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^^^^^^ The Pupose of LifeAvadhesh Varshneya • Please reada book called "Autobiography of aYogi" by Swarmi Yoganand. Thebook summarily answers all thequestions of yours.24 days ago • Like •2Follow venugopalvenugopal maganti • I believe that the primary purpose of life is to re produce and keep the speciesgoing ,like all other animals.The more important purpose,as humans, is to improve lives of as manypeople as possible,whether or not they related to you,.The universe exists to support the earth,whichalone can support life.The question of life on other planets will be a matter of conjecture forever.,for,man is an animal with infinite capacity to dream and imagine.23 days ago • Like •1Follow Ravi KantRavi Kant Maheshwari • Ravi Kant Maheshwari • I am also excited to know opinions.....keep onposting..23 days ago • Like •
1Follow SteveSteve Dufourny • Hi Dear all,I beleive humbly that we are catalyzers of the universal 3D sphere. Inside this sphere, we have a center,the most important sphere.After we have the cosmological fractal with the moons, the planets, the stars,the BH, the groups of Super BH .......we have also inside this sphere, quantum spheres, coded since thebegining. The evolution is a road of optimization towards the eternal creativity. We are still young atthe universal scale. 13.7 to 15 billions years, it is young still. All is light in fact, a light became mass onthe line of time. All is composed by the same essence, spheres turning .....If we are on Earth , there are reasons, we are catalyzers of spherization and harmonization. Theconsciouness and the intelligence are tools of spherization and harmonization. All is linked since thebegining....23 days ago • Like •2Follow ChiranjeeviChiranjeevi Tallapragada • Thank you @Avadesh. I will check it out. I would also be interested inknowing from common people like us how they feel about life. Sometimes whenI flood the dish to drain out ants I feel may be someone is also drainingus out. May be we are also one sort of bacteria some spoiling and somecleaning up or rejuvenating the earth. What are we in someone elses eyes(like may be god?)23 days ago • Like •2karthikeyan arumugathandavan • Chiranjeevi, interesting topic........ to share a similar thought, when we are forced chase the ants of many types in many situations , Iused to wonder One mug of water is complete flooding for them and a bucket poured is literalTsunami ..!!But could we adjust to live, as suggested by some schools of thought to accommodate all beings &creatures ...... next to impossibility.The compromise is the purpose of life .23 days ago •3
Follow jayendrajayendra upadhye • Chiranjeevi Tallapragada:I am a fence sitter. Neither religious nor irrligious. Let me explain. Do you know the mayawadis ..howthey say "Neti-Neti" or "Na-iti", meaning "this is not it".I prescribe to it in my own way ..not all of science nor all of religion!What I like about the Rigveda is its Nasadiya sukta, where the concept of the beginning of time andspace is described. It states that before Cosmos evolved out of Chaos, there existed a single entity theveda calls Hiranya Garbha. "The one with light within". It is interpreted as the Brahmanda or thecosmic egg.Formal religion loses its bearings in such an era. Where time and space have no meaning, when chaospervades all. Described as "Gahanam agbhiram Saleela", the water of space. Narayan (the one whocame over the waters - of space), is the god underpinning Brahma. (Narayan is no doubt a lateraddition).here is a good translation in english...from wikipedia.Who really knows? Who shall declare it here?Whence was it born? Whence issued this creation?Even the Gods came after its emergence.Then who can tell from whence it came to be?None knows when creation has arisen;Whether He made it or did not make it,He who surveys it in the highest heaven,Only He knows, or maybe even He knows not.Hinduism is the only religion that asked such questions thousands of years ago. No wonder Sankhyasgodless creed developed here. (impersonal formless god).Read the real sukta here and may be you will get some answer.This ekam eva advitiya was infested with Ahankara (awareness of the self, ego) and it thought "I amone let me be many" and that started the world.In such a scenario, there will be many like us, at other places in the cosmos, some much more ancientthan us!23 days ago • Like •3Follow jayendrajayendra upadhye • Now using Neti-Neti, switch your position and go the scientefic/logical way.Penguins, to impress their females gather stones all around their legs. The lady-penguin is impressedwith the guy with most stones. The guy thinks "hey I am rich"! Presto, the lady uses the nest to breed.Both are happy. They breed, raise young and die. The stones are forgotten.Now look at humans ..they amass riches and power, (stones on a beach), impress women, raisechildren, fight some wars (sangharsh), win some lose some, then die.The riches stay back, are used up and gone.Who gains? What is the gain?I sometimes feel it is all a jaal. The ultimate gainer is the impersonal collection we call the species.People come and go, the only objective is the simplest one! Perpetuation of the species.
And higher up somewhere, the super organism GAIA straddles the planet in splendid isolation. It plans,It plots, Its ultimate purpose entirely out of our puny ambit, and drives life throughout. Kasmai devayahavisha vidhema?Who is this GOD, that we shall worship?23 days ago • Like •2Follow jayendrajayendra upadhye • The sukta link...http://www.astrojyoti.info/NasadiyaSuktam.htm .23 days ago • Like •Follow ChiranjeeviChiranjeevi Tallapragada • Thank you @Jayendra. Some I understood some I didnt. May be that iswhy Iasked this question. As they say one who knows wont have any questions andone who doesnt know also wont have any questions.I liked your Penguins example. The only difference is both men, women aswell as children are after the pebbles in case of human beings.There is this movie In Time. Where everyone remains young but lives onlyfor one year after they are 20. The transactions are all in terms of time.Very interesting concept. Everyone spends the time left to gain time sothat they can live longer. I wonder if this is the purpose of life on earthto keep working to extend ones life. Those who have plenty of time dontknow what to do with their time. Theirtime goes in protecting that nobody steals their time. It sounds funny whenseen in this way. But how different is real life anyway?23 days ago • Like •1Follow venugopalvenugopal maganti • I am no fence sitter,and the universe is supposed to have started from soonya,--apoint which has no dimensions,but from it emerge lines,figures in 2,3 and multi dimensions-and theentire universe-when did this happen?from the dimension less point emerged the universe in an infinitely tiny fraction of a second,and that is the beginning of the cosmic time scale,on which ,again theappearance and extinction of human beings is ,but a small fraction-and when does it end,and how?itwill go back in to the dimension less point,from which it once emerged,again in a tiny fraction of asecond--and when?when the cosmic time scale decides to stop--and who decides?the same one whoinitiated the creation--whether that some body exists or not,is a question with out answer--one should
ask him/her self,what gives a person conscious ness,and what happens to it ,when he leaves the world--it is an oscillating pendulum,between life and death ,with no resting point--only life and death arecertain,and even that appears to be a maya,if you think too much--that is why mere mortals like me arehappy with a simplistic explanation,AS I MENTIONED IN MY EARLIER COMMENT and carry onwith my work in the time left for me on this great earth(I,WHO?)23 days ago • Like •1karthikeyan arumugathandavan • .-( then ) .......What is the purpose of the Universe ?!?!23 days ago •Follow jayendrajayendra upadhye • Karthikeyan, mere mortals dont bother with that question.But it is entirely possible that if there is a creator, the purpose may be so alien and lofty, we wontaccept it even if someone were to tell it.Read "Childhoods end" (Clarke / Aldiss). It is powerful SF.It deals with this question.22 days ago • Like •Follow SyedSyed Imam • I think answer to this question is that its a test for us and who pass will be rewardedHeaven and failure to this test will thrown to Hell22 days ago • Like •1Follow UjwalUjwal Jha • I find this post a bit Childish. Young people like to ask these question, there is no answer tothis question however there are many people searching for the answers everyday. We do have betterunderstanding to the world we live.To understand this we need to know what we are, you may not enjoy to learn that we humans are! Weare the most dangerous virus, and as we know that the viruses (most of them) are tuned to use theavailable resources and grow as fast as one virus can. We are doing the same, consuming the resourcesas and growing our population.
If you look at scientific researches made through out the history until today has two basic purposes.1. Provide human longer life. Which of course has got lots of success as well. We live twice as longerthan just 100 years ago our ancestors could even imagine.1. Find ways to travel faster. If we want to know what is around earth and what is in our solar system,we must travel faster. We have had great success in knowing about our solar system.There is nothing called Grand Design of GOD. Life is evolved. There are 16 episodes of The universeseries on History Chanel. Watch them ....... It has latest information from different Probes in Spaceupdated till 2010.If the knowledge of these discoveries becomes common, most of religion will lose its holds. But thetruth is truth. We are a kind of virus and we need more and more resources to live comfortably andhealthy so that we can travel faster and gather all the resources available in the universe.22 days ago • Like •1karthikeyan arumugathandavan • .-Ujwal,I think about religion / tradition / culture on this subcontinent , you have unscientific view. All Indianpractices have a very strong scientific basis .There are many many examples ..........!!22 days ago •4Follow jayendrajayendra upadhye • Ujawal.." travel faster and gather all the resources available in the universe. " anddo what?THAT was the question.What is the purpose of life on earth? Why does the universe exist? Does anyone or anything else knowsabout existence other than us?Truly speaking, we dont know the answer.If self replicating DNA evolved into what we are today, WHY did that happen? Sirely there needs to bea purpose?You can understand the uselessness of ear sleep breed die cycle after cycle..surely?22 days ago • Like •1
Follow jayendrajayendra upadhye • We need to know the higher purpose. Some claom to see it. Others theorize only.But try we must.Even if childishly.22 days ago • Like •Follow jayendrajayendra upadhye • Syed Imam:I have nothing against religion, but...What is the point of sending people to eternal damnation and eternal heaven?That would be a sheer waste of resources. Even for god!Furthermore, a god who makes us, and whom you call Rahim (merciful), why the heck would hebehave llike some D company Don, being judgemental on his own creation!What would be the difference then in such a vengeful angry god and a village hegemon?Break out of this shell of human values plastered on a god.A universal god is above all this. Has to be.Vedic aryans had these jealous gods (Indra). European aryans had Thor and Odin.But later the Indian aryans realized their error and talked of the one god that is all encompassing.Even later, came the nirishwarvadis godless creeds who were equally respected. Buddha himself didnot advocate any god.He stressed more on Pancha-Shila.Something akin to a chinese religion that stresses more on right actions.THAT is nore honest than saying god will eternally damn or reward some one for their actions.THAT leaves NO room for improvement / refornation.Yes the concept of Tauba is there, but what of prople who never repent? Eternal hell?Karma siddhanta atleast holds out promise of salvation even to the damned of the damned.21 days ago • Like •2Follow jayendrajayendra upadhye • Good Zinnia M, but it pains me when perfectly well educated people stick to this"angry god heaven hell" stuff just as an article of faith. I expect educated people NOT to take anythingas just "articles of faith" Afterall here we are, discussing higher things and here is "alice in wonderlandstuff"! Its a bit difficult to sromach once we see that historically these heaven / hell guys have betweenthem killed more people than most other religions. The Bible with its inquisition, and crusades, andIslam with its sowrd. The massacres in India are legend. Are we to endure these things again and again?Akbar the greats massace at Chottod after Haldi Ghati is famous. And so is Nadir Shahs at Delhi.There is something barbaric and uncouth about this pious heaven / hell bullshit, and someone has tocall a spade a spade. Enough of Nehruvian hypocrisy of sugar coating things and calling all that"historical ties"! All I can say is "My foot"!
21 days ago • Like •Follow venugopalvenugopal maganti • I find odd comments like childish--,a bit too harsh--for thosands of years,Indiansspent millions of hours on this subject and concluded that every thing you feel,see and enjoy ismomentary and later a myth.Every thing is dependent on mans imagination,invention,and through hisconstant endeavor man has always tried to modify,nature ,rather than adapt and live with it in peace.Ifthe chinese had advanced science and maths ,back in 4th or 5th centiuries,the europeans re discoveredthe likes of telescope,only in 14 th century from the chinese version--and the Indians had astronomyand maths with them for thousands of years--while the animal lurking in the man always tells him tolive to feed and re produce,even at the expense of others,religion,philosophy,culture,traditions,andcivility tried to reign in these animal instincts,and hence this 7 billion population today--simultaneously,Indian philosophy sought to put the limitations and illusions of human mind throughseveral texts in perspective,which were developed by the best possible minds over thousands of years.A regular example quoted is ,there are a thousand earthern pots with water,and in each pot the Sun ispresent--its image gives you the impression that the sun is present in each one of them--and this is theillusion,that the man feels,as he is himself the earthern pot(body) ,and the conscious of self being theimage,the Sun here represents the universal/cosmic conscious,which itself can be an illusion,andconsequently,the image in the earthern potBy the way,I too am an engineer,and know that science has improved human life,and has given it manypleasures--but,it also threatens to destroy the species,and whether we will bequeath anything to futuregenerations ,again depends on the wisdom of humans--science,my friends,is no gospel of truth,andoften contradicts it self--and the knowledge TV channels also dish out several programmes on Egyptianmummies,allegedly based on re search by western scholars,re searchers,and intellectuals--the visualimpact of all those stars exploding,formation of earth,moon,evolution of life etc,, are theories,myfriends,there is no video of the original events--yes,they give you enough logic,and create the illusionin audience that what they propose is absolutely true and nothing but true--what they do not show,however are the views of a plethora of scientists,who oppose these views as mere imagination,and full offalse assumptions--if theory of relativity it self is disputed,what else can be an etenal truth?And by theway,ALBERT EINSTEIN was no atheist--why?Be cause science helps you only to understand nature and not create it--and to day,as now sciencesays,the axiom that energy can not be produced or destroyed,but can only be transformed from oneform to other--it self stands contradicted,with big bang theory--no body is sure,whether energy gotcreated first,or matter,as they are both interchangeable.Lets keep science and religion separate,but Imust remind you,both are dependent on faith of their followers21 days ago • Like •karthikeyan arumugathandavan • Venugopal.........Nice posting there but please have one point for further thoughts / consideration................ as far this sub-continent is concerned, religion was and is Science !!
21 days ago •Follow VivekVivek Srivastava • The purpose of life is to live on this earth enjoy the resources without any damage tonature or hurting anyone.If you enjoy your life your creator will also feel happy ( Like a parent feelhappy if Kids are happy ).why some one created this life system , to my understanding its all tomaintain the flow of life itself, thats why the reproduction capabilities.There is no sperate Heven orHell , its all in this life only.there are five mahaboot which controls the life - kaam, krodh, lobh, mohand ersya.for more information please refer book Gita.21 days ago • Like •1Follow SyedSyed Imam • @ Jayendra, Yes Allah is Rahim, but also He is the best Judge, and in law Good and Evilcannot be equal, and according to law Evil is bound to be panalised for his acts. You are free to haveyour own views.21 days ago • Like •Follow jayendrajayendra upadhye • Syed thanks for the magnanimous "allowance"!21 days ago • Like •Follow SyedSyed Imam • Its my "pleasure" Sir21 days ago • Like •Follow jayendrajayendra upadhye • Imam..My problem with "He is the best Judge, and in law Good and Evil cannot be equal, and according tolaw Evil is bound to be panalised for his acts." is that who is to say what is good and bad?THIS attachment to heaven / hoors / hell can have devastating results as many in Pakistan are learningevery day.I attended a show titled "Islam religion of peace" by a man muslims idolise. (Zakir Naik).
At the end of the show, a fellow got up and asked Zakir.."I have a hindu friend who is pious, takes careof his parents, has no vices like smoking and drinking, is kind to all, will he go to heaven?"..and thencame the Zakir Gem.Please consider Zakirs answer and why I hate "heaven hell" preachers / believers.Zakir said."That hindu will go to hell, simply because he is not a muslim! He is failing to offer Namaz 5 times aday. Plain and simple".I was stumped by the arrogance of that statement.Islam has killed thousands simply because they were not good enough as they were not muslims.(Hajjajs order to Mohammad Bin Qasim that he was being too easy on the Kaffirs and the massacres atDebal and Brahmanabad).Christians under Cortes and Pizzaro decimated whole civilizations in south America and plunderedtheir gold. All because the natives were NOT christian and so were good enough for the kill.What happened in 26/11 and who were the planners every one knows.Can you negate all that?We all know who perpetrated the kiilings in Bangladesh and why. One of the politicians in Pakistan hadgloated during the killings "aaj Iman taaza ho gaya". (Reodad Khan 1971). Wah! kya iman hai..jo logonko marte dekh taza hota hai !!THIS blood lust can come only in people who believe in heaven/hell and not to forget, the 72 hoorswaiting for them in heaven if they kill people declared vajib-ul-qatl"(ex:- salman taseer)THIS is my opposition to jahil thoughts of heaven / hell.21 days ago • Like •Follow jayendrajayendra upadhye • Imam:Crime and its punishment by Allah apart, what is your take on the three questions posed byChiranjeevi?Just turning the beads of the rosary and going to heaven and enjoying hoors / twanging a silly harp"forever" could not possibly be the answers.Any thing more concrete than that?21 days ago • Like •Follow UjwalUjwal Jha • Sorry for harsh words. I did not mean anything. Friends.... I know what you do not want toknow and have very little knowledge. Even if I pest link of references, but you wont consider becauseof the situation you are in.Let me put it this way. Do we know what is life mean on earth? Life as we know it .... created by godand which is why we had lots of myth. We believed that the earth is in center and our early scientistswere killed or jailed because it was a threat to religion and god. Today its almost gone.
We or any other species are basically an energy transforming device. Our job is to harvest energy. True,modern scientific researches has destroyed many species. So it will be worse in future because the newunderstanding is very different. We human need more and more energy. We are growing on rapid speed.To secure the required energy we will take away all the animals from planet earth.I know you do not like to hear that but I am telling you what you would see after 50 years. For anexample cow collects energy and gives us back in the form of milk and beef. But cow as an energytransforming device is not very efficient, or not as efficient as we can make our own, result they willnot be allowed to live on earth for too long because we need efficient tools. It is the future science, youlike it or not but it will certainly happen.Just today Netherlands has decided to ban all kinds of Halal meat. Things will change rapidly andpeople wont go against it because that will give human a longer life. If you are not biased and followthe modern method of life, you may live up to 125 years.The reason we need longer life and faster travelling device so that we can explore the universe. Withthis life spam and speed of travel we cant go far. Which is why if you look at the scientific researchesmade in last two decades are generally to answer two problems.1. How can we live longer?2. How can we travel faster??I am born in a Brahman Family. I am well aware of Hinduism and its ideology. I like to see tomorrow. Ibelieve that every thing has its life and religions are about to finish their life cycle. It is probably not sogreat but Islam is certainly challenged very strongly, the future of any religion is not bright.21 days ago • Like •Follow UjwalUjwal Jha • I had a Poem in my high school Hindi book.Fir kya hoga uske baad?Ravi se Ujjwal, shashi se sundhar nav badhu ghar aayegi,Fir kya hoga uske baad??What will happen next? The boy goes on asking this question and finally mother gets annoyed andsays.Fir may mar jaungi....She says she will die out.So the question what is the purpose of life has got very similar answer. Right now the purpose of life isto explore the universe we live and find more resources so that we can keep growing. We will have newpurpose once we have got what we are searching today.21 days ago • Like •
Follow UjwalUjwal Jha • @Mr. Karthikeyan..... I think you do not understand me. You wont understand me. I havesome questions for you, try to answer them if you can. I bet your answers would reveal why India isstill a developing country!You have said "All Indian practices have a very strong scientific basis." Really is that so??Have you seen a movie Water? Directed by Mira Nayar? If not watch and tell me which sciencesuggests to through widows to Varanasi?Burning a dead body is not something we should argue but tell me how scientific it is to take the leftover of ashes of dead and carry it to river Ganges?Is it scientific to kill those who wants to marry in the same Gotra?? Well Islam permits it?? One ofthem must be unscientific?How scientific is Mundan Or janau or Shradha ?? At least I do not find these culture has any scientificbackground.Please do answer and explain how these act of Hindus are scientific??21 days ago • Like •karthikeyan arumugathandavan • .-Some exotic news,We could live inside a super massive black hole eventually... but super-aliens may have already beatenus to it, claims Russian cosmologist . Most advanced civilization in the galaxy could already be livinginside, claims Vyacheslav Dokuchaev.Despite being considered the most destructive force in space and absolutely uninhabitable, theconditions for life exist inside supermassive black holes, a Russian cosmologist has theorised.http://bit.ly/tPUMazmore commentshttp://lnkd.in/Cig8-d---20 days ago •
karthikeyan arumugathandavan • @ Ujwal,Dont believe it , forget it and there is no hurry to Discover IT :)20 days ago •Follow jayendrajayendra upadhye • Ujwal jee you think like me!I always ask this question ..what is scientific in religion?Mind you philosophy and religion are two different things.20 days ago • Like •karthikeyan arumugathandavan • .-One example, the traditions in this subcontinent were ( is ? ) highly scientific !___________* The Timing and Quality of Early Experiences Combine to Shape Brain Architecture *Critical aspects of brain architecture begin to be shaped by experience before and soon after birth, andmany fundamental aspects of that architecture are established well before a child enters school The architecture of the brain depends on the mutual influences of genetics, environment, andexperience. Genetics supplies a basic plan for brain development, just as an architect supplies ablueprint for building a house. The genetic plan instructs the basic properties of the nerve cells and laysdown the basic rules for interconnectingnerve cells within and across circuits. In this manner, genes provide the initial construction plan for thebrain’s architecture. The environment in which the brain beginsto develop can have a profound influence on its initial architecture. Just as the selection of the bestbuilding materials enables the realization of the full potential of an architect’s blueprint, a healthyenvironment beginning in the prenatal period allows the full potential of the genetic plan for the brainto be expressed. This includes an abundant supply of nutrients, an absence of toxins, and the healthypersonal and social......................................................................................................................Read more:http://www.ecdgroup.com/docs/lib_005471954.pdf___________..........It is a well-known story how Narada Mamuni hijacked an offspring of Asura and literally brain
washed him in the womb itself .........Discover IT :)________20 days ago •Follow jayendrajayendra upadhye • Dear Karthikeyan you are referring to whom? Prahlada? or Dhruva?20 days ago • Like •karthikeyan arumugathandavan • ..-JayendraI sincerely do not know who is Dhruva :)--20 days ago •Follow SyedSyed Imam • @Jayendra, I wondered why you shifted each discussion towards Pakistan, actually i amhere to participate in creative discussions not to abuse anyone. on the other hand you are quite poor inhistory (e.g you dont know why Bin Qasim attacked Dibal?). I also want to tell you that you dont tryto think on issues and take media reports as truth. Tell me why India is failed to provide concreteevidence to Pakistan regarding 26/11 just as US failed to provide any evidence relating to Iraqsweapons of mass destruction. Furthermore, you are also biased, why you dont say anything about700,000 Indian soldiers voilating humanity by killing innocent Kasmiris, why you dont talk about UNresolutions on Kashmir Issue,why you dont say anything on Indian voilation of Sind Taas Treaty bybuilding almost 54 dams, why you dont take up the issue of Khalistan, Why you dont say anythingwhat Indian army did in Golden Temple, why you dont tell me about WADA and about more than 25independence movements in india,why you dont say anything regarding Moodys crimes in Gujrat,Why you dont say anything for Shiv Sina and baal Thakure for their sheer harassment toMinorities,why you dont say anything about involvement of Indian serving Colonel Prohit in TrainBombings which has been proved by your own agencies,why you dont say anything against US attackson Iraq and Afghanistan. Are muslims not human?????If you really have love for humanity then have courage to talk on these issues???Otherwise it will be a proof of your biasedness.
Now answers to Questions of Chiranheevi,Ans-1) Its a test for usAns-2) universe is an Examination HallAns-3) Allah and Farishte20 days ago • Like •Follow jayendrajayendra upadhye • Dear Syed,You really mean this universe was built by allah for all of us to appear in some sillly examination?Give us a break.Regarding all the other stuff you have written, the less said the better.Have you even read the UN resolutions?They clearly state that Pakistan is to go back to status quo ante, ie return all of kashmir the guys lootedfrom India in 1948 under the guise of Tribals. (old habit that surfaced again in Kargil).Then the Indians would demilitarise.Now PAKISTAN HAS ALREADY ILLEGALLY CEDED POK to the Chinese.So the Pakistani government knows implementing the UN resolutions is impossible.That figure of 700,000 is so much mugged up by most writers, they forget they are bombing their ownpeople with planes and artillery on waziristan.Dont we all know how the Kashniri Pundits were driven oit by slogans "aap ki biwi Behenen yahinchhod jaao" over the loudspeakers?so dont bring in Kashmir. Your records in Bangladesh are all over the net.Regarding dams, see what your own ministers say about the Indus water treaty, that there is no vilationat all. Your poor upkeep of canals is to blame. Most are breached by interested parties as happenedduring the flood this year itself, and reported in your own papers. Stop quoting the bible to us please.Aksai chin China se wapas le lo, POK free karo fir kashmir ki baat karo.20 days ago • Like •1Follow jayendrajayendra upadhye • I have to bringall this up simply because of non serious answers to a seriousdiscussion. no one is interested in harp twanging heavens and fire and brimstone hells.we want something higher than that stone age stuff.20 days ago • Like •Follow SyedSyed Imam • @ Jayendra,You are even manner less, you know that muslims are much conscious about the word Allah, and you
intentionally didnt start the word with capital letter. So in my opinion you are not a person with whomany discussion could be made.You are also full of hate for Pakistan. My father migrated from Bihar toBengal (East Pakistan) so i have very well aware that what were happened in East Pakistan.20 days ago • Like •Follow jayendrajayendra upadhye • My posts are full of typos..always. Many know this may be you dont.All my arguments have been against incorrect facts.International opinion seems to be opposite of most of your views.Which you then dismiss as incorrect journalism.Ok with me.Now any deeper thoughts on the 3 questions? Apart from fire and brimstone that is..20 days ago • Like •Follow SteveSteve Dufourny • Indians and pakistanians are brothers like the israelians and palestinians....please dearthinkers, how could you solve the probelms if already the high thinkers of the country are not inagreement ??? The responsbility of universal thinkers is so important,you must show to your countriesthat it is possible to find concrete solutions with universlism and rationality.19 days ago • Like •1Follow ChiranjeeviChiranjeevi Tallapragada • Dear @Syed @JayendraHas god created humans or humans created god is another question that cannever be answered. To me one god created humans but they have become extrasmart and created so many gods. He has given us one tongue but we havecreated so many languages, he has given us one earth and we have created somany boundaries, he has given us two hands and we created weapons sopowerful that can kill millions with one finger tip. So, I am wondering ifGod has really made us or have we made God?God, religion are given to us by our parents. We dont choose them (atleast a majority of us.) Its like a name, an identity. Period. I have nodispute with your name so why should I have any dispute with yourreligion?What makes me feel bad is every discussion turns into a verbal disputebetween two people. This way our minds are not expanding they are just
exploding.19 days ago • Like •karthikeyan arumugathandavan • SteveWho is Israel , India or Pakistan - that might bring in some peace out here :)19 days ago •Follow ChiranjeeviChiranjeevi Tallapragada • Verrry smart...@Karthikeyan19 days ago • Like •Follow SteveSteve Dufourny • the peace and the love like the compassion are the only things which remains us....onthis earth ...it is also the only things which can solve our global problems...19 days ago • Like •NimuUnfollowNimu Shenoy, MBA • Chiranjeevi, I will think about your questions and provide a response soon.You also made the following comment,"What makes me feel bad is every discussion turns into a verbaldispute between two people. This way our minds are not expanding they are just exploding." Thankyou for saying this. I personally abandoned a few interesting discussions because there was constantbattle. It is fine to have differing opinions, but I think one should be tactful and respect the othersthoughts.Hopefully, we will all use this forum to learn from each other. If not, I feel that ILN may start losingsome of its good members.19 days ago • Like •Follow jayendrajayendra upadhye • So are we to take hook line and sinker some argument that god made the universefor all of us to pass some silly exam and then go on playung a silly harp forever on some cloud if we
pass, and burn eternally in brimsrone if we fail?And all this to be facilitated by a 100 turns of the rosary or bowing xyz times to the ground, destroyingother proples places of worship, beheading and bombing them to hell and then preaching this sillypractice over the net?Do you want me to put up with that crap?Just so that the discussion remains goody goody?I hope we have the honesty to call bullshit just that.Prople who feel I am harsh need to read the book "the subtle subversion", by an ex extremist. Hedescribes how his comrades laughed every time after a bomb blast poliricians came out and said "it isnot the religion that is bad it is the practitioners".And all the time, the book continued to be a primer on how to kill kafirs and enjoy their women andchildren. Clear instructions of "kill all able bodied men and use the women without impregnating them"being some of those holy instructions!We are fiddling when Rome is about to burn.Come on! call a spade a spade at least.19 days ago • Like •1Follow jayendrajayendra upadhye • I suggest keep religious talk away from this forum. But if it is indeed discussed,then at least let us not condone silly and shallow talk. High philosophy is ok, not some barbaric stoneage stuff.Secondly all I have done is clarify wrong facts, and pull down some silly conspuracy theories.One of these guys told me in Dubai, "hum ne India mein bomb fode usliye app log chup ho gaye".(Musharraf recently said the same thing when talking of Dawood Ibrahim). And he was an ordinaryperson, an engineer. He and his friends used to refularly harangue us on statue worship. He was openlycheering the Pakistani side during 20-20. He would regularly force us to reduce TV volume themoment the namaz started. He is now employed in Reliance Bombay. Imagine, with this mindset, whatcan happen if god forbid there is a war tomorrow.And then they say "aap log hamein shak ki nagahon se dekhte ho".Come on!Syed jee ne bade garv se kaha ki unka iman pahele dharam par hai, country comes bad mein.And not one soul here stirred. No pious lectures were heard.Cant you see if that outlook is practiced, how dangerous it is to any country?Yet the slumber is so deep. The mounting of high moral horses continues.Pahele swarg jana hai, achha dikhna hai..country gayi bhad mein.On top I am hearing pious talk of two people arguing. Nero is surely busy in India, with his fiddle!19 days ago • Like •1Follow jayendrajayendra upadhye • I am quitting this "all is well" rollypolly thread NOW.
Surely some people can reach a step closer to sainthood in the mean time.And as I said, the country may go to.....19 days ago • Like •Follow jayendrajayendra upadhye • Kindly refer:- http://answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/women_slaves.htmOr read the holy book itself ! And be enloghtened as to why Bangladesh rapes happened. And beenlightened what awaits you if you continue to slumber like now.Bye all.19 days ago • Like •NimuUnfollowNimu Shenoy, MBA • Chiranjeevi, I personally liked your question and feel that it is a topic that isgood to answer for oneself. It really should be thought-provoking because it is quite philosophical too.Often times, a lot of questions on ILN are either directly leadership-related or politically-inclined. It isimportant for a leader to also consider philosophical topics because it encourages brainstorming andgoal-setting.I took some time to quickly read through these comments. This question should be ones own reflectionof existence and purpose in life. It is okay if one has feelings that religion is a part of it, but it is notnecessary to express your own set of beliefs.For me, as time passes, I believe that my purpose is to share light-heartness and joy with people. Deepdown, I am not happy all the time, but I would like others to feel that they can smile and laugh throughtheir life journey. Arif K. has a post about abundance mentality, and this is what I believe is mypurpose. Bring something for others and joy will return to me.Well, at least I have an answer to one of your questions!Remember everyone -- The Universe is balanced with the good and the bad. We all contribute to bothgood and bad whether intentional or not. This is what makes the Universe whole.19 days ago • Like •karthikeyan arumugathandavan • .-............When one is born , physical form as a human being - what all does one bring along with them.Nothing !! or they just appear in a preexisting spacebecause mountains , oceans sun, moon ... all exist before and after their life time -.
do they at least come with knowledge / information of such paces ............they can always leave a dent in the space , effects which could be felt for a long time to comehow do people collectively build spaces or clear off each others space for funone builds ones space to keep its form , should it destroy other ones forms & spacedoes one and one&all have thought space too..............................Life is an empty space !19 days ago •Follow jayendrajayendra upadhye • Haha! Karthikeyan! My firm resolve to stay away from this thread had to go once Iread your statement!But then do you mean thinking "all this was there before I came and will be there after I go", oneshould remain passive and not react to the obvious?With this philosophy (similar to the mayavadis running away from the "real world"), people will stopdefending even their own country! (Precisely what ailed India in the midddle ages and ails india evennow).If you look at history, Buddhism had this effect on countries that adopted it. (Central asian republiksand even Mongolia of all countries, were / was Buddhist for a time in the middle ages.These firece people were soon overtaken by others the moment they were introduced to pacifism of theBuddhists. Why! Buddhism was taken to China not by Indian monks but by Turkish Buddhistmissionaries!Kalhan in Rajatarangini mentions that Lalitaditya of Kashmir had a Turkish Buddhist as his minister.I feel savages conquer peaceful states, themselves get civilized and soft in turn to be conquered byothers...an ongoing process..the wheel of time, the Kaala-Chakra!Example: The turks conquered the eastern Roman empire at constantinople some time in 1500 AD. Indue course, The wily Brits overthrew them easily as they had become soft! Another case is that of theArabs. Once a mighty conquering power, the savage