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    • Right this is long, but its good to have it layed out to link to people.Found this guy on a chatroom to do with Tolle and awareness and all that stuff, This guy got sucked into the Tolle phenomenon, for 5 years, , i.e. distractions and practicing, and not simply looking to see that you dont exist.A week and half VS 5 years? You decide which method is more efficient.There was actually another chat or two, but that was just me explaining the theory of it.Theres plenty of blogs explaining the theory if your still struggling with that.<br />Adrian:Thu, May 26, 2011 at 8:11 AMI was trying to PM you earlier in the room, and I even saw cat trying to PM you. Anyway, I think you finally chatted with someone in the room who's currently sifting through his beliefs. I've helped him through a few questions/issues that even with his beliefs in Tolle, he seems to even believe in me (for fuck's sake). Anyway, you pretty much know where I'm at in these stages of trying to just see and let go. I was hoping to chat about it earlier, but couldn't get your attention.As cat attempted to do in attempting to get your attention, look to the top of the screen from time to time to see if there are any "extra" tabs - others trying to PM you. I see you got a dose of how some people in the room are with they've experienced. Besides the often times socializing in the room, I'm perhaps looking to move on with just "seeing." Here are some other channels of communication if wish to chat.....or occasionally, you might see me logged on via gmail Hope to chat with you soon.Dan<br />____________________________________________________________________________________________________Thu, May 26, 2011 at 10:36 AMHi Dan, I may as well give a bit of advice here before we chat, we could keep chatting or mailing until you sign up to Ruthless Truth, the reason being is, that there are other liberated people much better than me at this, (some people on Ruthless Truth have alot more experience than me at spotting where the person is hiding the illusion of self)now, heres a couple of tips in the mean time as well....I would advise writing out your thoughts on a notepad file or something ,just any thoughts that come to mind, they are just for you no one else, you can then read over them and try cut out the ego from them, just see them as thoughts that were written as opposed to thoughts that a "you" wrote.As I said before I would also try catching yourself after a conversation, try and see was there a you needed for any of it, or did the words just simply come out? Even just one sentence to someone , you can think to yourself "Hang on, those words came out, I didnt say it" Notice when your walking,do you actually have control over the EXACT movement of the leg? or scratching your head or anything, did it just happen? Or was there a "me" needed for it to happen.You really need to LOOK and FOCUS on reality as often as you can, doing this for a minute or 2 a day wont be enough, (well you might get lucky).You also need to concentrate on this , and not start pondering. Once you start thinking you become distracted. It is also important that if you feel you are getting into a state , i.e. a sort of "This is it, This is it, maybe I see no self, I see no self, im enlightened". Then you need to STOP thinking and get back to looking.When it happens it will be subtle, ah sort of "oh right", realization, but you'll know itll have happened, tbh I was still in denial for a few hours. I guess I was so close at times that I thought I may have only been close again. But , I knew a few hours later, the piece and clarity is undoable. I actually knew straight away but I just didnt believe it yet or something I dont know.But also , in the mean time, heres a blog I wrote that Id love for you to read, well just the first section really.http://theselfisfalse.blogspot.com/2011 ... tened.html . I think you fit the "criteria" but still its just a reminder that honesty and balls are needed.The reason Im linking that is that I had a bad experience with someone else recently who I was chatting to,I got them to sign up to Ruthless Truth and it turned out to be a disaster, the reason was that he simply could not let of the stuff he learned from Tolle and other spiritual leaders etc, the only thing he could resort to was the fact that if he is not liberated then we are not liberated. But believe me, we know the difference. The difference is SO obvious when you do become liberated that you know if someones talking shit or not.Here is the link to that thread in case your interested, I like to show it to people to get them to see why dishonesty will stop you from getting anywhere. Even his his first post is some sort of attempt at being intelligent. No honesty, cause you'll notice other first posts are just simply normal "I want to get this I really do " kind of posts.viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1038It goes well for a while, but when we realize hes not being honest it gets nasty, cause thats the only way you can punch an ego(one thats not even real)Id also recommend reading through some of the liberations on that ebook I sent you. The last few pages of the book are as well, they really got me up for it. This is very real believe me. I test myself every day and it "passes", my problems arent gone but my suffering is completely gone, even if I wanted to I couldnt. This does not mean I dont experience negative emotions, of course I do, but I dont suffer anymore.Anyway , sorry for the long mail keep in touch Dan! I hope you get it!Keep me updated on how your doing sure, but remember only looking and focusing will get you it, even reading all this serves as a bit of a distraction but I obviously had to start somewhere :)Adrian____________________________________________________________________________________________________Thu, May 26, 2011 at 10:45 AMI just thought id Id say one more thing as well, For now you should do yourself a favour and FORGET about enlightenment, forget about anything you've learned about it, the more you know , the more distractions there are, also the more beliefs you've built which in the end means baggage.I was lucky to have no interest in this stuff, but many do , thats fine, they still become liberated if they do it right, but its just important to know that for now, there is only ONE issue that needs to be addressed and thats the fact that there is no you. Simple as that.<br />Fri, May 27, 2011 at 9:59 PMAdrian:You're perhaps right. I may do this soon. As of this email right now however, I'm in bed with a fever. Strange - ever since getting into this spiritual thing, I hadn't been sick in 4 years. Looks like I'm staying home for the weekend. If my eyes don't feel like falling out of their sockets, I'll try to read more stuff (Brutal, your links). Looking forward to reading your "method" for "seeing" on your blog when you finally get it posted. Stay healthy.Dan<br />Sat, May 28, 2011 at 12:03 AMHey Dan, not good about being sick! hope ya get well soon.To be honest, all I will be posting up on the blog is the stuff ive already told you , looking simply involves looking,look to see there is no self, look at reality , maybe Ill have it laid out better. Theres no secret magic pill or recipe. When people are looking they are still thinking thats the problem, there is still a thought.you need to look to see a self isnt required for anything you do, even thought, thought simply occurs. Try not to think of an elephant right now!Well how did you do ? Did you not think of one? I doubt it, there is no controller, no you, just brain responses.You need to look at real objects and see them as proof of existence, like my example with the car, you can cross reference your thought of your car with direct real experience, you cant do that with the self.This is what I mean by beliefs. The way we cracked it was by taking not beliefs for granted, question every single one of them , some can be confirmed as true by getting a direct experience of them with your senses. Others not.I still have certain beliefs that need dismantling but they are not self related. They will fall in time though, the self is a thought feedback loop, this is why people suffer. I will feel all the same emotions as before, but the difference is my suffering over them has stopped, this does not mean i never feel sad or angry, it just means I dont dwell on my emotions or thoughts, they come and go as they should.Most beliefs and thoughts are founded on something real, the self is not.Heres the important bit, You need to jump yourself, no one can push you, I cant push you, no one on RT can push you, only you can jump yourself off that cliff!! You can be lead to the edge but YOU have to jump!stop keeping at arms length, stop observing the process, stop accepting that its an interesting process and get IN THERE and LOOK and do it yourself man!I may have sounded like an RT salesman earlier, but i dont care, this is about freeing you from an illusion, one which you will freely and honestly (I hope) admit to me to you know is only an illusion.Thats why I bring up RT, thats the only reason, the guy who set up the site has never asked for a penny, and all the people liberated since have either walked away and wallowed in their own zen, or helped out by doing what im doing.Im going to help as long as I have the enthusiasm, i dont know how long that will be, it can get disheartening dealing with people, alot of people are happy to live with the lie, thats fine, its something im simply learning to accept at the moment, even BB for instance, real nice guy but I just couldn't have this type of conversation with him. Hes too locked in his Tolle-esque spiritual path, nothing I say will convince him otherwise , nothing, so for now im going to only spend time on people that really are open to this no self thing.I was really open to it too. I feel lucky for thatAnyway dude, i hope you get well soon!Maybe read that a few times, so itll really get through to ya!Keep in touchAdrian___________________________________________________________________________________________________Sat, May 28, 2011 at 12:51 AMhey man I sent this to the guy helping me soon enough before cracking it, I got a bit of guidance and questioning from rt as well"One evening I was just sitting there on my own trying to look and I was nearly convinced I had it, I felt empty, just thoughts and a body,but came to the conclusion that if I "had it" Id 100% know I had, like you said itll be a feeling of "is that it?" But thats not the feeling I got., I get what you mean by look. Stop pondering and just look into the thoughts and the emptiness and the lack of self. Stop wasting time with affirmations and metaphors, in an attempt to remind myself its just a body, and just look."_______________________________________________________________________________________________________<br />Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 4:51 AMAdrian:Still hacking/coughing throughout my night, so sleep is scarce, but but but...today, while driving back from the homeopathic doctor, some thoughts on observation...Driving and sitting at a long red traffic light: "There is no you. What do you mean no you? No you. NO..." Ah, peaceful. The body hacks and coughs. Still, unsually peaceful. Observation of all in front... the late afternoon is rainy and gray... just observation in the foreground, body and thinking close in the background. Integration with all that is seen. Observation of the beautiful gray sky(?). Yes, patterns of grays and blues in the infinite sky. Trees of green on both sides of the road - still, but moving with the slight pushes of the wind. Observing, seeing, just observation. At peace with all that is. "Still, no you." Driving's happening, but automatically... in the background. Seeing, just seeing...This happened while running errands on the way back home today, Adrian.- Show quoted text -<br />my replies are in blue below...On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 6:22 PM, hey man , my replies will be in be blue<br />Adrian:Still hacking/coughing throughout my night, so sleep is scarce,but but but...today, while driving back from the homeopathic doctor, some thoughts on observation...Driving and sitting at a long red traffic light: "There is no you. What do you mean no you? No you. NO..." Ah, peaceful. The body hacks and coughs. Still, unsually peaceful. Observation of all in front... the late afternoon is rainy and gray... just observation in the foreground, body and thinking close in the background.<br />What do you mean by body and thinking close in the background? expand on that bit, im not gonna let you off that easily!! :-)<br />Integration with all that is seen. Observation of the beautiful gray sky(?). Yes, patterns of grays and blues in the infinite sky. Trees of green on both sides of the road - still, but moving with the slight pushes of the wind.<br />Yes this is nice but tell me about no you. Do you exist Dan?<br />Observing, seeing, just observation. At peace with all that is. "Still, no you." Driving's happening, but automatically... in the background. Seeing, just seeing...<br />Again with this background shit, speak more about just seeing and no you.<br />This happened while running errands on the way back home today, Adrian.<br />Cool but im gonna need more info from you!You either have it or your close, you'll know if you have it! Tell me. Go on a big rant about the thoughts in the brain, your experiences, everything , I want to know everything, say it me like I was a 12 year old, no fancy philosophy, no bullshit, just pure raw honesty.<br />Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 11:33 PMIt's as if observing and and a quiet, "being with all" had shifted to the foreground, and at the same time, the body's responses and streaming thoughts - shifted to the background. This is as best as I can explain it right now.<br />Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 11:45 PMOk cool, maybe you are tired from the sickness, etc, iperhaps some sleep is in order. cant tell from your post whether that happened and it went away , or if you are still experiencing that shift.<br />Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 12:03 AMIt went away, after perhaps a duration of 20 minutes. I arrived at home - the seeing stopped. I then became focused on dealing with the neighbor's dog, who'd burrowed under the fence and into our backyard. Apologies, I didn't see the rest in blue. Will answer soon.<br />Yes this is nice but tell me about no you. Do you exist Dan?<br />Conceptually, I know this. No, there is no me. Do I revert back to being me? Sure I do. But I continue many times throughout my day... looking. Many times, while looking, pressures are felt in the head, but continue... looking. Observing, seeing, just observation. At peace with all that is. "Still, no you." Driving's happening, but automatically... in the background. Seeing, just seeing...<br />Again with this background shit, speak more about just seeing and no you. This happened while running errands on the way back home today, Adrian. Cool but im gonna need more info from you!<br />Did the best I could with what I could whip out. There'll be other times, I'm sure.<br />You either have it or your close, you'll know if you have it! Tell me. Go on a big rant about the thoughts in the brain, your experiences, everything , I want to know everything, say it me like I was a 12 year old, no fancy philosophy, no bullshit, just pure raw honesty. <br />Will try to do my best about writing what I see in honesty. I understand a bit more about philo(s) and beliefs vs. honesty, and yes, I AM trying to describe things as seen. I read what you wrote, and it makes sense. With the words I had to quickly describe what was going on, was probably the best I could do at that moment. Close? Maybe. What was experienced was a mere, 20 minute Satori. I can see the validity in working this way... No you, and just seeing. HOWEVER, the 20 minute Satori is proof to me to keep at this. I had a Satori the last time in October, and it'd been a long time before that - working hard to DO certain things, etc. What's discussed via you, RuthlessTruth, etc... is getting results within a few days, thus far. I will keep at this - the knowledge, seeing, etc.<br />___________________________________________________________________________________________________Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 6:29 PMRight man , my replies in blue again.<br />Conceptually, I know this. No, there is no me. Do I revert back to being me? Sure I do. But I continue many times throughout my day... looking. Many times, while looking, pressures are felt in the head, but continue... looking.<br />When you revert back, where are you ? Answer that directly. Try and actually find where you are and tell me.<br />Will try to do my best about writing what I see in honesty. I understand a bit more about philo(s) and beliefs vs. honesty, and yes, I AM trying to describe things as seen. I read what you wrote, and it makes sense. With the words I had to quickly describe what was going on, was probably the best I could do at that moment. Close? Maybe. What was experienced was a mere, 20 minute Satori. I can see the validity in working this way... No you, and just seeing. HOWEVER, the 20 minute Satori is proof to me to keep at this. I had a Satori the last time in October, and it'd been a long time before that - working hard to DO certain things, etc. What's discussed via you, RuthlessTruth, etc... is getting results within a few days, thus far. I will keep at this - the knowledge, seeing, etc.<br />Ok man heres the deal , firstly you needed proof that this may be working? What does that say? It means you are not being honest, cause if you were honest you would simply say "Theres no me, I must fucking see this right now". But no you are still hanging onto enlightenment and results FORGET ABOUT RESULTS.FUCKING FORGET ENLIGHTENMENT. There is nothing in this to "work", it is just seeing something that you already know is true. It is seeing past a lie. Thats what this is all about. If you want to continue living the lie then be my guest.this is not about satoris , this is not about enlightenment, this is not about liberation or anything else. It is not even about results in any way. Its simply about seeing that you dont exist. Why ? Because its the truth. You can acknowledge to me that the self is not real, you know this at the bottom of your heart yet you still feel an illusion. THIS IS YOUR MOTIVATION FOR CRACKING THIS. Because you are living a lie, and you are not happy with living a lie. Nobodys happy living a lie , but you now understand that its a lie, thats the difference between you and others. I couldnt turn around to my mother and start saying this shit cause she doesnt understand shes living a lie so we'd only end up falling out, you do understand this , so it is now your duty as a human to crack this. This is not about spirituality anymore man, its simply about you being pissed off that there you feel an illusion, that you know is not real!Ok , so you experienced a glimpse so your examining the process. That doesnt matter man, do not examine the process to see it. Dive in a push for it. really push for it. There is no fucking you , find it, you wont be able to. Where are your thoughts coming from?Where is all your decisions coming from. Theres no you creating them, they just happen.Ignore it? No , because its not there to ignore.It never was.This is something that is so true that you must look right now to see it. You must look and focus on just that one thing, no you, nothing else, no satoris, no glimpses, results, nothing, purely the fact that there is no you. Thats the only thing that matters. Push for this all the time. It is the only important thing in this whole conversation.Keep at it, push, look and focus, and drop any analysis of this._____________________________________________________________________________________________________<br />Today, seeing there was no 'me', I was able to walk into the supermarket. Typically, there's an impulse to pick up something from the candy or chips aisle. However, the body walked through the aisle, a view of bright colors, yet there was a clarity while walking through the aisle. The desire or impulse to buy anything in this aisle was nowhere to be found - only clarity. There were no snacks or desserts purchased today.The night before, again... there was clarity in driving home. Not much thought needed to drive home. Just... clear. The body and mind took care of itself to go home. And that clarity while doing it. Nothing spectacular... just plain... driving home.<br />Dan man, really push for this, LOOK , you are so fucking close , if not already there! Its nothing spectacular, its just truth, can you see what I mean by that? Its just simple truth of no you! There is nothing wrong with buying snacks or desserts , I love snacks and desserts. The wanting of snacks or desserts has nothing to do with 'you' you see, the lack of desire for them probably came from the overwhelming thoughts and clarity, basically there was just little interest. Ill reply to your post below in blue.<br />Today, seeing there was no 'me', I was able to walk into the supermarket. Typically, there's an impulse to pick up something from the candy or chips aisle. However, the body walked through the aisle, a view of bright colors, yet there was a clarity while walking through the aisle.The desire or impulse to buy anything in this aisle was nowhere to be found - only clarity. There were no snacks or desserts purchased today.<br />Clarity comes from finally seeing stuff for the first time , not through the lens of the self, that self was never there, but it felt like it was and it was this feeling that caused interpretations.There was never a you in any of this, never ever in the life was a you needed.But stop being weird, no harm in enjoying snacks.<br />The night before, again... there was clarity in driving home. Not much thought needed to drive home. Just... clear. The body and mind took care of itself to go home. And that clarity while doing it. Nothing spectacular... just plain... driving home.<br />THIS IS IT MAN, FOCUS ON THAT FACT!! Just the body, the mind, the car, everything simply happening, no you needed to control it.Keep at it man , and share to me where your at, you need to focus on this shit pronto, you're too close to just forget about it now, it would be too cowardly to turn around at this stage and go back to believing something thats not even real!!Share your thoughts man!Do you exist? Answer that!! And go on a big rant so I can see where your at.Nice one!<br />Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 6:06 AMDo I exist? The simple answer right now is, "No." If the body's left foot were cut off, there would be no 'me' to lose. Part of the body could be missing, yet there would be no 'me' in there. If the ability to speak were no longer option, there would be no 'me' that goes away. The mind's concept of 'me', simply doesn't exist. The body and mind that is typing this email to you now has no 'me' in it. The body and mind are merely typing out a message that 'I' don't exist. It is SEEN that a body's fingers are moving/typing in this now, and nothing much else. Or quickly glancing to the window, light coming through a set of blinds is shining through those blinds. When greeting the person that just arrived at home, a mind worked with the body's ability to say 'hi'. Nothing else. Just clear observation.Since working to see that there's no 'me' however, the result in the body has been this constant pressure or headache(s) occurring. Seeing that there's no 'me' though, takes focus right now. There's no turning back. The experiencing freedom is now the focus. This is in comparison to the past, as a once controlled, 'my body', 'my mind', and 'my thoughts' - which seemed to continually perpetuate uncomfortable, alien feelings in the body and mind - feeling limited, feeling dis-ease (or un-ease). There's now freedom, standing outside of a building in the middle of the night. All is simply observed - without judgment, without fear(s) and just enjoying a clear moment to moment. Before that? It'd probably go something like this: "What the fuck am I doing out here? It's not safe here these hours. What if someone comes after me? Tries to mug me? I'm ready to fight him. I'm a tough guy. HE'D better be ready." Fear... fear... tension... fear. So what happens today when seeing the world? Just seeing. Looking. Thoughts surfacing but now... just seen as thoughts. On a small scale however, there are thoughts from the past that do surface, and they feel overwhelming. A breakup of a relationship surfaces, and when there's communication with the ex, there are feelings of wanting her to be gone - wishing never to see her again. This is one of the challenges seen as a degree of higher difficulty. Otherwise, there's pressing on, ensuring - trying hard to see there's no me in this.<br />Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 7:47 AMWell man I think you nailed that motherfucker! i gotta go but I'll reply this evening.Remember though, engage in life and enjoy it, problems arise, and let them, dont be disappointed over a negative thought, it will arise and quickly dissipate, it wont consume you thats the difference, and believe that is huge fucking difference.Just enjoy it for the day, I kinda dwelled on stuff in my first few hours.Although I still wouldnt mind getting you do describe what happened. Cause im still not sure, seeing no you shouldnt take focus at all, it just be so blatantly obvious that you cant turn back on it.Thats the thing that confuses me in your post, so maybe you've to keep looking, but you know the score, you know what you've to do , its so obvious now that you cant turn back.Talk soonAdrianme: Hi Dan hows thingsD: not bad. got your emailhow are things with you?11:39 PM me: good!so about the email? i may just copy and paste the questions again right here! what you think?D: sure.we can chat here if you wish11:40 PM me: yea cool , i just meant copy and paste them cause im too lazy to write them out again!Now I just gotta see for real where your at, so please answer these directly, are you free?, is there a feeling of being free?D: ok... yes....feeling free?11:41 PM it's as if thoughts have no 'me' to attach to... and there's this freedom...11:42 PM freedom most thoughts that may arise, even what used to be a stress or fear response from the body.hmmmmm11:43 PM as i see things in front.. in the room,it's not as if things had changed, but there's a clear, freedom from just looking around the room11:44 PM it's as if judgment had disappated11:45 PM judgements, thoughts arise, but it seems it has nothing to attach to, like being on the 2nd floor of a home, and watching traffic go by, from a peaceful standpoint...11:46 PM fears go by as just something... seen11:47 PM me: cool, so what do you think man, whats your own opinions on this shit? what happened with the satori thats different to now? Can you go back on this like you did the satori?ill copy and paste more in a sec, just thought of that one there11:54 PM D: opinions? hmmmm as there has been this almost immediate feeling of this comfortable clarity within 1.5 weeks, i see that RT's combination of 'no you' and 'just seeing', really opens the door wide open to freedom. i see that this has really gone beyond spiritual books and traditions. going back on the satori, the feelings of freedom happen more often, that the possibility is seen this is blending into living life... no longer just... satori.11:57 PM looking hard to see 'no you', and 'seeing', there seem to be headaches or pressure in the head the past week.is this normal?me: Im not sure , you see im not sur if your there11:58 PM it seems your making something obvious and simple into something difficultyes there a pressures and even headaches but the battle should feel overthats why im not sure if your there11:59 PM are you still battling with something fictional? i.e. the self?12:00 AM the headaches etc are PRIOR to cracking itbut they're not really headaches as such, just that tired feeling of pushing too hard, funnily enough it actually only takes a second to lookthis is what I was hoping you'd seen!12:01 AM D: i understand....i'm uncertain of a battle....knowing there's no methere's nothing to battle WITH12:02 AM me: nice, very nice, but do you still feel these headaches and shit? you sure your not just sick or something? honestly!D: ha! right lol12:03 AM while seeing this whole thing through, the body was recovering from the flu lolthe cough just stopped happening yesterdayme: lol12:05 AM like im just worried your just having a load of satoris or something, like you mention 'freedom being felt many times a day', its just freedom from self really, nothing amazing , just obvious more than anything.12:06 AM D: well let's put it this way....12:07 AM there are times when i see that thinking is required - i.e. problem resolving for practical purposes, reading instructions, that thinking needs is brought forth more than ever,12:08 AM yet when it's no longer required,ahhhhhhhhfreedom is thereyes...12:09 AM it sounds as if it's mulitpile satori's a day...it's the wording perhaps...me: no noi think your done man12:10 AM nothing wrong with having to use the mind for practical things, you have to engage in life, seriously, do you wanna be like Tolle and sit on a park bench for 5 months, or do you wanna engage in life.Im just gonna copy another question or 2actually before I do, just another point on that12:11 AM You must remember cracking no self is the trigger, the rest of it is fun, will it always be nice ? NoWill yo have doubts ? YesBut can you honestly and truthfully tell me that you now know something you didnt before?12:12 AM that one you gotta answer yourself12:13 AM D: do i know something that i didn't before? yes...12:14 AM that freedom has never been this easy12:15 AM this DID happen with Tolle's books, but again, satori's... and spread out over years.....almost 5 to be exactand engaging with you and RT's non-spiritual way. my God! why did i never know this before12:16 AM me: ha, its really simple shit isnt it? there was never a you to look for presence, never a you to have to do anything in lifeD: i am SO grateful for corresponding with you on this, Adrian12:17 AM me: well there is one way you can 'repay', by simply getting this through to othersalso a little help on RT wouldnt go astray, do you see why I was coming across as a salesman before, there are people that are really good at freeing people and they are great at giving advice12:19 AM D: as you might see as we're chatting/corresponding, there may be a need to develop a bit more on communication/communicating... i'd perhaps be more than happy to jump in some time, yesso in viewing this...12:20 AM this is not about self-development. this is about self-dimnishment.12:21 AM *diminishmentme: remember man, you were never getting rid of anything, nothing to diminishjust seeing that it was never thereD: ok. yes. of course12:22 AM me: do you see this? you aint just agreeing for the sake of it? It should be obvious!12:23 AM D: yes.....you're absolutely right....there WAS no self to whittle away at. you're right!12:24 AM me: self improvement goes out the door with this stuffas does trying to ignore or whittle away itjust gotta ask another question thoughD: sure12:25 AM me: what actually happened? can you pinpoint back to a moment in the last day or 2 whatever? What was going on right before it? and right after, basically how did you look?12:27 AM D: looking seems to be the norm but....perhaps last night, while driving to pick up groceries.... i'd mentioned something similar to this before...12:28 AM it was seeing without fear(s), and the body and mind doing naturally driving to a destination....and without judgment of good or bad, although plain....12:29 AM an overall good can be sensedagain, even if described as plain, the feeling is 'wonderful'.12:30 AM me: cool, but what happened regarding the 'you' while driving? like you said to me in an older chat when I asked to find the self, you said 'I see no self'. But you werent done then, whats the difference now?12:31 AM D: ah yes... back then perhaps... it was more of an investigation...experiment and oh, this is what's happening....12:32 AM repeated over and over....now?it's now automatic that there's no you...(no me)12:33 AM and clarity aboundsme: cool your fnished!! enjoy it! it cant go away, it may be turbulent for a while but it cant go away12:34 AM D: thank you again, Adrian. the door to freedom is wide open12:35 AM me: no problem, i hope you come and help at RT, treat it like a 'training ground', where you can be shit at liberating people cause so theres so many others there to help, then you can try out people, for instance on that chat where I met you, that crowd might get it no? Or is it possible they aint as honest?12:36 AM D: well? there's one in the room who seems to wish to explore... with you...k12:37 AM me: ok cool , send them to RT, ill chat with him myself as well.12:38 AM im gonna copy and paste the mails and the first bits of this chat on RT ok?D: sure1:08 AM only fair, others need to helped and thats how this thing works , hence me sending you links to liberationsnot to mention Brutal Beginnings, a book of liberationsanyway ill let you go , i chat on this shit too much1:10 AM D: ok Adrian. thanks againme: npD: bye for now1:11 AM me: see you man, bye!<br />(thread continued after that with more confirmation)<br />Instead of copying in the whole thread Ill just put up Dans confirmation pieces (the thread is linked above this word file on the blog anyway.<br />So here’s how I see things these days – I’m out there in the world, looking, and that seems to be all that’s needed. Seeing what’s in front of me - what’s happening in front of me now, my body and mind now become apparent. As I’m enjoying all in front of me, the body’s responses and the mind’s thoughts, judgments, are just coming and going. For me, clarity is up front, and mind and body are in the background, taking care of themselves. From dwelling in clarity, the mind and body do its thing, on its own. It’s peaceful clarity I feel.An example of just listening, yesterday, a neighbor came over to talk about moving to his new home, the details of it, why he was moving, etc. It was rather pleasant to be able to listen to someone without judgments, only responses to his questions and his pointing things out. A moment in reality, a moment without ‘me’. And even having to cut the conversation short, because of commitments, there’s no judgment that it’s time to move on to something else.If I could explain how the process has worked for me, here’s how I see it. First, in seeing that there’s no me, I am removed from being in the mind and the body – what I’ve always referred to as ‘me’. And what’s left? There’s no ‘me’ in seeing, it is just pure seeing. When looking at reality, objects in front me – definitely no me in those objects, becoming a mirror of being ‘no me’, the result of this awesome feeling of being integrated with reality. Can it be easily explained here as I have here in black and white? Maybe not. You have to know and experience it for yourself. On the other hand though, do I still get pissed off? Do I still react to people? Yes I do. Recently, there was someone who was just getting on my nerves, which finally I had to just remove myself from that person. Normally, I would continue stewing over someone, and yeah, the energy of anger comes up, but through seeing, the anger has already lost its intensity and is now practically a non-issue. About the satori’s, the truth is, they don’t mean shit. I can tell their story, but do they mean anything right now? No. They don’t help to me see at all right now – things of the past. And they’re not in front of me to see right now. No longer in my reality. It was back then – not at all what’s happening right now. And looking back at the satori’s, the process for me needs to be worked at continually, not just for a mere 20 minutes at a time. So am I liberated? If continually seeing, yes. Am I finished? Maybe not. In working this process, I honestly think that I do have to keep at it, as simple as this process is.<br />Second post after a few more questions....<br />"Who the fuck are these shit birds, claiming that it's easier done than said in all the pretty, magical spiritual books?" Oh yeah, hell yeah, I tried this - with folded arms and loaded up with skepticism. And if you were all wrong? You betcha, there probably would've been some vomiting of some serious negative shit about RT to people. But what the fuck happened? Investigation, STILL skeptical, but really giving it a try. And within a few days of correspondence? "wylo's not bullshitting me. It's working. Motherfucker's on to something."Could there be a self? Been conditioned to be ME most of my life. Perhaps I began to learn to be me/I/mine/myself since early titty-sucking days. It's been said that from infancy, you experience a sense of oneness with your mother. From months 5 to 12 however, the separation anxiety begins - it seems that most learn 'self', just by being born human.If it weren't for wylo asking me to step up here, I would've been just as grateful to him, then continuing on being not-me. And would I help others? There are several in person I discuss this to now. Writing up stuff here on forum, blogs or otherwise, just isn't preference for me. But while I'm here now, I'd like to say that RT, you guys are doing a damned good job at whittling all down and showing liberation to people, without having to pay $$$$ to go see some spiritual leader in uncomfortably crowded places, going home miserable, and still not even close to knowing liberation. Bravo RT, you're doing more than well.<br />