments about meeting in person Summary of question(there were 11) Agree strongly Agree Neither Disagree Disagree strongly n/a Content related to learning outcomes 21 83 75 16 3 0 Teaching methods including website helped me learn 16 43 47 55 35 2 The staff were responsive to my needs 49 94 46 5 2 2 I felt able to ask for help when necessary 62 104 21 7 3 1 The service user session helped reinforce the importance of good communication 106 61 16 8 2 5
  • 14. Student learning from meetings
    • I found the session with the service user more realistic than what we do normally and really helpful to realise how communication can be important
    • Although podcasts /clips we often listen to provide the same message, meeting the service user face to face allowed you to understand their emotion and feelings in greater detail
  • 15. Student learning from meetings cont
    • I think that the main thing that I took from the session was about eye contact, not just making it, but feeling it too
    • I found it really interesting that (our service user) was one of our podcasts…seeing her face to face made it a lot more realistic to me and highlighted the importance of communication and how it actually affects the patient
  • 16. Pro’s and con’s
    • Making podcasts
    • Pro’s
    • Handy for students
    • Can use when convenient
    • Can choose what to keep in
    • Easy to make one that sounds professional
    • Less scary than facing a room full of students
    • Con’s
    • Can’t ask questions or interact
    • Meeting in person
    • Pro’s
    • More impact – ‘realistic’
    • Interaction
    • Can still control situation
    • Can negotiate confidentiality
    • Less scary than facing a microphone
    • Con’s
    • Needs good planning and facilitation
  • 17. Any questions?
  • 18. References
    • Copley,J. (2007) ‘Audio- video podcasts of lectures for campus-based students’ Innovations in Education and Teaching International 44 4 387-399
    • Salmon,G. and Edirisingha,P. (2008) Podcasting for Learning in Universities UK, Berkshire, Open University Press
    • Taylor,L. and Clark,S. ‘Educational design of short, audio-only podcasts: The teacher and student experience’ Australasian Journal of Educational Technology 26 3 386-399