TextFaith Beyond Fundamentalism      & Anti-Fundamentalism:         where do we go from here?
Faith Beyond Stage 1:Four Stages in the Journey of Faith         Text
Sea anemones at 88 feet, natural light
Same sea anemones at 88 feet, with full spectrum light
What you see depends on                                        your available light.Your available light depends on  your ...
Four Stages on   the Journey       of Faith
Is this normal?What should I expect next?          Are we there yet?    Will this be on the test?Why do I need to learn th...
stages  levels  zonesturnings
William Blake - innocence, experiences, higher                                      experience  Soren Kierkegaard - aesthe...
Four Stages  of FaithDevelopment
Stage 1
Stage 1Simplicity
Stage 1
Stage 1           SimplicityYou’re either for us or againstus. It’s all or nothing.
Stage 1
Stage 1           SimplicityFocus: Right or wrong? Good orbad?Motive: Pleasing authorityfigures, being an insider “us”Perc...
Stage 1
Stage 1             Beliefs-everything is known orknowable; there are easyanswers to every question-good authorities/us ar...
Stage 1
Stage 1          AuthoritiesGodlike, God’s representatives,they know and give answers
Stage 1
Stage 1 SimplicityLife is a war.
Stage 1
Stage 1Identity: In my leader or group.Relationships: Dependent or co-           dependent
Stage 1
Stage 1         Simplicity          God is …The Ultimate Authority Figure     or Ultimate Friend
Stage 1
Stage 1           SimplicitySTRENGTHS: highly committed,willing to sacrifice and suffer.WEAKNESSES: May be willingto infli...
Stage 1
Stage 1Simplicity
Stage 2
Stage 2Complexity
Stage 2
Stage 2          ComplexityThere’s more than one way todo things.
Stage 2
Stage 2          ComplexityFocus: Effective or ineffective?Technique, winning, successMotive: Reach goals, beingeffectiveP...
Stage 2
Stage 2            Beliefs:      -anything is doable-there are many ways to reach           the goal-authorities/us are th...
Stage 2
Stage 2         AuthoritiesCoaches. They help you growand succeed with know-how.
Stage 2
Stage 2  ComplexityLife is a game.Learn the rules.  Play to win.
Stage 2
Stage 2          ComplexityIdentity: My cause orachievement.Relationships: Increasinglyindependent.
Stage 2
Stage 2        Complexity         God is …The Ultimate Guide or Coach
Stage 2
Stage 2         ComplexitySTRENGTHS: Enthusiasm,idealism, actionWEAKNESSES: Superficial,naïve, overly pragmatic
Stage 2
Stage 2Complexity
Stage 3
Stage 3Perplexity
Stage 3
Stage 3          PerplexityEveryone has an opinion. Whoknows who is right?
Stage 3
Stage 3           PerplexityFocus: Honest or dishonest?Authentic or inauthentic?Motive: Being honest orauthenticPerception...
Stage 3
Stage 3           Beliefs  -little/nothing is known or knowable; everybody has an             opinion-good people are hone...
Stage 3
Stage 3      Authorities are ...         Controllers         The EnemyTrying to impose easy answers          on the naïve ...
Stage 3
Stage 3PerplexityLife is …                a joke              mystery             or search
Stage 3
Stage 3Identity: In solitude, or among asmall band of similarly alienatedfriends         Relationships: Counter-          ...
Stage 3
Stage 3           PerplexityGod is … mythic authority I’ve outgrown  mysterious reality I’m seeking       or opiate of the...
Stage 3
Stage 3            PerplexitySTRENGTHS: depth, honesty,sensitivity to suffering, perhapsironic humorWEAKNESSES: cynical,un...
Stage 3
Stage 3Perplexity
Stage 4
Stage 4Humility/Harmony
Stage 4
Stage 4       Humility/HarmonySeek first God’s kingdom … loveGod, love neighbors … inessentials unity … focus on afew gran...
Stage 4
Stage 4       Humility/HarmonyFocus: Wise or unwise?Fulfilling potentialMotive: Serve, contribute, makea differencePercept...
Stage 4
Stage 4           Beliefs-some things are known, many are mysteries; life is a quest     -there is no “them”
Stage 4
Stage 4        Authorities               people like me                      imperfect   sometimes doing their best,      ...
Stage 4
Stage 4         Life is ...What you make it (with God’s          help)
Stage 4
Stage 4Identity: In mutual relationshipsRelationships: Interdependent
Stage 4
Stage 4             God is ...Knowable in part, yetmysterious, present yettranscendent, just yet merciful(able to hold tru...
Stage 4
Stage 4       Humility/HarmonySTRENGTHS: May exhibitstrengths of previous stages,plus stability, endurance,wisdomWEAKNESSE...
Stage 4
Stage 4Humility/Harmony
Stage 1
Stage 1Simplicity
Stage 2
Stage 2Complexity
Stage 3
Stage 3Perplexity
Stage 4
Stage 4Humility/Harmony
Doubtoccurs atmargins.
An observation:
An observation: Cults and “bad faith” or “toxic” religion can be seen as groupswhich require people to revert to a Stage 1...
An observation: Cults and “bad faith” or “toxic” religion can be seen as groupswhich require people to revert to a Stage 1...
An observation:
An observation:     Whole denominations orparachurch organizations seem to specialize in certain stages, and   fail people...
An observation:
An observation:   Leaders seldom (never?) leadpeople in a stage beyond their own.
An observation:   Leaders seldom (never?) leadpeople in a stage beyond their own.                       1’s lead 1’s.
An observation:   Leaders seldom (never?) leadpeople in a stage beyond their own.                        1’s lead 1’s.    ...
An observation:   Leaders seldom (never?) leadpeople in a stage beyond their own.                        1’s lead 1’s.    ...
An observation:   Leaders seldom (never?) leadpeople in a stage beyond their own.                        1’s lead 1’s.    ...
An observation:
An observation:Stage 3 is tough on everybody --    leaders and followers.
An observation:
An observation:Jesus models working with people in each stage, and always brings    them farther on the journey.
A question:
A question:How do we minister to people withsuch contrary expectations, needs,       issues, and desires?
A question:How do we minister to people withsuch contrary expectations, needs,       issues, and desires?           A dire...
A question:How do we minister to people withsuch contrary expectations, needs,       issues, and desires?           A dire...
An important reminder
An important reminderThe goal isn’t to rush through the  stages to get to 4 as soon as            possible.
An important reminderThe goal isn’t to rush through the  stages to get to 4 as soon as            possible.Each stage has ...
An important reminderThe goal isn’t to rush through the  stages to get to 4 as soon as            possible.Each stage has ...
disciple Dis*ci"ple, n. [OE. disciple, deciple,OF. disciple, fr. L. discipulus, fr. discere tolearn (akin to docere to tea...
We need churches and ministriesthat help people at all levels ...
We need churches and ministriesthat help people at all levels ...
Four Stages   in the journey of    faith
SIMPLICITY
COMPLEXITY
PERPLEXITY
HARMONY
R     S             N     M                               Q                     E    L            D                   O   ...
R             S    W                N             M                               Q                             E         ...
Four Stages on   the Journey       of Faith
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    1. 1. TextFaith Beyond Fundamentalism & Anti-Fundamentalism: where do we go from here?
    2. 2. Faith Beyond Stage 1:Four Stages in the Journey of Faith Text
    3. 3. Sea anemones at 88 feet, natural light
    4. 4. Same sea anemones at 88 feet, with full spectrum light
    5. 5. What you see depends on your available light.Your available light depends on your depth or stage of ascent.
    6. 6. Four Stages on the Journey of Faith
    7. 7. Is this normal?What should I expect next? Are we there yet? Will this be on the test?Why do I need to learn this?
    8. 8. stages levels zonesturnings
    9. 9. William Blake - innocence, experiences, higher experience Soren Kierkegaard - aesthetic, ethical, religious William Perry - dualism (a,b), multiplicity (a,b), relativism (a,b), commitment (a,b,c)James Fowler - primal, mythical-literal, synthetic- conventional, individual-reflective, conjunctive, universalizingGraves/Beck/Wilber - archaic-instinctive, animist/ tribal, ego-centric-exploitive, absolutist - authoritarian, scientific strategic, relativistic-personalistic - communitarian; systemic-integral, holistic
    10. 10. Four Stages of FaithDevelopment
    11. 11. Stage 1
    12. 12. Stage 1Simplicity
    13. 13. Stage 1
    14. 14. Stage 1 SimplicityYou’re either for us or againstus. It’s all or nothing.
    15. 15. Stage 1
    16. 16. Stage 1 SimplicityFocus: Right or wrong? Good orbad?Motive: Pleasing authorityfigures, being an insider “us”Perception: Dualistic
    17. 17. Stage 1
    18. 18. Stage 1 Beliefs-everything is known orknowable; there are easyanswers to every question-good authorities/us are the oneswho know the right answers-the bad guys/them are wrong
    19. 19. Stage 1
    20. 20. Stage 1 AuthoritiesGodlike, God’s representatives,they know and give answers
    21. 21. Stage 1
    22. 22. Stage 1 SimplicityLife is a war.
    23. 23. Stage 1
    24. 24. Stage 1Identity: In my leader or group.Relationships: Dependent or co- dependent
    25. 25. Stage 1
    26. 26. Stage 1 Simplicity God is …The Ultimate Authority Figure or Ultimate Friend
    27. 27. Stage 1
    28. 28. Stage 1 SimplicitySTRENGTHS: highly committed,willing to sacrifice and suffer.WEAKNESSES: May be willingto inflict suffering or kill.Arrogant, simplistic, combative,judgmental, intolerant
    29. 29. Stage 1
    30. 30. Stage 1Simplicity
    31. 31. Stage 2
    32. 32. Stage 2Complexity
    33. 33. Stage 2
    34. 34. Stage 2 ComplexityThere’s more than one way todo things.
    35. 35. Stage 2
    36. 36. Stage 2 ComplexityFocus: Effective or ineffective?Technique, winning, successMotive: Reach goals, beingeffectivePerception: Pragmatic
    37. 37. Stage 2
    38. 38. Stage 2 Beliefs: -anything is doable-there are many ways to reach the goal-authorities/us are the ones who know how to do it-the bad guys don’t do the right stuff
    39. 39. Stage 2
    40. 40. Stage 2 AuthoritiesCoaches. They help you growand succeed with know-how.
    41. 41. Stage 2
    42. 42. Stage 2 ComplexityLife is a game.Learn the rules. Play to win.
    43. 43. Stage 2
    44. 44. Stage 2 ComplexityIdentity: My cause orachievement.Relationships: Increasinglyindependent.
    45. 45. Stage 2
    46. 46. Stage 2 Complexity God is …The Ultimate Guide or Coach
    47. 47. Stage 2
    48. 48. Stage 2 ComplexitySTRENGTHS: Enthusiasm,idealism, actionWEAKNESSES: Superficial,naïve, overly pragmatic
    49. 49. Stage 2
    50. 50. Stage 2Complexity
    51. 51. Stage 3
    52. 52. Stage 3Perplexity
    53. 53. Stage 3
    54. 54. Stage 3 PerplexityEveryone has an opinion. Whoknows who is right?
    55. 55. Stage 3
    56. 56. Stage 3 PerplexityFocus: Honest or dishonest?Authentic or inauthentic?Motive: Being honest orauthenticPerception: Relativistic, critical
    57. 57. Stage 3
    58. 58. Stage 3 Beliefs -little/nothing is known or knowable; everybody has an opinion-good people are honest about their questions
    59. 59. Stage 3
    60. 60. Stage 3 Authorities are ... Controllers The EnemyTrying to impose easy answers on the naïve Trying to use the naive
    61. 61. Stage 3
    62. 62. Stage 3PerplexityLife is … a joke mystery or search
    63. 63. Stage 3
    64. 64. Stage 3Identity: In solitude, or among asmall band of similarly alienatedfriends Relationships: Counter- dependent
    65. 65. Stage 3
    66. 66. Stage 3 PerplexityGod is … mythic authority I’ve outgrown mysterious reality I’m seeking or opiate of the pathetic masses
    67. 67. Stage 3
    68. 68. Stage 3 PerplexitySTRENGTHS: depth, honesty,sensitivity to suffering, perhapsironic humorWEAKNESSES: cynical,uncommitted, withdrawn,critical, depressed, elitist
    69. 69. Stage 3
    70. 70. Stage 3Perplexity
    71. 71. Stage 4
    72. 72. Stage 4Humility/Harmony
    73. 73. Stage 4
    74. 74. Stage 4 Humility/HarmonySeek first God’s kingdom … loveGod, love neighbors … inessentials unity … focus on afew grand essentials
    75. 75. Stage 4
    76. 76. Stage 4 Humility/HarmonyFocus: Wise or unwise?Fulfilling potentialMotive: Serve, contribute, makea differencePerception: Integrated,synthesizing, sympathetic
    77. 77. Stage 4
    78. 78. Stage 4 Beliefs-some things are known, many are mysteries; life is a quest -there is no “them”
    79. 79. Stage 4
    80. 80. Stage 4 Authorities people like me imperfect sometimes doing their best, sometimes dishonest,sometimes sincerely misguided
    81. 81. Stage 4
    82. 82. Stage 4 Life is ...What you make it (with God’s help)
    83. 83. Stage 4
    84. 84. Stage 4Identity: In mutual relationshipsRelationships: Interdependent
    85. 85. Stage 4
    86. 86. Stage 4 God is ...Knowable in part, yetmysterious, present yettranscendent, just yet merciful(able to hold truths in tension --“paradoxy”)
    87. 87. Stage 4
    88. 88. Stage 4 Humility/HarmonySTRENGTHS: May exhibitstrengths of previous stages,plus stability, endurance,wisdomWEAKNESSES: May displayweaknesses of earlier stages
    89. 89. Stage 4
    90. 90. Stage 4Humility/Harmony
    91. 91. Stage 1
    92. 92. Stage 1Simplicity
    93. 93. Stage 2
    94. 94. Stage 2Complexity
    95. 95. Stage 3
    96. 96. Stage 3Perplexity
    97. 97. Stage 4
    98. 98. Stage 4Humility/Harmony
    99. 99. Doubtoccurs atmargins.
    100. 100. An observation:
    101. 101. An observation: Cults and “bad faith” or “toxic” religion can be seen as groupswhich require people to revert to a Stage 1 status and stay there.
    102. 102. An observation: Cults and “bad faith” or “toxic” religion can be seen as groupswhich require people to revert to a Stage 1 status and stay there. Stage 1 is easier for the leaders and followers … in a way.
    103. 103. An observation:
    104. 104. An observation: Whole denominations orparachurch organizations seem to specialize in certain stages, and fail people in other stages.
    105. 105. An observation:
    106. 106. An observation: Leaders seldom (never?) leadpeople in a stage beyond their own.
    107. 107. An observation: Leaders seldom (never?) leadpeople in a stage beyond their own. 1’s lead 1’s.
    108. 108. An observation: Leaders seldom (never?) leadpeople in a stage beyond their own. 1’s lead 1’s. 2’s lead 2’s and 1’s.
    109. 109. An observation: Leaders seldom (never?) leadpeople in a stage beyond their own. 1’s lead 1’s. 2’s lead 2’s and 1’s. 3’s lead 3’s and 2’s.
    110. 110. An observation: Leaders seldom (never?) leadpeople in a stage beyond their own. 1’s lead 1’s. 2’s lead 2’s and 1’s. 3’s lead 3’s and 2’s. 4’s lead 4’s and 3’s (plus?)
    111. 111. An observation:
    112. 112. An observation:Stage 3 is tough on everybody -- leaders and followers.
    113. 113. An observation:
    114. 114. An observation:Jesus models working with people in each stage, and always brings them farther on the journey.
    115. 115. A question:
    116. 116. A question:How do we minister to people withsuch contrary expectations, needs, issues, and desires?
    117. 117. A question:How do we minister to people withsuch contrary expectations, needs, issues, and desires? A direction:
    118. 118. A question:How do we minister to people withsuch contrary expectations, needs, issues, and desires? A direction:Explore Jesus as teacher … not justin content, but also in method.
    119. 119. An important reminder
    120. 120. An important reminderThe goal isn’t to rush through the stages to get to 4 as soon as possible.
    121. 121. An important reminderThe goal isn’t to rush through the stages to get to 4 as soon as possible.Each stage has lessons to teach, and prepares for the next.
    122. 122. An important reminderThe goal isn’t to rush through the stages to get to 4 as soon as possible.Each stage has lessons to teach, and prepares for the next.
    123. 123. disciple Dis*ci"ple, n. [OE. disciple, deciple,OF. disciple, fr. L. discipulus, fr. discere tolearn (akin to docere to teach; see Docile) +prob. a root meaning to turn or drive, as in L.pellere to drive (see Pulse).] One whoreceives instruction from another; a scholar;a learner; especially, a follower who haslearned to believe in the truth of the doctrineof his teacher; an adherent in doctrine; as,the disciples of Plato; the disciples of ourSavior
    124. 124. We need churches and ministriesthat help people at all levels ...
    125. 125. We need churches and ministriesthat help people at all levels ...
    126. 126. Four Stages in the journey of faith
    127. 127. SIMPLICITY
    128. 128. COMPLEXITY
    129. 129. PERPLEXITY
    130. 130. HARMONY
    131. 131. R S N M Q E L D O K C A F B J G HT I P
    132. 132. R S W N M Q E L D O K CV A F B J G H T I P U
    133. 133. Four Stages on the Journey of Faith
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