15 minutes until #RNchat - consider using http://TweetChat.com or http://TweetGrid.com
5/11/2010 11:45
rnchat:
Today's #RN...
5/11/2010 12:06
@grimalkinrn Wow, I'm soooo sorry to hear that!! Prayers for your sister!!! #RNchat
5/11/2010 12:06
EllenR...
@ljayf @Trybarefoot @NursePru @BonnieRN Welcome folks ~Even lurkers :) #RNchat
5/11/2010 12:10
EllenRichter:
Try again, im...
high enough 2 advise says alot abt nursing #RNChat
5/11/2010 12:16
@EllenRichter Great minds....... #RNchat
5/11/2010 12:1...
RT @NurseTeriA #RNChat If anyone has anything to say or ask about the National Nurse
Act of 2010, please email teri@nation...
@InfusionNurse Amen!Not only 4 R profession, but 4 R patients. Hello, everyone needs a
nurse and needs what we do. We are ...
T2 I think the PA hospitals r missing out on great nurses. ADN schools r some of the
best. Some MD hospitals are doing thi...
#rnchat
5/11/2010 12:37
T2 - #RNchat Amazing we're still talking about this. Reminds me of the nation trying to go
metric....
@EllenRichter now isn't that going backwards?? t2. equating an aide to an RN's job??
c'mon now. #rnchat
5/11/2010 12:43
bt...
T2 Yes, I believe nurses need an "internship" period where they have limited
responsibility under the wings of an experien...
Grrrrr I forgot the darn T2 #RNchat
5/11/2010 12:55
EllenRichter:
@bthenextstep #RNChat Agree there is more 2 us than degr...
Hope you can stop by. #RNchat
5/11/2010 12:59
RT @MatthewBrowning: @onlinenursing T2 - NClex is that standard #RNChat the ...
and do all nursing - 6 semesters. #RNCHAT
5/11/2010 13:06
THANK YOU everybody! Our next #RNchat is this Friday 11:30am EST...
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Transcript of RNchat, a Twitter chat for registered nurses, for Tuesday May 11, 2010

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T1 National Nurse: We've discussed this before, but let's revisit. HR4601 proposes an Office of the Nat'l Nurse. Discuss pros/cons

T2 The Old Degree Requirements Debate: Some Philly hospitals have started requiring BSNs. http://bit.ly/bWmarL - Please discuss.

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  1. 1. 15 minutes until #RNchat - consider using http://TweetChat.com or http://TweetGrid.com 5/11/2010 11:45 rnchat: Today's #RNchat is starting in 5 minutes. We're also on Facebook - http://Facebook.com/RNchat 5/11/2010 11:55 rnchat: Welcome to #RNchat during National Nurses Week! We'll get started in a moment. First: introduce yourselves! 5/11/2010 12:00 rnchat: @BonnieRN Hi Bonnie! Welcome! The itinerary of the chat is just spontaneous for the participants! We go with the flow! :) #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:01 EllenRichter: #RNchat http://TweetChat.com is not letting me in. Can we chat via Facebook? 5/11/2010 12:01 NurseTeriA: @RNchat #rnchat can't wait for the topics today 5/11/2010 12:02 visiting_nurse: Hey Terri here. RN only 15 years now. Happy NURSES week all! #RNChat 5/11/2010 12:02 onlinenursing: @NurseTeriA Just use twitter search & search for #RNchat ~As new tweets come, it tells you to refresh 5/11/2010 12:03 EllenRichter: Matthew here, didn't think I'd make it, RN, MSN, CEO, etc, Happy Nurses' Week everyone! #RNChat 5/11/2010 12:04 MatthewBrowning: Hi to @onlinenursing @visiting_nurse @philbaumann @NurseTeriA and anyone new who came! #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:04 EllenRichter: #RNChat are we live and do I get the info via scroll on: http://www.rnchat.org/ (is that right?) 5/11/2010 12:05 BonnieRN: @RNchat #RNchat before we get going, I want to send a shout out to scrubsandbeyond. My friends sister lost everything in Nashville. An RN. 5/11/2010 12:05 grimalkinrn: I'm Ellen, a critical care nurse, off today! I am also a legal nurse consultant & today, I'm my own lawn service :) #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:05 EllenRichter: #RNchat Hi to everyone, are we waiting for Phil to set the agenda? 5/11/2010 12:05 NurseTeriA: @RNchat @scrubsandbeyond are sending her new uniforms!! I am in no way affiliated!! So happy right now. #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:06 grimalkinrn: I'm Nicole, just a pre-nursing student. Love to lurk though! These chats are so interesting. #rnchat HauteSingleMama:
  2. 2. 5/11/2010 12:06 @grimalkinrn Wow, I'm soooo sorry to hear that!! Prayers for your sister!!! #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:06 EllenRichter: #RNChat Hi all! Happy Nurses Week. Who is moderator? Is that you, Phil or @EllenRichter ? 5/11/2010 12:06 BonnieRN: @grimalkinrn I mean.... Oh man, can we do anything to help? #RNChat 5/11/2010 12:07 onlinenursing: Hi everyone. I'm Cora, infusion nurse educator and consultant. Glad to be here! #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:07 InfusionNurse: First topic coming up in a moment. One on legislation and another on education reqs. Please prepend your responses with T1, T2, etc. #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:07 rnchat: RT Today's #RNchat is starting in 5 minutes. We're also on Facebook - http://Facebook.com/RNchat http://bit.ly/bBOOaE 5/11/2010 12:07 visiting_nurse: T1 National Nurse: We've discussed this before, but let's revisit. HR4601 proposes an Office of the Nat'l Nurse. Discuss pros/cons #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:07 rnchat: Hi All, Laura a 3rd year Student in Hamilton Scotland. Just Lurking really #RNchat #rnchat 5/11/2010 12:08 ljayf: @BonnieRN Its Phil today, and use twitterchat, tweetgrid or twitter's search for #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:08 EllenRichter: Hi, I'm Gerard. Not an RN but work closely with RNs! Do tons of facilitation/training in health care re: collaborative teamwork! #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:08 Trybarefoot: T1 - #RNChat - office of national nurse, will it help standardize nursing education and practice, give us voice? Then Pro :) 5/11/2010 12:09 onlinenursing: T1 Good question Phil~ When I started reading about the new role I was pleased & impressed...thought to myself "Finally!!" #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:09 EllenRichter: T1 - seems like a good idea..haven't heard much about it lately. #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:09 InfusionNurse: #RNChat I am so sad that the chat is not working 5/11/2010 12:09 NurseTeriA: @RNchat I will miss #RNchat One day I'll be home to participate. 5/11/2010 12:10 seejanenurse: #RNChat If anyone has anything to say or ask about the National Nurse Act of 2010, please email teri@nationalnurse.info 5/11/2010 12:10 NurseTeriA:
  3. 3. @ljayf @Trybarefoot @NursePru @BonnieRN Welcome folks ~Even lurkers :) #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:10 EllenRichter: Try again, im on tweechat and its working..RT @NurseTeriA: #RNChat I am so sad that the chat is not working #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:11 InfusionNurse: @onlinenursing @scrubsandbeyond #rnchat It's my friend's sister, and really, the best thing to do is donate to the Red Cross. #nashville 5/11/2010 12:11 grimalkinrn: #RNchat TweetDeck working too... 5/11/2010 12:11 visiting_nurse: @NurseTeriA Tweetgrid is working fine too! :( #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:11 EllenRichter: @RNchat absent personal transformation (a la Deming, ie., let it begin with me....) nothing likely to come from it; just sayin' #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:13 2healthguru: T1 Its a high level position mainly focused on public health aspects, but its on line with Surgeon General, I think #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:13 EllenRichter: RT @EllenRichter T1 Good question~ When I started reading about the new role I was pleased & impressed-thought to myself "Finally!!" #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:13 onlinenursing: T1 #RNchat http://bit.ly/98KeRt @NurseTeriA what wuld u say the main driver is on the legislation how will it advance nursing? 5/11/2010 12:13 visiting_nurse: t1 #rnchat I thnk the office of National Nurse will go a long way toward changing the perception the public has of nursing. Thrilled. 5/11/2010 12:13 grimalkinrn: @RNchat @EllenRichter @NurseTeriA The chat is working . How do we help get teri in? #RNChat 5/11/2010 12:14 BonnieRN: T1 - #RNchat Much in favor of national office to improve political leverage 5/11/2010 12:14 andyatFAD: T1 Well, I'm hoping that what comes of it includes a renewed respect for the true role of the professional RN in the public eye #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:14 EllenRichter: RT @EllenRichter: T1 Well, I'm hoping that what comes of it includes a renewed respect for the true role of the professional RN in the public eye #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:15 grimalkinrn: T1 Gonna linger a while but not sure I can offer any value to this conversation :( #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:15 Trybarefoot: @2healthguru so often govt offices R as U say.However,simply hving nurse consideredonlinenursing:
  4. 4. high enough 2 advise says alot abt nursing #RNChat 5/11/2010 12:16 @EllenRichter Great minds....... #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:16 grimalkinrn: @grimalkinrn, @EllenRichter, @andyatFAD - Agreed! #RNChat 5/11/2010 12:16 onlinenursing: T1 - I'm also hoping that the position will not be political... :) #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:17 InfusionNurse: @InfusionNurse t1 I think the position will almost have to be political in some respects - unfortunately? #rnchat 5/11/2010 12:18 bthenextstep: T1 It is an honor that a nurse has been placed in such a high position in the national heirarchy, but power may not be included yet #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:18 EllenRichter: #RNChat Earl Blumenauer has introduced The National Nurse Act. We need the specific help of nurses see http://bonniern.com/?p=261 on how 2 5/11/2010 12:18 BonnieRN: T1 - #RNchat @iInfusionNurse Interesting. Wouldn't we WANT this office to be political? Or do you mean GOP/Dem kind of thing? 5/11/2010 12:19 andyatFAD: That might be a tough wish!! RT @InfusionNurse: T1 - I'm also hoping that the position will not be political... :) #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:19 EllenRichter: @onlinenursing Agree on the 'standing' benefit; though issue is perhaps more granular; though part of solution I guess... #RNChat 5/11/2010 12:19 2healthguru: @EllenRichter t1 i guess 'power' is a strong description. maybe advocate?? hmm #rnchat 5/11/2010 12:19 bthenextstep: @Trybarefoot Hey! Linger all you want. Good 2 see you @ #RNChat 5/11/2010 12:21 onlinenursing: @EllenRichter t1 i guess 'power' is a strong description. maybe advocate?? hmm #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:21 bthenextstep: Yes...that one... RT @andyatFAD: T1 - @iInfusionNurse Interesting. Or do you mean GOP/Dem kind of thing? #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:21 InfusionNurse: @onlinenursing Thx! Its all making me very curious - note to self to do some F/U reading! #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:22 Trybarefoot: RT @NurseTeriA #RNChat If anyone has anything to say or ask about the National Nurse Act of 2010, please email teri@nationalnurse.info 5/11/2010 12:22 BonnieRN:
  5. 5. RT @NurseTeriA #RNChat If anyone has anything to say or ask about the National Nurse Act of 2010, please email teri@nationalnurse.info 5/11/2010 12:22 BonnieRN: @2healthguru T1 We cant possibly think negatively abt the role when its such a positive change 4 our profession: maybe the right RN? #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:23 EllenRichter: T1 - #RNchat @InfusionNurse Gotcha. Well, the Surg Gen office is supposedly nonpolitical but, um, can I just say C. Everett Koop? 5/11/2010 12:23 andyatFAD: #RNChat The National Nurse Act needs the help of nurses contacting their gov rep plz contact teri@nationalnurse.info or C http://is.gd/c4qAz 5/11/2010 12:24 BonnieRN: T1 increases visibility for nurses in a positive light- hope there is substance to position #RNChat 5/11/2010 12:25 MatthewBrowning: T1 - a position w/ power and influence...to promote our profession...fight political barriers to progress. #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:25 InfusionNurse: Substance Yes RT @MatthewBrowning: T1 increases visibility for nurses in a positive light- hope there is substance to position #RNChat 5/11/2010 12:25 visiting_nurse: On the go today but hello to #RNCHAT nurses...will read and RT later. Go RNs! RT @RNchat: Welcome to #RNchat during National Nurses Week! 5/11/2010 12:25 holisticnurses: Next topic coming up a a couple minutes! #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:26 rnchat: @EllenRichter hah i guess it's in my DNA; though Deming's pitch is directed to us all! Way too much ego out there; not enuff heart.. #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:26 2healthguru: RT @BonnieRN: RT @NurseTeriA #RNChat If anyone has anything to say or ask about the National Nurse Act of 2010, please email teri@nationalnurse.info 5/11/2010 12:26 holisticnurses: T1 is it not good to have someone in High political role too?? Scotlands Health Minister is an ex nurse. #rnchat 5/11/2010 12:26 ljayf: T1 Are there similar high-level roles in other countries? Which ones? #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:26 Trybarefoot: Maybe I should have said... illness prevention or health maintenance T1 #rnchat Regardless of politics, I think many nurses agree on this. 5/11/2010 12:26 grimalkinrn: Yeah! RT @InfusionNurse: T1 - a position w/ power and influence...to promote our profession...fight political barriers to progress. #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:26 MatthewBrowning:
  6. 6. @InfusionNurse Amen!Not only 4 R profession, but 4 R patients. Hello, everyone needs a nurse and needs what we do. We are experts! #RNChat 5/11/2010 12:27 onlinenursing: T1 agree with @EllenRichter. As long as the right RN is in this role...I see no negatives here. #rnchat 5/11/2010 12:27 NursePru: @2healthguru agreed. More heart! That is what health care needs in general (and politics) #RNChat 5/11/2010 12:27 onlinenursing: RT @MatthewBrowning: RT @InfusionNurse: T1 - a position w/ power and influence...to promote our profession. #RNchat Agree fully. This is key 5/11/2010 12:28 andyatFAD: T2 The Old Degree Requirements Debate: Some Philly hospitals have started requiring BSNs. http://bit.ly/bWmarL - Please discuss. #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:28 rnchat: THAT's good news! RT @grimalkinrn: t1 #rnchat I think you will see a huge focus on health prevention...from the Nat. RN 5/11/2010 12:28 Trybarefoot: RT @EllenRichter: Heres a link >> "Read The Bill: H.R. 4601 - GovTrack.us" http://j.mp/9kNvL1 #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:28 holisticnurses: RT @Trybarefoot: THAT's good news! RT @grimalkinrn: t1 #rnchat I think you will see a huge focus on health prevention...from the Nat. RN 5/11/2010 12:29 holisticnurses: #RNchat T2 My hospital will start requiring BSNs in the next several years, but they are also providing generous tuition reimbursement. 5/11/2010 12:29 grimalkinrn: @BonnieRN Great blog Bonnie...very informative #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:29 EllenRichter: T2 #RNchat I think we will see more of a trend toward BSNs, and I think this is wrong. ADN nurses spend more time at the bedside than BSNs. 5/11/2010 12:29 grimalkinrn: T1 Actual Quote "The National Nurse shall have the same rank and grade as the Deputy Surgeon General of the Public Health Service" #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:30 EllenRichter: Um....why cant I find T2 ??? :) #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:31 EllenRichter: T2 #rnchat I wouldn't mind a requirement for more Ed for all RNs, but students I see are not prepped for caring for patients, just tests 5/11/2010 12:31 grimalkinrn: @onlinenursing As Director of Medical Affairs 4 large CO regional hospital, I opened vs; locked down med staff org 2 nursing #RNChat 5/11/2010 12:31 2healthguru:
  7. 7. T2 I think the PA hospitals r missing out on great nurses. ADN schools r some of the best. Some MD hospitals are doing this too. #rnchat 5/11/2010 12:32 NursePru: RT @EllenRichter: T1 Actual Quote "The National Nurse shall have the same rank and grade as the Deputy Surgeon General of the Public Health Service" #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:32 DianeSieg: @EllenRichter I was wondering the same thing T2 - #RNChat 5/11/2010 12:32 onlinenursing: #RNchat Nice learning with you! Off to a conf call. Happy Ntl Nursing Week! Nursing: You Canʼt Live Without It! http://bit.ly/dfXxOH 5/11/2010 12:32 Trybarefoot: Ahhh, I found it!! T2 I have been a big proponent of raising the minimum RN requirement to BSN degree for years. We need to. #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:33 EllenRichter: #RNchat t2 bsn as a requirement is a tough debate. rn vs bsn at the beside? i think no difference. 5/11/2010 12:33 bthenextstep: @2healthguru COOL! Good for you doing that #RNChat 5/11/2010 12:34 onlinenursing: t2 #RNchat again, I don't have a problem with national standard for nursing Ed. However, it should not leave existing RNs in the cold. 5/11/2010 12:34 grimalkinrn: t2 #rnchat Diploma nurses I know are my idols. I want to be them when I grow up. Are we really going to tell them their Ed. is insufficient? 5/11/2010 12:35 grimalkinrn: t2 won't this bsn requirmnt put a large stall on the nursing shortage?? #rnchat 5/11/2010 12:35 bthenextstep: @bthenextstep T2 How do we compete/equate w/ our colleagues in nutrition, pharmacy or Phys Therapy who all have masters degrees? #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:35 EllenRichter: t2 bsn prepared rn is for the step beyond the bedside. #rnchat 5/11/2010 12:36 bthenextstep: @grimalkinrn T2 - #RNChat U have hit on big issue 4 nursing ed entirely.Also,some BSN dont send faculty 2suprvs students,thus dcrsed lrning 5/11/2010 12:36 onlinenursing: #rnchat T2 I could not have afforded a BSN program. I am proud of my ADN, worked full time through school to get it. ADN doesn't = bad RN 5/11/2010 12:37 grimalkinrn: T2 - #RNChat I agree BSN education. Let's not handicap R students or profession out of the gate by making them go back to school to move up. 5/11/2010 12:37 onlinenursing: T2 Maybe require to start a BSN within 5 yrs. I'm all for more edu, but we need RNs now.NursePru:
  8. 8. #rnchat 5/11/2010 12:37 T2 - #RNchat Amazing we're still talking about this. Reminds me of the nation trying to go metric. Makes perfect sense, won't happen. 5/11/2010 12:38 andyatFAD: T2 #rnchat Does anyone have a percentage of new ADNs vs BSNs each year, I would be interested to know if this is realistic in the long term. 5/11/2010 12:38 grimalkinrn: @bthenextstep T2 We differ, my friend. I believe there is no better bedside practitioner than the masters prepared ones! Higher ed!! #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:38 EllenRichter: t2 no doubt the bsn can/will improve our profession. hard 2 compare us 2 other professions w degrees d/t didactic nature of our work #rnchat 5/11/2010 12:38 bthenextstep: t2 #rnchat Right now the economy is buffering the nsg shortage, ppl can't afford healthcare. That is going to change, ADNS will be necessary 5/11/2010 12:38 grimalkinrn: @andyatFAD AMEN! #RNchat :) 5/11/2010 12:39 onlinenursing: @andyatFAD LOL I hate to have to agree but I believe you are right! "Makes sense, but wont happen" #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:39 EllenRichter: T2 #RNchat My nightmare is that ADNs will be treated as the LPNs were, which is wrong. We all take the same board. 5/11/2010 12:39 grimalkinrn: T2- #RNChat Research says BSN nurses stay longer in job at bedside than ADN, also their patients have better outcomes. So much for EBP. 5/11/2010 12:40 onlinenursing: @EllenRichter t2 and there is a grave difference between edu vs skill. #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:40 bthenextstep: t2 problem is it's not a cut/dry debate. too many variables. 2 many levels. each has its place. #rnchat 5/11/2010 12:41 bthenextstep: T2 #rnchat what really needs to be done for both degrees is getting these students more prepared. Shocked at how many don't know basic care. 5/11/2010 12:41 grimalkinrn: T2 Know what? We are short RNs? Let me highly train 2 nurses aides to work with me & I will take on more pts. Make BSN as minimum #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:42 EllenRichter: T2 #rnchat In my role, I precept ADN and BSN students. Neither of them are adequately prepared. So what can we do to improve SKILL TRAINING? 5/11/2010 12:43 grimalkinrn:
  9. 9. @EllenRichter now isn't that going backwards?? t2. equating an aide to an RN's job?? c'mon now. #rnchat 5/11/2010 12:43 bthenextstep: T2 #RNchat Market drives need. It looks for cheaper ways of obtaining same/similar results. Occupations tend to split, not shrink. 5/11/2010 12:44 andyatFAD: T2 I spend so much patient-care time doing non-RN functions. Give me more ancillary help & I will achieve any goals in nursing. #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:44 EllenRichter: t2 once again skill and educ are opp ends of the pole. 100% believe more educ is paramount. but educ doesn't = skill #rnchat 5/11/2010 12:44 bthenextstep: @EllenRichter T2 #RNchat They aren't going to let RNs train Nsg Aides. And we really should. CNA trng is a whole other problem. 5/11/2010 12:44 grimalkinrn: Gonna have to sign off...thanks everyone and @philbaumann...also, pls. join the first #IVchat May 13 at 12N. #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:44 InfusionNurse: @InfusionNurse thanks for joining! take care! #rnchat 5/11/2010 12:45 bthenextstep: T2 Skill training comes with appropriate experiences & more than one or 2. There needs to be a bridge betw school & full-time work #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:45 EllenRichter: @EllenRichter T2 #RNchat You are so right. I could do much more if I had more help. More Education, more care. 5/11/2010 12:46 grimalkinrn: RT @EllenRichter: T2 Skill training comes with appropriate experiences & more than one or 2. There needs to be a bridge betw school & full-time work #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:46 grimalkinrn: @InfusionNurse I'm so excited for your new Infusion Chat! I work Thursday but cant wait to come to a future one! Take care! #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:46 EllenRichter: @bthenextstep However,more ed=chance 2 improve skill & B exposed 2 new things,as U will soon learn.It also helps w/critical thinking #RNChat 5/11/2010 12:46 onlinenursing: @InfusionNurse Bye! See you next time in #RNChat 5/11/2010 12:46 onlinenursing: @InfusionNurse Thanks for stopping by! Good luck with #IVchat next week! #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:46 philbaumann: t2 i think higher educ is a must. but to make it an entrance req is prob not the answer. not with the state of our prof right now. #rnchat 5/11/2010 12:47 bthenextstep:
  10. 10. T2 Yes, I believe nurses need an "internship" period where they have limited responsibility under the wings of an experienced RN #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:48 EllenRichter: t2 some of the best rn's ive learned from and worked with are ADN. high educ is not THE only answer. imho #rnchat 5/11/2010 12:49 bthenextstep: #RNchat Nice learning with you! Off to a conf call. Happy Ntl Nursing Week! Nursing: You Canʼt Live Without It! 5/11/2010 12:50 Trybarefoot: T2 I think one of the reasons we are in a state of confusion surrounding our profession is due to the many ways we can become RNs! #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:50 EllenRichter: T2 great to strive for- not realistic in near future- after baby boomers cared for would be a way to limit provider #s again #RNChat 5/11/2010 12:51 MatthewBrowning: @EllenRichter amen! Again I will say that research shows BSN nurses stay employed longer at bedside and have improved pt. outcomes #RNchat. 5/11/2010 12:51 onlinenursing: T2 No one is saying ADN or diploma grads are worse nurses. We just need to be standardized, one way, one route. Might as well be BSN #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:51 EllenRichter: RT @Trybarefoot: #RNchat Nice learning with you! Off to a conf call. Happy Ntl Nursing Week! Nursing: You Canʼt Live Without It! 5/11/2010 12:51 MatthewBrowning: RT @EllenRichter: T2 I think one of the reasons we are in a state of confusion surrounding our profession is due to the many ways we can become RNs! #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:51 grimalkinrn: @EllenRichter yep. agree with the confusion in ways to become an RN. but making bsn a req still is not the answer. #rnchat 5/11/2010 12:51 bthenextstep: @EllenRichter i'm with you on the standardization. I just get defensive with the bsn req that's all. there is more to us than a deg #rnchat 5/11/2010 12:52 bthenextstep: T2 Definitely a very debatable topic! There has always been a big division between those who want BSN as minimum & those who dont. #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:53 EllenRichter: Thanks! Barb,do u know #RNChat ?check it out RT @BarbaraFicarra: Nice! RT @MatthewBrowning Finally a cure for CNSS ;-) http://bit.ly/be2R0C 5/11/2010 12:54 MatthewBrowning: t2 there has to be a happy medium that elicits the most benefit to the profession. #rnchat 5/11/2010 12:54 bthenextstep: @bthenextstep I understand your feeling defensive. But if we must standardize, its sensible to make our minimum @ least 4-yr degree? #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:54 EllenRichter:
  11. 11. Grrrrr I forgot the darn T2 #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:55 EllenRichter: @bthenextstep #RNChat Agree there is more 2 us than degree :)but there has 2B a quant.measrble way 2 say what entry 2 practice is bestpart 1 5/11/2010 12:55 onlinenursing: @EllenRichter and i would disagree with a stand of bsn. :) #rnchat 5/11/2010 12:55 bthenextstep: We're coming up on an hour! We'll wrap up in a few. #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:56 rnchat: @grimalkinrn @bthenextstep This is why we would have to "grandfather" all RNs before a certain year. Then after that all RNs are BSN #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:56 EllenRichter: @bthenextstep #RNChat - part 2- this is called a standard & any organization/program/job/univ. has these for all their positions & licensing 5/11/2010 12:56 onlinenursing: @bthenextstep T2 @EllenRichter #rnchat I would also disagree that the standard should be BSN. It is not reasonable or affordable for many. 5/11/2010 12:56 grimalkinrn: T2 We need more nurses-anyway they come is better than not having them there at all- after sufficient workforce exists, then consider #RNChat 5/11/2010 12:57 MatthewBrowning: t2 i believe in the bsn. but not as a stand entr req. i know i know. goin in circles. just feel there is a better way. #rnchat 5/11/2010 12:57 bthenextstep: t2 #rnchat If ADN programs were closed, effect on the nursing shortage would be devastating. Not reasonable when so many leave the bedside. 5/11/2010 12:58 grimalkinrn: @grimalkinrn ADN nurses are great!We just needed to be giving BSN's w/that great ed- which means some more gen ed & few more classes #RNChat 5/11/2010 12:58 onlinenursing: @grimalkinrn T2 Well then we would have to have our new Govt-created RN role create grants for RNs to get BSNs easily! :) #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:58 EllenRichter: @onlinenursing T2 - NClex is that standard #RNChat the rest seems divisive #RNChat 5/11/2010 12:58 MatthewBrowning: Just one final fyi #RNChat it takes our student an average of 6 semesters (3 yrs) to get ASN, plus a yr of prereqs. Why not BSN? 5/11/2010 12:58 onlinenursing: OK - we're at the end of the #RNchat show! Let's wrap up with parting thoughts. 5/11/2010 12:59 rnchat: Attention: out friend @InfusionNurse is starting the first #IVchat on May 13 at 12n ET.rnchat:
  12. 12. Hope you can stop by. #RNchat 5/11/2010 12:59 RT @MatthewBrowning: @onlinenursing T2 - NClex is that standard #RNChat the rest seems divisive #RNChat 5/11/2010 12:59 grimalkinrn: @MatthewBrowning I agree. We have a standard, the NCLEX. #RNChat T2 5/11/2010 13:00 grimalkinrn: t2 we need a 'bridge' for this bsn debate. something to better the prof, the indiv nurses and the pts. what that is - not sure? #rnchat 5/11/2010 13:00 bthenextstep: @EllenRichter T2 #RNchat I don't think we can shoulder 4 year degrees vs 2-3 year degrees at this time. We need RNs faster. 5/11/2010 13:00 grimalkinrn: My parting thought is that all of us are a great & cohesive group of Twitter RNs no matter what our credentials or views are~ :) #RNchat 5/11/2010 13:01 EllenRichter: @onlinenursing I think this is because more ADN students are likely to do prereqs at night, during summers, etc. than BSN #RNChat T2 5/11/2010 13:02 grimalkinrn: t2 - loved the debate! loved it. I appreciate everyone's honest and critically valued thoughts. :) #rnchat 5/11/2010 13:03 bthenextstep: LOL I'm a nurse since the mid-70's & this was as heated a discussion THEN as it is today! :) #RNchat 5/11/2010 13:03 EllenRichter: Make the end to 2010 National Nurses' Week awesome! Stay Safe and Heal thy patients ;-) !! Peace, M #RNChat 5/11/2010 13:03 MatthewBrowning: Hey, @philbaumann thanks for a great hour of chat. Good topics. Great turn out! Have a good afternoon! #RNchat 5/11/2010 13:04 EllenRichter: LOL! never ends! RT @EllenRichter: LOL I'm a nurse since the mid-70's & this was as heated a discussion THEN as it is today! :) #RNchat 5/11/2010 13:04 MatthewBrowning: #RNCHAT T2 I also love these debates!! They make me feel refreshed and give me info I can take to work! 5/11/2010 13:04 grimalkinrn: @EllenRichter My pleasure! Thanks for joining. #RNchat 5/11/2010 13:05 philbaumann: t2 *high fives* all around the tweet table. thanks everyone! #rnchat 5/11/2010 13:05 bthenextstep: @grimalkinrn - nope that statistic for our students is strictly once they enter the programonlinenursing:
  13. 13. and do all nursing - 6 semesters. #RNCHAT 5/11/2010 13:06 THANK YOU everybody! Our next #RNchat is this Friday 11:30am EST. Topic suggestions welcome! Transcript of today's chat will be up soon! 5/11/2010 13:06 rnchat: @philbaumann Yes, back to my lawn work now. I need to take advantage of the clouds, since its very hot out! Bye folks! #RNchat 5/11/2010 13:06 EllenRichter: RT @EllenRichter: AMen to that. I love talking with nurses on twitter! Great thoughts all! THanks Phil #RNChat 5/11/2010 13:06 onlinenursing: have a great day everyone! thanks again Phil #rnchat 5/11/2010 13:07 bthenextstep: @MatthewBrowning My sister was just pinned and graduated with her RN Friday & Sat. perfect way to end nurses week!!! #RNChat 5/11/2010 13:15 jackiehotton: #ePatient #ePatient #RNChat #hcsmeu #hcsm Breaking the... - #rnchat - FriendFeed: http://url4.eu/3KR9y 5/11/2010 13:30 _ePatient:

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