guest3059ee, thank you for expressing your opinion, but can you tell us, specifically, what the 'gaps in logic' are that you think are so 'staggering'? You say that scientific papers written about the fossil are 'full of conjecture and wishful thinking.' Can you be more specific? Also, The issue is not whether Lemurs have changed much over time. How is that relevant to the discussion? The issue is whether Darwinius Massillae is a transitional species, or a very close relative to the transitional species between the Prosimians and the Simians, and how much can we learn about our connection to earlier primates and the rest of the animal kingdom. But, regardless of whether it is a transitional species are not, it’s still an extraordinary discovery. And as Chris Beard pointed out, ..'Ida is a remarkably complete specimen that promises to teach us a great deal about the biology of some of the earliest and least human-like of all known primates, the Eocene adapiforms. For this, we can all celebrate her discovery as a real advance for science. ' And furthermore, I happen to think that 'mankind’s reasoning abilities and discernment' have improved greatly over the years, and that our scientists have done a phenomenal job in helping us to the Universe and Human Evolution.
Please, people -- do some research. The gaps in logic presented in the TV program were staggering. Even the scientific papers written about the fossil are full of conjecture and wishful thinking. At best, if Ida is 47 million years old, she proves that evolution has not changed lemurs very much. At worst, Ida proves that mankind’s reasoning abilities and discernment haven’t grown at all.
What the Scientists on the research team are claiming is that Ida’s species may have developed at around the time that the Prosimians (Lemurs & kin) split from the Simians ( Monkeys, Apes, and Human Beings). The reason for this is because she has features that are present in both groups. If her species came at the time the split occurred then she would be considered as a transitional species. Some scientists believe that her species developed at some time earlier then when the split occurred, therefore they deny that she’s a transitional species. The matter will only be settled after there is further research and debate on the issue.
how would they know for sure? they said it was an ansestor of a monkey that is Thought to be related to us somehow, while other monkeys and apes are still around.
Ida is a , recently discovered, 47 million year old primate fossil,
who was originally thought to be a Lemur-like creature, but
upon closer examination was found to have features that are
strikingly similar to our own. She is, therefore, believed to be
a transitional species between Prosimians (Lemurs and their
kin) and Simians ( Monkey, Apes, and Human Beings).
Ida has been proclaimed as our evolutionary link to the rest of
the animal kingdom. Sir David Attenborough said, “This little
creature is going to show us our connection with the rest of the
mammals.”…”The link they would have said up to now is
missing – well it’s no longer missing.”
Fossil Ida was discovered by an amateur fossil hunter,
in the summer of 1983, at Messel pit, near Frankfurt,
Germany, where she had been preserved in the
oil shale. Interestingly, being unaware of the fossils
significance, the original owner kept it a secret for 20
years.
Messel Pit may
have looked like
this during the
Eocene period
(47 million years
ago).
At the time Ida lived, 47 million years ago,
Messel pit was a volcanic lake surrounded by
sub-tropical forest. Because of its unique
environment, Messel has yielded a good variety
of artifacts, including fossils of insects, bats,
crocodiles and pygmy horses.
Dr Jørn Hurum
Dr Jørn Hurum, Vertebrate Palaeontologist, was the first to
recognize the significance of the fossil. In 2006, Hurum was
approached by a private dealer, Thomas Perner, who offered
him the fossil for $1 million at an annual Fossil and Mineral
Fair in Germany. Hurum then sought to find a natural history
museum able to pay for the specimen. Eventually, Hurum
convinced the Natural History Museum of Oslo to secure it.
The specimen was named after Dr Hurum’s daughter, Ida
(Pronounced “ee-dah”).
Dr Jens Franzen
Professor Philip Gingerich
Following its acquisition, Dr Hurum put together a Dream
Team of Internationally renowned scientists that studied Ida for
for a period of two years to determine its significance.
The team included Professor Philip Gingerich and Dr Holly
Smith of the University of Michigan, along with Dr. Jens
Franzen and Dr. Jörg Habersetzer of the Senckenberg Research
Institute.
The team chose to publish their finding in PLoS ONE, the open
access journal of the Public Library of Science, rather than in the
most prestigious scientific journals. Dr Hurum explained that
he wanted to make the information available to as many people
as possible, without having to charge them.
Because of her extraordinary
preservation, Ida is the most
complete fossil primate ever
discovered, being 95%
complete, with only its left rear
leg missing. Prior to Ida’s
discovery, Lucy was the most
famous primate in the world,
and she was only 40%
complete.
X-rays performed on fossil Ida reveal that she had a fractured
left wrist, which may have contributed to her death. “Scientists
speculate she was overcome by carbon dioxide fumes while
drinking from the Messel lake. Hampered by her broken wrist,
she slipped into unconsciousness, was washed into the lake and
sank to the bottom, where unique fossilization conditions
preserved her for 47 million years.” (Wikipedia)
Based on radiometric dating of
Messel’s volcanic rock,
scientists have determined
that Ida lived 47 million years
ago during the Eocene period.
“During that period, the first
whales, horses, bats and
monkeys emerged, and the early
primates branched into two
groups”.. Alex Watts, Sky
News Online.
The scientific name for Ida’s species is Darwinius Masillae.
The genus Darwinius was named in celebration of Charles
Darwin on his bicentenary. The species was named masillae
in commemoration of Messel, the place where the specimen
was found.
Ida was a small Lemur-like monkey, about 3ft long, from head
to tail. The lack of a bacculum (penis bone) indicates that she
was a female. Scientists believe that she was only 9 months
old when she died (Equivalent to a 6 year old child).
Ida had jagged molars that allowed her to slice food and an
analysis of her gut contents showed that her last meal
consisted leaves and seeds.
Ida is missing two key anatomical features that are found in
Lemurs:
1) Grooming Claw on the foot.
2) Toothcomb in the lower row of
teeth. (Used for grooming fur)
So what are Ida’s human-like features that have
convinced scientists that she is a transitional
species?
1) A short face rather than the long face that is typical
among Lemurs.
2) Forward focusing eyes which probably gave her
3-D, binocular vision.
3) Human-like nails rather than claws.
4) Five fingers with human-like opposable thumbs.
This gave her precision grip for climbing and
gathering fruit.
5) Flexible arms and short limbs.
6) A distinctive ankle “talus” bone. (Which humans
still have)
So, Is Ida (Darwinius masillae ) the so
called “Missing Link” in Human
Evolution?
Scientists say NO – for the following
reasons:
1) There is no evidence to suggest that
Ida’s species is a direct ancestor of
humans.
2) She is only one of many links in the
long chain of Human Evolution.
However,“Ida is a remarkably complete specimen that promises
to teach us a great deal about the biology of some of the earliest
and least human-like of all known primates, the Eocene
adapiforms. For this, we can all celebrate her discovery as a real
advance for science. “ Chris Beard (New Science Magazine)
Explains what Fossil Ida is, how it was discovered, more
Explains what Fossil Ida is, how it was discovered, and how it contributes to our understanding of Human Evolution. Finally, it answers the question whether Fossil Ida is the eagerly sought after "Missing Link" in Human Evolution. less
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