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AHS Slides_Denise Minger

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  • 'why anyone NEEDS to eat meals that entail the suffering and death of animals'

    Sounds good in theory, but agriculture (especially large-scale) results in the death of many animals, damage/shifts to the ecosystem, and the use of petroleum products. Just because you're not looking at the product of a dead animal on your plate does not mean none were killed in the production of whatever you are consuming.

    'The Vegetarian Myth' lays out hundreds of pages breaking down the complex interplay between plants, animals, and the death of both necessary to continue the cycle. That said, I don't think anyone disagrees with preventing unnecessary suffering. It's clear that some of the practices of 'factory meat farms' are not great.
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  • Rather than being an argument AGAINST veganism, this seems to be an argument FOR it. Ornish, Esselstyn, McDougall, et al may be lousy scientists, but they have at least demonstrated that veganism is compatible with good health.

    I subscribe to the common-sense principle that it's wrong to inflict unnecessary harm on sentient creatures. Now, we could have a discussion about what the word 'necessary' means, but it seems to me that pleasure, convenience, or taste are not enough to make it NECESSARY to eat animals.

    I've worked at an animal shelter for ten years, and I've been vegan for seven of those years. I believe that there is no ethically-relevant distinction between eating dogs (or cats) versus eating farm animals. My health has not suffered any since I switched to veganism. This paleo stuff is all very well and good (and I've read Taubes's 'Good Calories, Bad Calories'), but I see no compelling reason why anyone NEEDS to eat meals that entail the suffering and death of animals.
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  • I am confused. what vegetarian says our guts resemble herbivores? I think for us it's complex, since we are the only creature who eats cooked food (wrangham), so our guts don't really reflect our food choices, at least in their raw-state. But herbivore is not to be confounded with frugivore/cooked starch or cooked fleshivore- all high energy foods as wrangham says. we are high energy whole foodivores! and can abstain from flesh for it's negative aspects for our spiritual and physical wellfare and our ethical conscience
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  • Excerpt from page 43 of “Eat More, Weigh Less”
  • The very diets that health-conscious veganism is at war with.
  • Ellen G. White
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    • 1.
    • 2. How to Win an Argument With a Vegetarian
      By Minger, Inc.
    • 3.
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    • 5. Vegetarians: Secretly Plotting World Domination
      “Forks Over Knives” movie
      “A Delicate Balance” movie
      “Vegucated” Movie
      “Voyage to Betterment” movie
      “The Idiot’s Guide to Plant-Based Nutrition” book
    • 6. Plant-Based Diet Doctor Squad: Dean Ornish
      Limits sugar, corn syrup, white flour, margarine, vegetable oils, alcohol, and any processed food with more than 2 grams of fat
      Program involves smoking cessation, peer support, stress management, and exercise
    • 7.
    • 8. Plant-Based Diet Doctor Squad: Caldwell Esselstyn
      Forbids vegetable oils, refined grains, white flour, and products made from enriched flour such as bread, pasta, bagels, and baked goods
      Uses statins to bring patients’ cholesterol down below 150
    • 9. Plant-Based Diet Doctor Squad: John McDougall
      Limits white four, refined grains, sugar-coated cereals, soft drinks, processed carbohydrates, fruit juice, and vegetable oils
    • 10. Plant-Based Diet Doctor Squad: Neal Barnard
      Forbids vegetable oils, high-glycemic foods, high fructose corn syrup, caloric sweeteners, and fried starches like potato chips and French fries
    • 11. Hmm… what other diet limits those foods?
      Etc.
    • 12. Lifestyle Differences between Vegs and Omnis
    • 13. Lifestyle Differences Between Vegs and Omnis
    • 14. Lifestyle Differences Between Vegs and Omnis
    • 15. What does that mean?
      Confounders: vegetarianism and veganism usually go hand-in-hand with other health-promoting lifestyle changes, giving them an advantage in observational studies
    • 16. Religious Vegetarians
      Buddhist vegetarian women in Taiwain have significantly increased C-reactive protein, homocysteine, and triglycerides
      "Most western vegetarians include fresh vegetables and fruits as their main source of nutrition and energy, based on health benefits of the foods. In contrast, most Taiwanese vegetarians choose a vegetarian diet because of their Buddhist religion, which teaches a policy of “no killing” Buddhists in Taiwan have a dietary pattern similar to that of most Taiwanese in terms of meal pat-terns and cooking methods, except that they do not include any meat, fish, or poultry in their meals."
      “Taiwanese Female Vegetarians Have Lower Lipoprotein-Associated Phospholipase A2 Compared with Omnivores” by Chih-Wei Chen, et al. in Yonsei Med J 52(1):13-19, 2011
    • 17.
    • 18. But what about the Adventists?
      Vegetarian Adventists consume fewer “doughnuts, coffee, and eggs” than omnivore Adventists
      Vegetarian Adventists tend to have similar health outcomes as Mormons, who are not vegetarian but do abstain from alcohol and drugs and have strong sense of community
    • 19. Top Secret Adventist Info
      Recent re-analysis of the Adventist Health Studies show the fish eaters – not the vegans or vegetarians – have the lowest relative risk for all-cause mortality (0.78 versus 0.89 for lacto-ovo vegetarians)
    • 20. But what about the Adventists?
      Study found that non-vegetarian Adventists eat more doughnuts, drink more coffee, and eat more eggs than the vegetarians
      Researchers’ conclusion: “Among Seventh-day Adventists, vegetarians are healthier than nonvegetarians but this cannot be ascribed only to the absence of meat.”
      “Associations between diet and cancer, ischemic heart disease, and all-cause mortality non-Hispanic white California Seventh-day Adventists” by Gary E. Fraser, American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, Vol. 70 No. 3
    • 21. But doesn’t animal protein melt your bones?
      The argument: animal protein has high levels of sulfur-containing amino acids, which increase your body’s acid load
      Animal protein associated with more calcium excreted in urine
      Vegetarians cite this as evidence animal foods cause osteoporosis
    • 22. The boney truth
      Animal protein is nearly always associated with greater bone density, especially in the elderly
      Most recent meta analysis (55 studies) found no support for the “acid load and osteoporosis” theory
      Vegetarians and vegans oftenhave lower BMD and higher fracture rates than omnivores
    • 23. Other Things
      Evolution: yes, we’ve been eating meat for a really freakin’ long time
      Our guts are not the same as herbivores, especially other primates: our colons shrunk and we (mostly) lost the ability to get energy from fiber
    • 24. Wanna talk ethics or environment?
      Go to the website LetThemEatMeat.com, which intelligently examines the ethical arguments for avoiding animal foods
      Read “Meat: A Benign Extravagance” by Simon Fairlie for a balanced and in-depth examination of plant vs. animal foods on our resources and the environment