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  • 1. Forum Social Category The Whistleblower Forum Directors Duties and Liabilities in RSA Welcome to The Forum SA. As a visitor you have read only access to the public content areas of this website. You will have to register as a member to access all content, post messages and network with our members. Membership is free and registering is quick and easy. You can click here to register now and become a member within minutes. Thread: Directors Duties and Liabilities in RSA About TFSA | Help | Twitter User Name Password Log in Remember Me? RegisterHelp Search Web Forum SA Ch. 13 Bankruptcy Lawyer Filing For Ch.13 Bankruptcy? Call Us Now For Legal Help - Free Eval Belsky-Weinberg-Horowitz.com Chapter 7 Means Test Determine If Chapter 7 Is An Option For You, Complete A Free Evaluation www.Chapter7.com Homepage Articles Blogs What's New? Today's Posts FAQ Calendar ForumActions QuickLinks AdvancedSearch Ch. 13 Bankruptcy Lawyer Filing For Ch.13 Bankruptcy? Call Us Now For Legal Help - Free Eval Belsky-Weinberg-Horowitz.com Philip I. Klein, Free Consultation- 410-356-1074 Keep your home, car. Payment plans www.bankruptcymdlaw.com + Reply to Thread Results 1 to 10 of 92 Page 1 of 10 1 2 3 ... Last Thread Tools Display 20-Oct-10, 03:56 AM Directors Duties and Liabilities in RSA Hi all. I worked in RSA for many years in middle and upper management before working overseas and progressing to Directorship (several). A friend of mine has just advised me that a small Finance company director in Gauteng recently closed a string of businesses of which he was a Director, with his wife by voluntary liquidation through CIPRO and mysteriously declared all the accounts, records and assets (including the entire Debtors book) - along with R30 million of investors funds missing. Now, I am not sure how things work in RSA these days, but as far as I know The Companies Act and Crown Law still apply. The company was called Dr DS Grieve Bridging Solutions and most of the "victims" are former patients, elderly, sick and retired pensioners. This can be confirmed by a simple Google search on Dr DS Grieve or Dr David Stephen Grieve which will also lead you to The Green Gazette as well as a large number of reports, photographs and even a CIPRO extract. Not surprisingly, these all follow one train of thought - and where there is smoke, there is generally fire.... Thoughts are that the only reason for this must be to cover for massive fraud and embezzlement. Any thoughts on this most welcome - I am inquiring on behalf of one of the elderly stuck now in poverty in RSA, old, infirm and in trouble.... Would be very very interested in any perspective on this especially from any other Directors around....especially any finance company or business Directors.... #1 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Gauteng - Home Of The Warriors 14 35 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts Asterix Junior Member Reply With Quote Thanks given for this post: Lawyer Destroyer (28-Oct-10) 21-Oct-10, 03:47 AM Directors Duties and Liabilities wrt Dr DS Grieve Bridging Solutions Well first thing Asterix, I stumbled on to this quite by chance but felt compelled to add my 5c worth as this has taken my interest and is a subject I know a lot about (liquidations and lawyers - not this case). After trawling around the internet a bit, surprisingly enough, a lot of information surfaced, not lastly from The Green Gazette. Now, interestingly enough, the lawyer concerned here is Mr Willem Storm from Pretoria with whom I have crossed swords before. Mr Willem Storms reputation always precedes him and it is astonishing to me how several liquidations that he has done all follow this same modus operandi with him - unique to him. I am surprised Ben Nell (Master of The High Court) and the others have not taken picked up on or taken notice of this yet. (I will probably flick him this to read).Also involved in this particular episode is LVK Trust CC - who also have a reputation... Fact - LVK Trust cc and Willem Storm are old old buddies (Willem ? Truta? Dewald ?) and part of the Pretoria BinneKring, which is kind of like an old guard of the old glory days....Their history together goes back many many years and to many many social events too.. I feel I can substantiate this and can post proof if required. #2 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Gauteng 61 13 Thanked 28 Times in 21 Posts Lawyer Destroyer Full Member Forum converted by Web2PDFConvert.com
  • 2. My first impressions - Asterix - your friend is in trouble. The Grieve saga is all over the show - and you know what they say - where there is smoke there is fire.....and I can smell something from here already....... A quick search through a few official data bases I have access to show Grieve has what is termed "history". This is not his first venture onto or into the dark side. In fact he and his wife are referred to interestingly as a pair of Veloceraptors. Now, I don't know if you saw Jurassic Park, but these are animals without conscience, they scheme, work together to trap and deceive throughout their hunting cycle. And show no mercy.....an interesting phenomena for a medical doctor....mmmmmhhhhhh Grieve and his consorts would have planned and produced this end game over time, doing a little bit each day, working their way towards an end goal. No doubt they hiked all their fixed asset mortgages to the hilt, scooped their credit cards to the max and fell behind in any and every payment due up until their closure. No doubt they would have maximised on all available revenue streams capable of being drained - and drained them to the max. Grieves proposals would probably have worked, but I would bet 10cents to a bar of gold that he was simply not capable of effectively managing a concern that required strong reigning. My guess, he saw this as a maximization opportunity and took it. I will look a bit closer at the his and hers situation and see if I can gleam anything out of the ordinary for you later. Generally a debtor like this tends to take the easy trusted route and put everything into his wife's name, but washing it through a series of trusts and other accounts first. Its all smoke mirrors and bulldust - follow the money - its easy - there's a rainbow - don't try and climb it - just head towards the pot of gold at the end. Sooner or later - you will find the end of the rainbow. Don't try and find everything just enough to get the criminal actions stimulated - that's when the big boys step in and take over - and that's the point of no return for the criminals. The law is hard to start and real hard to stop once its moving..... My advice - get your friend to a good firm of Insolvency Lawyers (Gauteng has a number). This will result in a series of actions, but most importantly will be to get the Veloceraptors cornered and then caged. Now it may be expensive, but in the long run you will agree worth it. If let alone, your friend will be lucky to get 7 - 10 c in the rand. However if he persists, and is aggressive enough - he will get these people into a corner and then "the waste will hit the air conditioning". He will probably go to jail - they don't assume anyone will ever take them on for less than say (what is it these days R20 million). What has happened is nothing new.....these liquidators and lawyers do this everyday - they dance and skirt around the real issues putting all the relevant material into the "too hard basket", the irrelevant material gets glossed over and the money gets put in the bank (mainly theirs and the directors). South Africa is in a state business wise. You can compare RSA business to a free for all on the roads. The drivers (directors) aren't qualified in many cases, driving vehicles, too big, too fast and out of control. There's a lot of drunk driving taking place, unlicensed driving and buying and selling of stolen "vehicles" and parts that would blow your mind. If the RSA Government wants to do one thing to fix the economy, just one thing, it would be to tighten up its business Highways. License drivers (directors) effectively, train them proficiently - but most of all, punish them firmly, just like we do on the roads. What would we say if the highways were actually a free for all and there was pandemonium on the roads....bystanders getting hurt and killed, passengers, drivers and the public getting slaughtered...? well its actually happening on our business highways - and its appalling! No wonder no one wants to invest in our small to medium businesses, no wonder they call it Rip Off RSA, no wonder we are known as being scammers, second only to Nigeria - our business roads are in absolute chaos and very little is being done (I know 3 Kings is coming - too little too late...). A special task force is needed and most of all - efficient policing and jurisdictional enforcement. The commercial branch of the SAPS (sorry guys) is undermanned and overwhelmed and the situation is not getting any better. The burden of financial criminal proof now lies mainly with the individual affected now to prove the case before the police will prosecute. So, Asterix, my advice is go see a big firm, get a negotiated agreement. Take on these business bandits (that's what they are...) and get cracking ok. PM me for more info - happy to try and assist. Last edited by Dave A; 22-Oct-10 at 07:22 AM. Reply With Quote Thanks given for this post: Asterix (21-Oct-10) 21-Oct-10, 09:58 PM Dr DS Grieve/Storm Attorneys/LVK Trust cc Hi - thanks for that. Lots of information and too much for me as an outsider to digest. Have passed it on and I am sure your advice will be taken. I still want to get opinion on how a Director/s can get away with this and would like to invite comment from anyone connected with CIPRO - any lawyers who may have the answer - or even a member of the SAPS who could comment (even off the record...). Like that description about RSA's businesses and directors being likened to a free for all on the roads - pretty effective and visually disturbing....have pm'd you my friends details and would appreciate if you can have a few words with him. #3 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Gauteng - Home Of The Warriors 14 35 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts Asterix Junior Member converted by Web2PDFConvert.com
  • 3. Reply With Quote Thanks given for this post: Lawyer Destroyer (01-Nov-10) 22-Oct-10, 05:49 AM Directors Duties and Liabilities wrt Dr DS Grieve Bridging Solutions Asterix - had a look at this as an overview for you. The whole micro finance proposal of this company http://www.slideshare.net/DrDSGrieve...s-presentation and the latest one - http://www.slideshare.net/DrDSGrieve...tors-defraudedis probably - I say only possibly - viable under correct diligent - rigid management - but its flawed all over, especially the early one (and from that - both of the Directors are already in serious breach of any protection from the Companies Act... One of the mechanical traps if you would will be to determine from the company bank records a simple fundamental:- Firstly was it a Ponzi scheme ? The definition in a simple form:- Ponzi schemes: Guaranteed to collapse, money from new investors is used to provide a return to previous investors. The scheme fails when money owed to previous investors is greater than the money that can be raised from new ones. or A fraud disguised as an investment opportunity, in which initial investors and the perpetrators of the fraud are paid out of funds raised from later investors, and the later investors lose all funds invested. So - in order to prove this all your friend has to do is determine wether or not a direct investment (must be specific) credit from an investor was used to pay interest to an existing investor - at any time prior to or during the lead up to collapse/liquidation in what is known as "the specified period". If the answer is yes - that director/ is going to probably go to jail. It is not only fraud, but then escalates the legal situation to fraud with criminal intent. Normally one finds that along with payments of interest to investors to keep them happy there is also diversification to alternate accounts, family, friends, wives and even girlfriends -not to mention payments to other companies, credit and finance providers and of course the old credit cards......this is simple embezzlement and first degree fraud - if you can find any proof of it coming direct from an investors payment - no doubt. The recent Krion case is a bench mark and satisfactory outcome....(I provided assistance and determination on this as well) http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-cour...ailed-1.686422One of the key statements made was this " “The fact that she knew in taking each investment that she could not pay the investor back, did not stop her. It in fact it fired her up to take more investments so she could keep her previous investors happy so that they could in turn refer new investors to her". Sounds like it could be a similar saga but on a smaller basis - but the legal findings and ultimate consequences should not be too dissimilar of the case is proven. Until I saw your initial post I had not taken an interest in this case - but as it has now caught several eyes - we will be watching it closely. Your friend should not roll over and die. He has to fight for his (her ?) cause now like never before... PM me more details if you want to... #4 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Gauteng 61 13 Thanked 28 Times in 21 Posts Lawyer Destroyer Full Member Reply With Quote Thank given for this post: AndyD (22-Oct-10), Asterix (22-Oct-10) 23-Oct-10, 03:30 AM Directors Duties and Liabilities in RSA vav Dr DS Grieve Liquidation by LVK Trust cc Directors Duties and Liabilities in RSA vav Dr DS Grieve Liquidation by LVK Trust cc with Willem Storm of Storm Attorneys (Pretoria). Asterix - and others. I have received a number of PM's on this subject, as well as a flurry of emails which have become daunting. Therefore I will stop most PM's and emails and write up on the board. I have started a background check and done some research into the primary business mentioned - The current status of affairs is such:- 1. An absolutely absurd and badly compiled application was made in December 2009 to liquidate a large number of Grieve's businesses - this was what we call a quick and dirty application, which but for a sharp eyed judge, may just have sneaked in....Yes - these things happen. This application (which I have a copy of and will probably publish later) was declined by the court - the application and supporting documentation and evidence was nonsensical and bungled. This was then repeated via CIPRO (a backdoor "voluntary" liquidation) in January 2010. #5 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Gauteng 61 13 Thanked 28 Times in 21 Posts Lawyer Destroyer Full Member converted by Web2PDFConvert.com
  • 4. 2. A leading law firm in Sandton has challenged the voluntary liquidation application and had it converted into a compulsory liquidation. This opens a whole new set of legal curtains and changes the playing fields significantly for the application makers. It also changes the situation dramatically for those who applied for the voluntary liquidation. 3. The companies of Dr D Grieve, specifically Dr DS Grieve Bridging Solutions a Pty Ltd entity has been made the Special Inquiry subject of a small group of creditors. Many debtors underestimate the seriousness of their situation when this happens and the resulting consequences can, if fault is found or discovered in the form of fraud, reckless or negligent trading, malfeasance or any other of a host of business "sins", be fast and ruthless against the directors. That in a nutshell is the current state. So - Asterix - I cannot deal with your friend directly, for professional reasons, although you have provided me with details - so I will post a bit here and continue this thread for awhile as things progress and materialise - and I am watching this saga unfold carefully along with a number of colleagues for many different reasons. However - in the interests of the broader spectrum of forum readers and visitors I intend to start a new thread entitled - Directors Nefarious Use Of Liquidation Process To Avoid Consequences Or Discovery Of Fraud/Malfeasance. in it I will provide some discovery about specific instances, particular liquidators and certain lawyers as well as how they circumvent their legal duties and responsibilities and then the tricks they play, the role of the "friendly liquidator", the illusions they create and the methods they use to create a massive profit for some from the carnage of others - legally - its scandalous - but they do it, and even orchestrate it. This is probably going to upset a number of lawyers and liquidators....but it is all fact and truth - the two things they cannot escape from.... But keep watching this thread ok Asterix - I am going to post a lot more as I go through the process of monitoring this - and you should tell your friend to read my posts carefully. Last edited by Lawyer Destroyer; 23-Oct-10 at 03:44 AM. Reason: Sp Reply With Quote Thanks given for this post: Asterix (25-Oct-10) 25-Oct-10, 09:44 AM Directors Duties and Liabilities in RSA LD - very good. I told my friend to watch and he has advised the people involved to watch as well. Your advice is good - thanks. We will keep watching this thread for your posts. You have not answered my other PM's ? did you get them. My friend has asked you for some details but has not heard from you by PM either.....but thanks a lot for what you have told us. back to the grindstone - or should I say drawing board! I'm working for a big firm of architects now We look forwards to your comments and thanks for the help ok. #6 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Gauteng - Home Of The Warriors 14 35 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts Asterix Junior Member Reply With Quote Thanks given for this post: Lawyer Destroyer (28-Oct-10) 26-Oct-10, 10:02 AM Directors Duties and Liabilities in RSA OK – Back from Cape Town and catching up. I asked around a bit on this saga and got a colleague who has some specialist access to have a quick glance and do some research for me as well. Asterix (and friend/s – fellow Gauls?) – You must push this particular issue into criminal charges, there are several reasons, some which I cannot share with you right now, but which will become clear later. There is an old maxim “seek and ye shall find…â€. You may not have the tools or the access at the moment, but there are those that do and they are already briefed and waiting in the wings – waiting and watching….. This situation is going from Gray to Black very quickly. You need to determine initially if it is a Ponzi scheme or not. Once that is determined the way forward becomes very very clear – quickly. As I wrote earlier and presented a definition, you need to match this up to available information and facts – once established, the fun and games begin. From what I can see and from what I have gathered……it smells like a Ponzi scheme, it sounds like a Ponzi scheme, and it clearly resembles a Ponzi scheme. This is a serious situation and needs to be treated seriously ok. People who commit these are always con artists with silver tongues, credible people who present well, convincing individuals who have support from their own family members and #7 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Gauteng 61 13 Thanked 28 Times in 21 Posts Lawyer Destroyer Full Member converted by Web2PDFConvert.com
  • 5. present well, convincing individuals who have support from their own family members and relatives, their own “infrastructure†– “vra my broer Jack, hy lieg net so hard soos ek….â€who for the large part have been compartmentalised and only have parts of the truth….. If your friend has not spent the money on a private investigator yet – now is an ideal time….there are a number of really good ones and alongside a good reputable law firm are an arsenal and formidable force – . Next he/she must team up with the group who are already contesting/investigating the business collapse (unity is strength). Lastly – go in and see a member of the SAPS who deals with this type of action. Just ask at your local police station – they will point you in the right direction. This will prepare you for what you have to do next. Finally and I have PM’d you both a specific checklist. This is a dirty situation and you need to ensure that you stay and play by the rules all the time. There will be many opportunities to slide bases – take no shortcuts, just do this one step at a time, one day at a time. Remember if you sit by the river of life long enough the bodies of your enemies will eventually float by you….. In the greater scheme of things this is a small fry liquidation, but a very good example to be set especially from what I have seen and can gather. So, persist in your efforts and remember the words of Winston Churchill – Never, never,never,never, never, never give up. I have asked a number of friends and colleagues to follow this particular case and we will send you a PM link to a separate location where we will give you the benefit of specialist advice (not professional mind you) as well as otherwise unobtainable information that your friend/s will find invaluable. We will not mention names or anything else – don’t want the bad guys in this story knowing any more than they do ok. As things develop I will let you know, but in the meantime, I want to rather focus on the other thread http://www.theforumsa.co.za/forums/s...ead.php?t=8355 to the benefit of the broader business community. It is a very sensitive subject and I am going to try and play it out as an educational process in steps. Please follow that one too….it is important and will also reference several areas and information you and your friend may find applicable and useful. Reply With Quote Thanks given for this post: Asterix (01-Nov-10) 26-Oct-10, 10:14 AM Asterix and others – In continuation with this thread and the research carried out so far:- Let us first test the situation:- What is a Ponzi Scheme ? According to the US SEC (reference http://www.sec.gov/answers/ponzi.htm) What is a Ponzi scheme? A Ponzi scheme is an investment fraud that involves the payment of purported returns to existing investors from funds contributed by new investors. Ponzi scheme organizers often solicit new investors by promising to invest funds in opportunities claimed to generate high returns with little or no risk. In many Ponzi schemes, the fraudsters focus on attracting new money to make promised payments to earlier-stage investors and to use for personal expenses, instead of engaging in any legitimate investment activity. What are some Ponzi scheme “red flagsâ€? Many Ponzi schemes share common characteristics. Look for these warning signs: High investment returns with little or no risk. Overly consistent returns. Unregistered investments. Unlicensed sellers. Secretive and/or complex strategies. Issues with paperwork. Difficulty receiving payments. Now, I don’t want to guess what this DS Grieve Bridging Solutions (Pty) Ltd was and I don’t want to try and outguess any Judge who may end up ruling on this but the old saying….If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…..may just be applicable. #8 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Gauteng 61 13 Thanked 28 Times in 21 Posts Lawyer Destroyer Full Member Reply With Quote Thanks given for this post: Asterix (01-Nov-10) 27-Oct-10, 06:38 AM Thanks LD - Thanks for the info - and for all the information. That is unbelievable. You must be a wizard #9 Asterix Junior Member converted by Web2PDFConvert.com
  • 6. « The bitch is back! to have such unbelievable knowledge. I also enjoyed reading the other posting on the liquidations thread - thanks. Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Gauteng - Home Of The Warriors 14 35 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts Reply With Quote 27-Oct-10, 10:06 PM Dokter DS Grieve en sy Ponzi Skemas Ek kan Engels lees maar swak skryf...so. Ek ken die ou hoor. Toe ek die storie lees was ek glad nie verbaas nie. Die selfde Dr Grieve het n’ Ponzi skema in omtrent 2000 – 2001/2 ek dink dit was, gehardloop toe hy nog dokter was in Clubview. Die ou kon so goed lieg – en hy het sy naam as dokter gebruik en misbruik – jong! Hy was nie skaam nie. Hy het toe al sy beleggers se geld verloor. Hy is n’ blik emmer hoor. Die Skerpioene het hom toe al ondersoek en sy prokureur het gepleit dat hy alles sou reg maak en hy het die beleggers toe uit sy eie sak blykbaar terug betaal – dus was daar nie kriminele klagtes teen hom gele nie. Die ou het sy eerste vrou ook lelik verneuk en al haar families se gelde blykbaar gevat. Hy kan glad nie vertrou word nie. Hy het heen en weer probeer om my en ander te oorreed dat hy n’ regte finansies maatskappy gehad het April maand laas jaar en weer in Julie maand, maar ons het geweet hy is net skelm en hom vermy. Hy kon nie eers sy balans staat vir ons wys nie - net prente op papier om te wys wat verdien hy.....maar borrelgom, niks feite nie - daar was geen feite nie. Hy het gehardloop toe ons se ons sal die boeke laat oudit eers.....toe was dit een rede na die ander.....Hy het so gelieg. Ek het vir almal vertel – moet niks met die ou te doen hê nie, jy gaan jou geld verloor. Hy het n’ groot verhouding met n’ meisie kelner by sy restaurant Cynthia’s gehad en dit was agter sy vrou se rug en het vir n’ lang tyd aangegaan. Hy kon homself net nie inhou nie. Sy het haarself na ure sat gedrink aanhoudend en verniet op die restaurant se onkoste en het ons soms verniet drank gegee agter sy rug. Sy was verseker nie mooi mens nie – n’ regte madam van Welkom af wat haar oog altyd op die geld, net die geld, altyd gehad het. Moes altyd almal wys hoe beter sy was en hoeveel sy kon spandeer… . As ek enige iemand nou raad kan gee – loop direk SAPS toe ssm en kla hom aan. Sy besigheid was nog nooit n’ ordentlike besigheid nie en hy het net mense se geld ingetrek om te vat. Soos ek gesê het – ek ken die ou en hy is oneerlik en skelm – n’ regte egte slegte persoon. Julle moenie sy k – a – k vat nie. Hy lieg en swaai soos n’ blaar in die wind. En sy tweede vrou, die kelner, ek dink haar naam was Sanet – wat n treinwraak, die meisie was slegte nuus jong. Maar hy, wat so geleerde man is, dat hy sulke nonsens aanjaag, ja nee. Die enigste tyd wat sy lippe nie beweeg nie is wanneer hy die waarheid praat …..Die volgende eerlike verklaring wat hy maak – sal sy eerste een wees. Ek weet – hy het sy leuens by my ook aangebring. Aanhoudend. Maar ek het geweet, hy is niks werd nie en net n’ slegte luiperd wat rondsluip en soek vir prooi . Ek hoop hy swaai – hy het baie mense se lewens verwoes – eintlik albei van hulle. Ek kan nou nog nie glo hoe sleg mens die ou geword het nie. Hulle het Geld voor God gesit – die bewys is daar. Aai slegte mense. Wie ook al die fotos van hulle Facebook profiele gevat het en die woorde “bedrog†ens by gesit het – mooi so. Dis n’ goeie waarskuwing aan almal. Lui die klokkie – laat mense weet, hier kom n’ paar skelms – steek julle geld weg. #10 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Pretoria, Gauteng 21 6 Thanked 17 Times in 13 Posts Ruiter In Swart Junior Member Last edited by Ruiter In Swart; 27-Oct-10 at 10:21 PM. Reply With Quote Thank given for this post: Asterix (27-Oct-10), Lawyer Destroyer (28-Oct-10) + Reply to Thread Page 1 of 10 1 2 3 ... Last Chapter 7 MeansTest Determine If Chapter 7 Is An Option For You, CompleteA Free Evaluation www.Chapter7.com Law Firms(Local) Patricia Cresta-Savage Criminal, Employment & Business Law www.pcslaw.net Ch. 13 Bankruptcy Lawyer Filing For Ch.13 Bankruptcy? Call Us Now For Legal Help - Free Eval Belsky-Weinberg-Horowitz.com Tags for this Thread david stephen grieve, dr ds grieve, ds grieve, ina papenfus, sanet grieve botha View Tag Cloud Digg Did you like this article? Share it with your favourite social network. You may not post new threads You may not post replies Posting Permissions BB code is On Smilies are On converted by Web2PDFConvert.com
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  • 8. Forum Social Category The Whistleblower Forum Directors Duties and Liabilities in RSA Welcome to The Forum SA. As a visitor you have read only access to the public content areas of this website. You will have to register as a member to access all content, post messages and network with our members. Membership is free and registering is quick and easy. You can click here to register now and become a member within minutes. Thread: Directors Duties and Liabilities in RSA About TFSA | Help | Twitter User Name Password Log in Remember Me? RegisterHelp Search Web Forum SA Free Background Checks Get A Instant & Complete Background Check. View Criminal History & More topicologist.com/Background_Checks Background Checks Find the best places to run a background check today! www.businessrank.com Homepage Articles Blogs What's New? Today's Posts FAQ Calendar ForumActions QuickLinks AdvancedSearch Free Background Checks Get A Instant & Complete Background Check. View Criminal History & More topicologist.com/Background_Checks Death Certificates Search Death Certificate Records Online & Find Certificates Today. legalcorner.com/death-certificates + Reply to Thread Results 11 to 20 of 92 Page 2 of 10 1 2 3 4 ...First Last Thread Tools Display 27-Oct-10, 10:17 PM I'm glad you were sharp enough to avoid being crooked. If you have a problem with the English you can try here. You can copy and paste any text and the translation will appear. It's not perfect but it works for me many times. #11 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Jan 2010 Cape Town 1,504 181 Thanked 256 Times in 214 Posts AndyD Platinum Member _______________________________________________ "If I had asked people what they wanted they would have said faster horses." - Henry Ford. _______________________________________________ Reply With Quote Thank given for this post: Asterix (28-Oct-10), Lawyer Destroyer (28-Oct-10), Ruiter In Swart (27-Oct-10) 27-Oct-10, 10:26 PM Dokter Grieve Ponzi Skemas Ja, thanks Andy. I only try - but it is easy for me in Afrikaans. If I convert it I will also not know if the grammar is right and then I sit with a red face looking like a stupid person. If you can translate it and check the grammar for me I will appreciate it. I know most probably many people only speak English and especially foreign people, Thanks. #12 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Pretoria, Gauteng 21 6 Thanked 17 Times in 13 Posts Ruiter In Swart Junior Member Reply With Quote Thank given for this post: Asterix (28-Oct-10), Lawyer Destroyer (28-Oct-10) 28-Oct-10, 04:19 AM Dr DS Grieve - PONZI Scheme in Pretoria Ruiter In Swart, #13 Join Date: Location: Oct 2010 Gauteng - Home Of Asterix Junior Member Forum converted by Web2PDFConvert.com
  • 9. Thank you for the comments. I have just emailed my friend to read what you have said. I have also sent you a PM. Would like you to speak with my friend urgently. By voorbaat dankie ..... or is it just baie dankie ? my Afrikaans is worse than your English so don't feel bad.......... Location: Posts: Thanks: Gauteng - Home Of The Warriors 14 35 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts Reply With Quote Thanks given for this post: Lawyer Destroyer (01-Nov-10) 29-Oct-10, 05:58 AM Directors Duties and Liabilities in RSA icw the Dr DS Grieve Businesses Asterix, I would like to put forward a number of key words. Once the final act of the Grieve saga is played out I would like to look back at this and refer to these words. Ask your friend to note these key words as well. These are not all but include racketeering, money laundering, tax fraud, operating the business of a bank without being registered, contravening (in many instances and in multiple places) the Banks Act, the Harmful Business Practice Act, The National Credit Act and the Companies Act, as well as fraud, embezzlement and theft by misrepresentation and conversion. #14 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Gauteng 61 13 Thanked 28 Times in 21 Posts Lawyer Destroyer Full Member Reply With Quote Thanks given for this post: Asterix (01-Nov-10) 29-Oct-10, 11:55 PM Dokter David Grieve van Centurion, (en Clubview) Pretoria Baie mense het my pm boodskappe hierop gestuur oor die ou. Ek het met paar oproepe en navorsing baie goeie informasie oor hom in die hande gekry vir julle. Ek wag vir nog bietjie maar sal seker Maandag gedurende die dag n' hele verhaal oor hom opsit. Dit gaan julle weg blaas. Veral die nuutste goed wat ek vanaand gekry het. Kan ek nou se waar hy bly en wat sy telefoon, werk, die karre wat hy en sy vrou bestuur, registrasie ens besonderhede is ?? asook baie van hulle belange.... Ek is n' regte besigheids man, die ou is voltyds net n' skelm..en hy behoort ontmasker te word... #15 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Pretoria, Gauteng 21 6 Thanked 17 Times in 13 Posts Ruiter In Swart Junior Member Reply With Quote Thank given for this post: Asterix (01-Nov-10), Lawyer Destroyer (30-Oct-10) 30-Oct-10, 10:09 AM Directors Duties and Liabilities in RSA Ruiter - I am sure there are a number of people waiting....including me....thanks for the PM and all the info. I forgot to ask you - Do you live next door to this character...? keep up the good work! I am sure a lot of people are going to be happy for your contributions - in any language. #16 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Gauteng 61 13 Thanked 28 Times in 21 Posts Lawyer Destroyer Full Member Reply With Quote Thanks given for this post: Asterix (01-Nov-10) 31-Oct-10, 05:04 AM Directors Duties and Liabilities in RSA vav Dr DS Grieve Asterix and others - during the night I have received some significant information which I have PM'd Asterix. Pse get it from him if you have an interest here. It is certainly apparent that there #17 Lawyer Destroyer Full Member converted by Web2PDFConvert.com
  • 10. has been a lot more than meets the eye going on inside this Grieve Group of companies and I am sure over the next few weeks significant steps are in the offing with major developments and press releases. Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Gauteng 61 13 Thanked 28 Times in 21 Posts Reply With Quote Thanks given for this post: Asterix (01-Nov-10) 01-Nov-10, 11:13 AM Die Dokter Grieve Storie Mense, ek sit die storie net nou aanmekaar of vanaand. Asteriks ek het vir jou en die lawyer destroyer n' pm gestuur met al die ou se besonderhede. Ek is gevra om nie sy persoonlike besonderhede op die oomblik te publiseer nie. Julle het dit alles nou met die pm in elk geval. Ek gaan die storie van sy verneukery en lenings besigheid verhaal binnekort opsit. Ek wag net vir nog een oproep. Asteriks ek het jou my sel gestuur. Bel my. #18 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Pretoria, Gauteng 21 6 Thanked 17 Times in 13 Posts Ruiter In Swart Junior Member Reply With Quote 02-Nov-10, 05:19 AM Agter Elke Man......Behind every good man.... Julle onthou seker Steve Hofmeyer in Agter Elke Man ...Ek weet dis n' Engelse Forum die en ek hoop julle neem my nie kwalik oor my Afrikaans nie. Ek skryf die Grieve storie nog op - maar julle moet weet, vir my is dit een vinger keyboard klap. Dit gaan maar stadig. Maar ek het nou n' gedagte wat ek wil uitle. Hulle se mos agter elke goeie man staan daar n' gelyke goeie of beter vrou. Julle weet, ek het die Dokter Grieve jare terug leer ken. Hy was toe nogal n' smart ou gewees en ek het van hom eintlik in die begin gehou. Hy het n' toekoms gehad n' pragtige vrou - nie n' seks bom nie, maar mooi. Sommer so goeie ou boere poppie. Toe gebeur daar iets in sy kop en die volgende ding wat ek hoor het almal om hom klomp geld verloor. Dis mos die eerste klokkie wat lui. Toe hoor ek nou daar word van sy eie sak uitbetaal om die mense reg te sien. Toe dog ek, wel, dis eintlik n' slim ding om te doen - die regte ding om te doen. Toe sien ek hom eendag in Centurion saam n' nuwe vrou - met twee duim donker wortel in haar gedaaide blond hare. Nou, se ek dit nou nie lelik nie, maar gaan kyk bietjie na die facebook foto van Sanet Grieve - ek sal dit ook publiseer ek het n' kopie gemaak - hoe lyk sy. Dis nou n' regte demon - met swart oe en al. Die vrou was nie van die aarde toe ek haar die eerste keer sien nie, sy het hard oorgekom, nie net hard nie, maar sy het ook so hard en lelik gepraat en haar rondgegooi soos ek weet nie wat nie, geskreeu op mense oor die selfoon ens. Lelik mense, lelik. Toe dog ek aan myself, ou dokter, jy moet wys wees hier my perd, die vrou gaan jou aftrek. Ek het myself daardie dag gese, en ek onthou dit so goed - vir die dokter is die vrou net n' ongeluk wat wag om te gebeur....en sowaar kyk net vandag. Hier is n' mediese dokter wat tussen ons was, n gewese gemeentskap leier, n' persoon na wie almal van Centurion, Valhalla Tennis Klub en tot die Aksie Netbal Span van Noord Transvaal toe opgekyk het. En kyk waar sit hy nou - naam gesink, loopbaan in die modder. Aai jy weet ek kan dit nie verstaan nie. Nou vra ek julle - wat dink julle - agter elke man ....wat ....in hierdie instansie? - ek self dink aan die ou geseg - Meng jou met die semels dan vreet die varke jou op.....of hoe...? Dalk sal een van die Engelse mods die stuk vertaal vir my asb..? #19 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Pretoria, Gauteng 21 6 Thanked 17 Times in 13 Posts Ruiter In Swart Junior Member Last edited by Ruiter In Swart; 02-Nov-10 at 05:39 AM. Reply With Quote 02-Nov-10, 09:24 AM Directors Duties and Liabilities in RSA As located on the internet - from their Facebook page.. Dr DS Grieve and wife Sanet Grieve #20 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Gauteng 61 13 Thanked 28 Times in 21 Posts Lawyer Destroyer Full Member converted by Web2PDFConvert.com
  • 11. ---- tfsates3 « The bitch is back! Contact Us The Forum SA Archive Privacy Statement Top All times are GMT +2. The time now is 06:33 AM. Powered by vBulletin® Version 4.1.7 Copyright © 2011 vBulletin Solutions, Inc. All rights reserved. Copyright © 2006 - 2011 The Forum SA. Content published under the Creative Commons (by-nc-sa) licence except where indicated otherwise. Content may not be republished for commercial gain without written permission from The Forum SA. All content is subject to this general disclaimer notice. Dr DS Grieve Dr DS Grieve FaceBook Profile Picture Reply With Quote Thanks given for this post: Asterix (02-Nov-10) + Reply to Thread Page 2 of 10 1 2 3 4 ...First Last Ch. 13 Bankruptcy Lawyer Filing For Ch.13 Bankruptcy? Call Us Now For Legal Help - Free Eval Belsky-Weinberg-Horowitz.com Chapter 7 MeansTest Determine If Chapter 7 Is an Option for You, Complete a Free Evaluation www.Chapter7.com Baltimore Bankruptcy Atty Free Consultation- 410-356-1074 Keep your home, car. Payment plans www.bankruptcymdlaw.com Tags for this Thread david stephen grieve, dr ds grieve, ds grieve, ina papenfus, sanet grieve botha View Tag Cloud Digg del.icio.us StumbleUpon Google muti Laaikit Facebook My Yahoo! Did you like this article? Share it with your favourite social network. You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts Posting Permissions BB code is On Smilies are On [IMG] code is On HTML code is Off Forum Rules Ads byGoogle Bankruptcy CH 7 Bankruptcy Help Bankruptcy Forms converted by Web2PDFConvert.com
  • 12. Forum Social Category The Whistleblower Forum Directors Duties and Liabilities in RSA Welcome to The Forum SA. As a visitor you have read only access to the public content areas of this website. You will have to register as a member to access all content, post messages and network with our members. Membership is free and registering is quick and easy. You can click here to register now and become a member within minutes. Thread: Directors Duties and Liabilities in RSA About TFSA | Help | Twitter User Name Password Log in Remember Me? RegisterHelp Search Web Forum SA Ch. 13 Bankruptcy Lawyer Filing For Ch.13 Bankruptcy? Call Us Now For Legal Help - Free Eval Belsky-Weinberg-Horowitz.com Baltimore Bankruptcy Atty Free Consultation- 410-356-1074 Keep your home, car. Payment plans www.bankruptcymdlaw.com Homepage Articles Blogs What's New? Today's Posts FAQ Calendar ForumActions QuickLinks AdvancedSearch Ch. 13 Bankruptcy Lawyer Filing For Ch.13 Bankruptcy? Call Us Now For Legal Help - Free Eval Belsky-Weinberg-Horowitz.com Maria R. Flynn, Esq. Maryland Loan Modification Attorney Reduce Mortgage! 2% interest rate. www.mariaflynnlaw.com + Reply to Thread Results 21 to 30 of 92 Page 3 of 10 1 2 3 4 5 ...First Last Thread Tools Display 02-Nov-10, 09:58 PM Directors Duties and Liabilities in RSA LD and Ruiter In Swart - thanks for the information which was incredible - and thanks to several others for the PM'd stuff and info as well - especially the stuff on LVK Trust cc and the Willem Storm Attorney involvement - seriously fishy stuff there, my mate is taking this up at high speed - this has to get investigated by a higher authority - its just a big scam. I spoke with my friend just now and have been told that he will E publish the transcripts and papers in due course or pass it to you for publication and linking on this forum. It will certainly set the cat among the pigeons. There is no doubt it is a serious case of fraud, embezzlement and theft - and a confirmed Ponzi scheme (thanks for sorting that LD). This has been established legally by LD. I understand there is much happening now and lots afoot. LD it will almost certainly end up in criminal charges - however there is as always a possibility that they strike some sort of deal - these slimy creatures always manage to wangle away. Lets wait and see mmmmmmmh. Thanks for the details - and all the help. Man, this forum is red hot and there are a lot of helpful people on here. The Grieve saga is going to be one to watch.......I don't think they are ever going to open a business here again though - and probably not overseas either if charges are pressed home. That will almost also certainly sound the death knell on the illustrious Dr DS Grieve medical career as well. Interestingly we found out that of his R28 million rands worth of investor creditors - his single biggest creditor is the person he must have once most admired and looked up to - his own big brother. He apparently took him for around R10 million rand under the guise of the "highly safe" investment business which he had already stopped and ceased running before his brother was convinced to invest in it early last year....He never even told him he was closing the company or anything - and apparently has never repaid him a single cent - not a cent!......the old fella who was already medically boarded and on ongoing treatment lost his pension, house, cars etc and was bankrupted somewhere in New Zealand in August......man, that is hard core and cold-hearted - to sink your own brother......man, seriously, you have to be cuckoo or psychopathic to do that....what could ever ever make a man do that to his own flesh and blood??. Take ALL his money and not even tell him he was closing down his businesses, not even warn him, in fact from what I was told, he actually convinced him everything was going so well that he even prompted the old man to go on and sign sales and purchase agreements on his house and another property just days before the liquidation when he knew he wasn't going to give him any money back.....- just held his hand, patted him on the shoulder and led him blindfold to the slaughter house -saying "don't worry brother - trust me - I am your eyes" and then lined him up to be shot - Unbelievable! There is quite a story to be told on this - I could not believe what I was told either - or the background to this whole story. This doctor is seriously deranged - why would anyone do this to his brother that obviously had enough trust, faith and love to put his life savings in his hands.....man, that is cold. What could possibly make a person this greedy and despicable? Wonder how he lives with himself - knowing this....man, that is cold-hearted. I am astounded... #21 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Gauteng - Home Of The Warriors 14 35 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts Asterix Junior Member Reply With Quote Thank given for this post: Lawyer Destroyer (03-Nov-10), Ruiter In Swart (03-Nov-10) 03-Nov-10, 06:37 AM Die Dokter Grieve Storie Hoe meer ek hoor en lees hoe meer is ek oortuig hierdie ou dokter is n' sleg moer jong. Wag totdat ek my kant opsit. Die storie raak elke dag erger..... #22 Join Date: Oct 2010 Ruiter In Swart Junior Member Forum converted by Web2PDFConvert.com
  • 13. Location: Posts: Thanks: Pretoria, Gauteng 21 6 Thanked 17 Times in 13 Posts Reply With Quote Thank given for this post: Asterix (06-Nov-10), Lawyer Destroyer (03-Nov-10) 03-Nov-10, 09:15 AM The story getting worse is good, it means the story is getting out. #23 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Jan 2010 Cape Town 1,504 181 Thanked 256 Times in 214 Posts AndyD Platinum Member _______________________________________________ "If I had asked people what they wanted they would have said faster horses." - Henry Ford. _______________________________________________ Reply With Quote Thank given for this post: Asterix (06-Nov-10), Lawyer Destroyer (03-Nov-10) 03-Nov-10, 10:26 AM Directors Duties and Liabilities in RSA Asterix/Ruiter - this is one of the ugliest most treacherous ones I have seen. I have a lot more info, will fill you both in by pm. Its a bad one, but this guy will go to down hard. It is getting clearer and clearer. #24 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Gauteng 61 13 Thanked 28 Times in 21 Posts Lawyer Destroyer Full Member Reply With Quote Thanks given for this post: Asterix (06-Nov-10) 04-Nov-10, 06:36 AM Dr Grieve se storie Ja nee jong Andy - hys n regte slegte blik sem...jy weet wat ek meen. Die goed wat julle my gestuur het is ongelooflik. Ek kan dit nie glo nie. #25 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Pretoria, Gauteng 21 6 Thanked 17 Times in 13 Posts Ruiter In Swart Junior Member Reply With Quote Thanks given for this post: Asterix (06-Nov-10) converted by Web2PDFConvert.com
  • 14. 04-Nov-10, 10:12 PM Directors Duties and Liabilities in RSA The link and obvious relationship between Dr DS Grieve - Willem Storm Attorney - and LVK Trust is getting clearer - or is that murkier. Interestingly enough running a credit check on the now defunct businesses and Dr DS Grieve reveals that LVK Trust cc knew (by a miracle?) somehow a long time before that he was going under and was checking up on him regularly - and I mean regularly. The online Government Green Gazette reveals that Pretoria Attorney Willem Storm was dealing with Dr DS Grieve and co before against other businesses. The link between LVK Trust CC and Willem Storm Attorney - as everybody in Pretoria knows....is a matter of a simple dotted line - fully connected. So now we have a state of affairs whereby Dr DS Grieve in concert with Willem Storm Attorney in concert with others is liquidating a company with a lot of cash money missing .......and declaring same excuses as in other liquidations. Time to get out the magnifying glass on this lot. Ben - time to get a combined legal and SARS investigative audit team in to do some retrospective case examination perhaps ?? 2 years would be good - this one smells like an old fish. #26 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Gauteng 61 13 Thanked 28 Times in 21 Posts Lawyer Destroyer Full Member Reply With Quote Thanks given for this post: Asterix (06-Nov-10) 05-Nov-10, 06:23 AM Die Dokter Grieve se stories Ek praat met een van my pelle gisteraand wat die ou dokter en sy vrou ken. Hy vertel dat hulle nou blykbaar alles blameer op die "slegte" raad wat hulle by ou Willem Storm Prokureur van Pretoria gekry het en hoe "useless" hy is. Hy het hulle blykbaar gewaarborg dis alles oor en klaar in onder ses maande....Daar smeer hulle hom nou ook sommer met n' teer borsel swart ook. Dit lyk my die ou en sy vrou lieg meer as n' Engelse TV weer voorspel. Almal is verkeerd en almal het hulle ingedoen en almal is onnodig kwaad vir hulle.....die bliksems. Die dokter vertel dis alles die bank se skuld, want hulle wou hom nie meer geld leen nie - leen vir wat ? leen hom geld vir wat ?? sy geld leen besigheid was lankal toe - April maand laas jaar al.... die blik emmer - geld groei nie op bome nie ou perd.....Hulle het blykbaar eenvoudig net n' Ponzi skema gehardloop en is nou uitgevang en hy gaan verseker tronk toe. Die vrou is ook blykbaar n' Artclay Instrukteur gewees wat haar lesse gebruik het om mense te identifieseer wat geld het om in hulle Ponzi skema in te trek. En dis nou die tweede Ponzi skema vir die dekselse dokter...Hy moet maar swaai en sy ook en die prokureur en die likwidateer as hulle gekonkel het...... #27 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Pretoria, Gauteng 21 6 Thanked 17 Times in 13 Posts Ruiter In Swart Junior Member Reply With Quote Thanks given for this post: Asterix (06-Nov-10) 06-Nov-10, 07:12 AM Dr DS Grieve a Pathological Liar....? LD/RIS/Andy D, Others - if there is one thing becoming clearer and clearer, and it must be to even a casual onlooker - is that Dr DS Grieve (and his wife) is a Pathological liar. I am reliably told that this surfaced recently when he was caught out again and again and again under oath - lying.... I have some photos coming of the pair of them at the University of Pretoria GIBS MBA course function in public as well as some photos of the doctor on a previous course which I will put up once they are sent to me. I have also located some pics of the "comfort caller" Ina Papenfus who covered for this scoundrel and sold the concerned creditors a pack of lies knowingly for months on end instead of taking the moral high ground honestly and righteously and her fiance the Grieves right hand man Andre Botha of Centurion who now works for Sucubati in Sandton and who secretly stripped all the physical assets (that Grieve declared stolen by his employees) out of the company on Grieve's instructions and stored them away from deserving creditors. I will post these linked up soon - just waiting for them to be displayed by someone else on a digi pic storage site. So Dr DS Grieve - Pathological Liar? - read this - according to very good resources there is a tick in each and every box ... So what you may ask is a pathological liar and how does a person recognise them ? Identifying a Pathological LiarPathological liars - or "mythomaniacs" - may be suffering from histrionic personality disorder or narcissistic personality disorder. The following comments basically reflect a pathological liar who has the characteristics of histrionic personality disorder. Some characteristics 1. Exaggerates things that are ridiculous. 2. One-upping. Whatever you do, this person can do it better. You will never top them in their #28 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Gauteng - Home Of The Warriors 14 35 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts Asterix Junior Member converted by Web2PDFConvert.com
  • 15. own mind, because they have a concerted need to be better than everyone else. This also applies to being right. If you try to confront an individual like this, no matter how lovingly and well-intentioned you might be - this will probably not be effective. It's threatening their fantasy of themselves, so they would rather argue with you and bring out the sharp knives than admit that there's anything wrong with them. 3. They "construct" a reality around themselves. They don't value the truth, especially if they don't see it as hurting anyone. If you call them on a lie and they are backed into a corner, they will act very defensively and say ugly things (most likely but depends on personality), but they may eventually start to act like, "Well, what's the difference? You're making a big deal out of nothing!" (again, to refocus the conversation to your wrongdoing instead of theirs). 4. Because these people don't value honesty, a lot of times they will not value loyalty. So watch what you tell them. They will not only tell others, but they will embellish to make you look worse. Their loyalty is fleeting, and because they are insecure people, they will find solace in confiding to whomever is in their favor at the moment. 5. They may be somewhat of a hypochondriac. This can come in especially useful when caught in a lie, for example, they can claim that they have been sick, or that there's some mysteriously "illness" that has them all stressed out. It's another excuse tool for their behavior. 6. Obviously, they will contradict what they say. This will become very clear over time. They usually aren't smart enough to keep track of so many lies (who would be?). Another WikiAnswers contributor adds: They lie about even the smallest things. For example, saying "I brushed my teeth today," when they didn't. They add exaggerations to every sentence. They change their story all the time. They act very defensively when you question their statements. They believe what they say is true, when everyone else knows it isn't. An alternate 'checklist':Lies when it is very easy to tell the truth. Lies to get sympathy, to look better, to save their butt, etc. Fools people at first but once they get to know him, no one believes anything they ever say. May have a personality disorder. Extremely manipulative. Has been caught in lies repeatedly. Never fesses up to the lies. Is a legend in their own mind. More opinions and input from WikiAnswers contributors: I have found a few differences in pathological liar and a "slime ball" liar. Pathological liars cannot tell that they are lying; they actually believe the lie as soon as it comes out of their mouth. They lie about unimportant things that don't really matter to anyone. This can be caused by mental defect but isn't always. Slime-ball liars lie about things that make them look better or embellish to get attention. They also lie to keep their butts out of trouble and to get what they want. Here are things to ask yourself: How could this many things happen to one person? Would believe these stories if someone else told you? Think back to the beginning: you had red flags and alarms going off in you head. Learn to trust your instincts. It is very hard to tell when one is a pathological liar. Some people just are liars and lie to lie because they can and they don't care about getting caught and aware that you know they have lied. These people care not about lying, it's no big deal. It's like "ok, so what? I lied". The pathological liar on the other hand, IS aware that they are lying BUT will go to extremes to make you believe that they are truthful. They appear to believe their own lies BUT in truth, they know their lies are just that, lies. But because their efforts are constantly backing up their lies, it appears to us that they actually believe their lies, when we eventually do find out about them and then we tend to feel sorry for these people. Then they have an excuse, "I am sick, I don't know why I lie, I believed what I was saying etc." The only truth was the fact that they don't know why they lie. Other than that it's crap. It is true that most of them have an extremely low sense of self worth and are continuously trying to make themselves feel better about THEMSELVES and this is one reason they lie. It is about them but the lies are not always set up with the purpose to hurt some one else; it's that these people feel so low about themselves they need to create ANYTHING different from the ugly reality they feel about themselves so they lie about even the most tiniest little thing. The people closest to them get sucked into these lies which sometimes start as something very trivial and then turn into something that can turn everyone involved worlds upside down and inside out. Unmasking the pathological liar is an easier task when the pathological liar is no more than a casual acquaintence to the "un-masker." Close relationships provide camouflage for the pathological liar, and intimacy provides a heavily-fortressed breeding ground. Other indicators: 1) Rage attacks after they realize you're questioning their lies. 2) Distraction techniques, e.g. hanging up the phone when you catch them in lie, playing word games, or even just running out of the room. After using the distraction technique, or rage attack, or sometimes both, they will pretend that nothing ever happened. They re-write history, so it never did happen in their minds. Normal people do it too, but these people take it to the extreme. From "Go Ask Alice": Lies are unplanned and impulsive. Behavior is repeated over a long period of time. Lies don't seem to exist for any external reason. Behavior may not always be a conscious act. Lies are admitted, changed, and/or adapted if a false story is challenged. From Andrea Broadbent "The Truth about Truman": To begin, the definition of pathological actually means abnormal or grossly atypical. Therefore, a pathological liar prevaricates more frequently than the average person or tells more abnormal lies. In most cases, pathological liars tell lies that are "unplanned and impulsive" (Hausman). These lies are usually very emotional stories that tend to serve no purpose except to impress people (Ford 133). As of now, psychiatrists are unsure whether or not pathological liars are fully capable of realizing if and when they are lying, so detecting whether or not a person is a pathological liar is a very difficult task (Hausman). By converted by Web2PDFConvert.com
  • 16. « The bitch is back! looking at the list of conditions commonly connected with people considered to be pathological liars, psychiatrists are better able to determine whether or not a person might actually have the disorder. Some main qualities linked with pathological liars include dysfunctional family origin, family lying patterns, anomalies of sexual life, frequent substance abuse, and a great capacity for language. From Raymond Lloyd Richmond, Ph.D. "Psychological Honesty": Even a pathological liar carries deep in his heart a desire for goodness and honesty and yet, because of painful emotional wounds, believes that the world never has, and never will, recognize his pain. And so, to hide that pain from himself, he uses all the lies he can concoct to hurl at the world as he runs in fear from his own goodness. For me, the first indication has been that I hear them tell different things to different people and they can't all be right, because they directly contradict each other! And I am able to prove it. If you can prove over and over again that things someone is telling you are outright false, then you have a pathological liar on your hands. With the Internet, it is now easier than ever to "fact-check" even the most mundane things. I think pathological liars often lose track of the lies they tell different people and it will eventually catch up with them. Last edited by Asterix; 06-Nov-10 at 07:49 AM. Reply With Quote 07-Nov-10, 10:37 PM Dr D Grieve en sy stories Ja nee jong - dis hy - dis sy pos benaming vir seker. Dis n' slegte mens die sonder twyfel. Wat maak mens so - ? die ou is mos n' dokter - hy kan mos baie geld verdien... #29 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Pretoria, Gauteng 21 6 Thanked 17 Times in 13 Posts Ruiter In Swart Junior Member Reply With Quote 08-Nov-10, 10:32 AM Feature Article & TV Documentary To all readers:- we are in the process of drafting a feature article on Dr DS Grieve and The Grieve Group Pyramid/Ponzi Investment Scheme/s for various national magazines/newspapers and compiling information and interviews for a short televised documentary. If anyone would like to share any currently unpublished information, photographs of Dr DS Grieve, his wife Sanet Grieve aka Sanet Grieve Botha, Grieve family members and relatives, the Botha family and relatives from Centurion and Welkom, in-laws, documents, contracts, names or details of victims - please email this dedicated email address :- dsgrievedocu@webmail.co.za all submissions received in strictest confidence. Nicolene C #30 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Nov 2010 Gauteng 5 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Nicolene C New Member Reply With Quote + Reply to Thread Page 3 of 10 1 2 3 4 5 ...First Last Ch. 13 Bankruptcy Lawyer Filing For Ch.13 Bankruptcy? Call Us Now For Legal Help - Free Eval Belsky-Weinberg-Horowitz.com Law Firms(Local) Patricia Cresta-Savage Criminal, Employment & Business Law www.pcslaw.net Chapter 7 MeansTest Determine If Chapter 7 Is an Option for You, Complete a Free Evaluation www.Chapter7.com Tags for this Thread david stephen grieve, dr ds grieve, ds grieve, ina papenfus, sanet grieve botha View Tag Cloud Digg del.icio.us StumbleUpon Did you like this article? Share it with your favourite social network. You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts Posting Permissions BB code is On Smilies are On [IMG] code is On HTML code is Off Forum Rules converted by Web2PDFConvert.com
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  • 19. is n' paar mense hier in Pretoria (en in Kaapstad) wat jou kleure nou gesien het - en as jy dink jy het met baie geld weggekom is jy verkeerd. Jy dink seker jy is groot meneer omdat jy n' paar mense - vriende, familie en vorige pasiente gevang het met jou beleggings maatskappy......maar ons weet wat het jy gedoen, ons is nie simpel nie, dink jy ons weet nie van jou verneukery nie..... Jy dink miskien saam jou vrou dis ok om die geld wat n' oorlede vriend vir sy vrou en kinders agter gelos het te vat en hulle te verneuk. Jy dink miskien saam met jou vrou julle is vry en daar is niks verder nie......en dink nie so nie - daar is n' lang pad voor ou perd. Jy, pel, het jou eie naam skade aangerig, en jou toekoms lyk nie blink nie - dit lyk bleek. Jy het mos nou klein kind......wat gaan hy se wanneer hy uitvind jy was te k-a-k sleg om jou eie geld te verdien en jy moes klomp ou mense, pasiente en jou eie boetie met oor die R20 miljoen rand uit en uit bedonder - bedonder om jou vrou se "high maintenance" te onderhou. Jy het maar geen genade in jou nie - dis n' feit. My maat dis Afrika die - moet dit nie vergeet nie....jou genade wat jy gewys het sal aan jou terug gewys word.....hoop jy het jou paar dae weg geniet.....Ons verwelkom jou kommentaar hierop.....maar ons glo nie jy is mans genoeg nie. Skelms hou altyd van donker en stilte..... Hier is baie oor die ou... http://www.slideshare.net/KVDMerwe/documents Thanks: 6 Thanked 17 Times in 13 Posts Last edited by Ruiter In Swart; 10-Nov-10 at 08:49 AM. Reply With Quote Thanks given for this post: Asterix (15-Nov-10) 10-Nov-10, 09:02 AM Info Request on Dr DS Grieve and Co by Nicolene I can confirm that I have spoken with - and this morning met with - Nicolene who has requested information on Dr DS Grieve. Nicolene has our full support and has provided sufficient credibility. Good article and TV doco coming up. #34 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Gauteng 61 13 Thanked 28 Times in 21 Posts Lawyer Destroyer Full Member Originally Posted by Lawyer Destroyer Nicolene - I would ask any reader to hold off passing you ANY info at all until we have ascertained who and what you are. I have met two of the other contributors personally and spoken with several more. PM me your contact details and we can speak in private and authenticate just who and what you are ok....then I am quite sure we can do better than a few pictures and papers for you.....read my pm and then call me ok. Reply With Quote Thank given for this post: Asterix (15-Nov-10), flaker (14-Nov-10), Ruiter In Swart (15-Nov-10) 12-Nov-10, 07:00 AM Dr D Grieve se stories Bevestig - Grieve het klomp kontrakte wat sy eie lenings boekskuld opgemaak het uit die maatskappy uitgehaal voordat hy dit gelikwideer het. #35 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Pretoria, Gauteng 21 6 Thanked 17 Times in 13 Posts Ruiter In Swart Junior Member Reply With Quote Thanks given for this post: Asterix (15-Nov-10) 14-Nov-10, 04:44 AM Mickey Mouse from what i read this con -gangster makes the 2 mil Mr Zuma got in bits & pieces for school fees,clothing & the like, appear to be Mickey Mouse stuff,that our media gave Goliath coverage too.I've barely read in the media about this guy that conned pensioners,widows etc.kudos to all #36 flaker Full Member converted by Web2PDFConvert.com
  • 20. of you for the exposureJoin Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: May 2010 durban 92 27 Thanked 14 Times in 12 Posts Reply With Quote Thank given for this post: Asterix (15-Nov-10), Ruiter In Swart (14-Nov-10) 14-Nov-10, 07:25 AM Dr DS Grieve MBChB MBA University of Pretoria (GIBS) Flaker - what a good and useful tool this forum is. In less time than an Inquiry we have uncovered such a wealth of information it is truly astounding. This doctor is just a fraud. No other words for it and the final analysis will be interesting. This guy is really just a man of straw.....nothing more. Lots more follows soon including a few good pics of him and his family "gang" who ran this scam. We have also been supplied with a host of info documents, spreadsheets, contracts, presentations and even some hidden video footage of this scoundrel. Will be sorting through it shortly to see what needs to be sent to those who can best use it. Thanks to the lady who contacted me from xxxxx bank as well. That was exceptional information which will prove invaluable in unseating this character. #37 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Gauteng 61 13 Thanked 28 Times in 21 Posts Lawyer Destroyer Full Member Reply With Quote Thank given for this post: Asterix (15-Nov-10), Ruiter In Swart (14-Nov-10) 14-Nov-10, 10:01 PM Dr DS Grieve se stories Ek het lekker gelag NIcolene - die beskrywing van "Dr DS Grieve - The Phoney Physician" is heel snaaks. Hierso paar fotos wat ek die link by die ander ou gekry het-geniet. Dr DS Grieve en sy vrou - die vorige kelner van Cynthias Restaurant in Maroelana, een Sanet Botha nou Sanet Grieve of Sanet Grieve Botha. Dr DS Grieve-The Phoney Physician #38 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Pretoria, Gauteng 21 6 Thanked 17 Times in 13 Posts Ruiter In Swart Junior Member Last edited by Dave A; 15-Nov-10 at 09:27 AM. Reply With Quote Thanks given for this post: Asterix (15-Nov-10) 14-Nov-10, 10:05 PM Dr DS Grieve Se Stories En ek wil net se die ou is ook nek diep met Blue Finance deurmekaar, die hele storie sal binnekort verskyn. #39 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Pretoria, Gauteng 21 6 Thanked 17 Times in 13 Posts Ruiter In Swart Junior Member converted by Web2PDFConvert.com
  • 21. ---- tfsates3 « The bitch is back! Contact Us The Forum SA Archive Privacy Statement Top All times are GMT +2. The time now is 06:33 AM. Powered by vBulletin® Version 4.1.7 Copyright © 2011 vBulletin Solutions, Inc. All rights reserved. Copyright © 2006 - 2011 The Forum SA. Content published under the Creative Commons (by-nc-sa) licence except where indicated otherwise. Content may not be republished for commercial gain without written permission from The Forum SA. All content is subject to this general disclaimer notice. Reply With Quote Thanks given for this post: Asterix (15-Nov-10) 15-Nov-10, 10:42 AM The Phoney Physician - Thats good! RIS - Nice pic of Grieve at what looks like his GIBS MBA Dinner/Function... GIBS - Can't be proud of this Alumni hey Professor Nick Binedell? "There are three classes of men; lovers of wisdom, lovers of honor, and lovers of gain." - Plato and fools - #40 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Gauteng 61 13 Thanked 28 Times in 21 Posts Lawyer Destroyer Full Member Reply With Quote Thanks given for this post: Asterix (15-Nov-10) + Reply to Thread Page 4 of 10 ... 2 3 4 5 6 ...First Last Ch. 13 Bankruptcy Lawyer Filing For Ch.13 Bankruptcy? Call Us Now For Legal Help - Free Eval Belsky-Weinberg-Horowitz.com Law Firms(Local) Patricia Cresta-Savage Criminal, Employment & Business Law www.pcslaw.net Baltimore Bankruptcy Atty Free Consultation- 410-356-1074 Keep your home, car. Payment plans www.bankruptcymdlaw.com Tags for this Thread david stephen grieve, dr ds grieve, ds grieve, ina papenfus, sanet grieve botha View Tag Cloud Digg del.icio.us StumbleUpon Google muti Laaikit Facebook My Yahoo! Did you like this article? Share it with your favourite social network. You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts Posting Permissions BB code is On Smilies are On [IMG] code is On HTML code is Off Forum Rules Ads byGoogle Bankruptcy CH 7 Bankruptcy Help Bankruptcy Laws converted by Web2PDFConvert.com
  • 22. Forum Social Category The Whistleblower Forum Directors Duties and Liabilities in RSA Welcome to The Forum SA. As a visitor you have read only access to the public content areas of this website. You will have to register as a member to access all content, post messages and network with our members. Membership is free and registering is quick and easy. You can click here to register now and become a member within minutes. Thread: Directors Duties and Liabilities in RSA About TFSA | Help | Twitter User Name Password Log in Remember Me? RegisterHelp Search Web Forum SA Ch. 13 Bankruptcy Lawyer Filing For Ch.13 Bankruptcy? Call Us Now For Legal Help - Free Eval Belsky-Weinberg-Horowitz.com Fiduciary Compliance Helping Plan Sponsors and their advisors get compliance done right www.FiduciaCare.com Homepage Articles Blogs What's New? Today's Posts FAQ Calendar ForumActions QuickLinks AdvancedSearch Ch. 13 Bankruptcy Lawyer Filing For Ch.13 Bankruptcy? Call Us Now For Legal Help - Free Eval Belsky-Weinberg-Horowitz.com Fiduciary Compliance Helping Plan Sponsors and their advisors get compliance done right www.FiduciaCare.com + Reply to Thread Results 41 to 50 of 92 Page 5 of 10 ... 3 4 5 6 7 ...First Last Thread Tools Display 16-Nov-10, 05:18 AM Dr DS Grieve se stories Een van die mense wat hom so bietjie dophou se hy moan omdat mense se hy het dinge gedoen wat hy nie het nie...- en nou raak hy kwaad. Ag shame ou dokter - wat van al die mense wat jy verneuk het ? wat van jou vorige vriende, famielie lede, vorige pasiente, ou mense, siek mense en kruppel mense wat jy en jou vrou die beroemde Centurion Artclay Instrukteur bedonder het? dink jy hulle word nie kwaad nie ? en vir die regte redes nie jou Grieve borrelgom nie..... Die mense het ook n' hele klomp privaat FaceBook boodskappe van jou ontdek asook heelwat texts en emails wat stadig na vore gaan kom.....bly kyk. Hou nou mooi dop. #41 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Pretoria, Gauteng 21 6 Thanked 17 Times in 13 Posts Ruiter In Swart Junior Member Reply With Quote Thanks given for this post: Lawyer Destroyer (17-Nov-10) 16-Nov-10, 06:38 AM The Phoney Physician RIS - incredible what you come up with. I reviewed the information you sourced and I must admit I am astounded. As for the post above - I wonder if He gets angry and upset about the things He said He would do and didn't do - like invest peoples money instead of stealing it, like showing the quality of his MBA studies - I wonder if He gets upset about the things he had to do and committed to do - and failed to do...... Would you trust this man as a medical Doctor ? - not a chance. Heard via the grapevine he was assisting Dr Gideon Van Wyk at Flora Clinic - wonder if those management figures know this dodgy characters background? RIS - call me when I am free about 12h30 today - I will see you for a coffee - this time I will make it ok. #42 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Gauteng 61 13 Thanked 28 Times in 21 Posts Lawyer Destroyer Full Member Reply With Quote 17-Nov-10, 06:33 AM Dr DS Grieve & Blue Financial Services RIS - That would be Blue Financial Services well known lending organisation and stock exchange listed company. The information was exact - again. We checked out the documents - all exactly #43 Lawyer Destroyer Full Member Forum converted by Web2PDFConvert.com
  • 23. as stated - just as you said. Maybe you come and work with us one day hey....that is if you want to earn a small fortune - really small.... Good joke btw - how to make a small fortune ? Invest a big one with this character we are looking at. Between the Dr and his cahoots they have certainly put some innocent souls through some serious misery. But it seems the wheel has turned full circle. Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Gauteng 61 13 Thanked 28 Times in 21 Posts Reply With Quote 17-Nov-10, 07:55 PM Maybe you can fill us in with what has been achieved and what is yet to happen. #44 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Jan 2010 Cape Town 1,504 181 Thanked 256 Times in 214 Posts AndyD Platinum Member _______________________________________________ "If I had asked people what they wanted they would have said faster horses." - Henry Ford. _______________________________________________ Reply With Quote 17-Nov-10, 09:57 PM Dr Doubtful Andy - that would be letting the cat out of the bag early - I have sent you a pm. But it is certainly entertaining. Coincidentally to do with something else I had a good visit to some of the senior SAMS people today which was most enlightening - also spoke to some of this characters former course staff - 1 retired old WO was most talkative and expressed his concern at this character ever becoming a doctor at all. See my pm. #45 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Gauteng 61 13 Thanked 28 Times in 21 Posts Lawyer Destroyer Full Member Reply With Quote 18-Nov-10, 01:44 AM Deal With This Type of Crime Effectively www.leadsa.co.za The most important lines - Stand up for what’s right. Stand up for the law. Stand up for decency, compassion, and respect. Stand up for the future you want for your family. Stand up for your community. Stand up, and lead South Africa. Not soon. Not just now. Now. Because if you don’t, who will? #46 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Gauteng - Home Of The Warriors 14 35 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts Asterix Junior Member Reply With Quote 18-Nov-10, 08:54 PM The Phoney Physicians Dirty Laundry I second that. More in today - mmmmhhhhhhh #47 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Gauteng 61 13 Thanked 28 Times in 21 Posts Lawyer Destroyer Full Member Reply With Quote converted by Web2PDFConvert.com
  • 24. 19-Nov-10, 02:38 PM Dr DS Grieve aka David Stephen Grieve & Sanet Grieve Botha of Centurion Dr DS Grieve Documentary - Thank you for the many contributions, photographs and many web links and other miscellaneous information and to the people who have agreed to meet me. Please keep contributions, photographs and information coming. All information received in utmost confidence. I have been verified by several persons on this site. Nicolene C dsgrievedocu@webmail.co.za Baie dankie almal vir die bydrae - hou asb aan - epos na adres bo. Also seeking information about other parties involved in this that may have been involved in similar cases before in Pretoria. If you have been a victim or had similar experiemces from the same parties involved we would like to hear from you. #48 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Nov 2010 Gauteng 5 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Nicolene C New Member Reply With Quote 21-Nov-10, 10:07 PM An Important Read For Any Business Owner! -Dr DS Grieve - The Saga Asterix and fellow watchers and interested readers - this last week and weekend has had its fair share of revelations wrt this ongoing saga. I became embroiled in this whole affair quite coincidentally and do not know Grieve or any of his victims personally. My interest lies in the many similar cases which have come and gone largely unnoticed until now. Of interest is to note the group involved in The Grieve saga - and to appreciate their history and involvement fully it is necessary to read this horror story which took place right here in SA - for which the scoundrels involved have all taken a good number of lashings. You will also find writings on the Grieve escapade on this site at http://www.sabanks.co.za/live/index....47837&catid=19 ABSA Bank & the demise of foreign investor Mr. Dumisa Mbusi Dlamini from Swaziland http://www.sabanks.co.za/live/index....id=10&Itemid=1 The Horror Story you will witness in these pages is unfortunately not fiction, but a real life experience – The experience of a Major Foreign Investor from Swaziland, Mr. Dumisa Mbusi Dlamini, who saw fit to invest into South Africa, shortly before the 1994 Democratisation of this country. The current situation enjoys all the same players again - a kind of Pretoria based Legal "Boere Mafia" gang of thugs who prey on circumstances, using the law to other peoples disadvantage - for personal gain and enrichment - leaving a clear trail of misery, deceit and despair where ever they extend their greedy hands into specific cases. You know what they say about Leopards and spots........think on this hard after reading. The process of liquidations has become a dirty dirty incorrectly and illegally used and applied legal "instrument" in these peoples hands and in concert they can make the illegal - legal - and the scary thing is, unless you know better or have a principled person or firm to assist - as a creditor - you simply lose and become a statistic. What we have uncovered is the use of false ID numbers, incomplete registration and transfer documents, hiding of assets, accounts and even documents to the disadvantage of creditors, but more importantly massive VAT as well as companies Tax fraud and evasion as well as concealment of true facts pertaining to returns. All this to be revealed. But read the above and specifically read these documents by a journalist - http://www.slideshare.net/KVDMerwe/absa20-annexure20elbs2092 and also http://www.slideshare.net/KVDMerwe/a...xure20elbs2094 And finally this IMPORTANT link http://www.bluechipjournal.co.za/articles/other/423-cipro-meltdown which affects every single business and property owner in RSA. It is a dangerous situation developing that not only allows scurrilous Liquidators, lawyers, accountants and fraudsters to thrive and expand, but which allows for whole corporate identity theft that will not only keep you busy for years trying to untangle, but could very well end your financial existence - the same people are still busy as you can tell from the DS Grieve saga and I have recommended a special commission of inquiry once the final chapter has been written in this story as well as a full audit of this saga and the players involved. It is quite clear that the personalities involved have simply reduced their boundaries and no longer take on the size and shape of Mr Dlamini instead preferring a handful of smaller cases, less complex and just as profitable with less chance of exposure or notoriety. I would urge you as a business owner, property owner or investor to voice your concern and I will with Dave A's permission (Dave - I will be in Dbn soon and come and see you as well), write and post a pre formatted letter to The Minister's Office which I suggest you read, copy and send - forthwith urging them to take urgent action and to spread the word amongst business owners, investors and property owners that the current situation is untenable and must be brought under control - forthwith failing which a petition will be made to the Office #49 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Gauteng 61 13 Thanked 28 Times in 21 Posts Lawyer Destroyer Full Member converted by Web2PDFConvert.com
  • 25. of The State President. I will PM Dave A separately on this, but in the meantime I urge every reader to pass this thread to any business owners or investors or property owners they know and to spread this around - to every bodies advantage - urgently. Failing to do this could ultimately cost you your business, your home and your financial life as you know it. You could also be - the next victim of the contentious liquidations procedure used so abysmally and referred to above. The following paragraphs specifically involving the likes of Dr DS Grieve & Associates (which also includes amongst others one Advocate Derick De Villiers of Creda in Cape Town - whose role has just been brought to my attention - I understand a public pic is forthcoming) should also be considered and their individual roles carefully assessed in the final outcome...... Extract from Page 7 - http://www.sabanks.co.za/live/index....1&limitstart=6 72. Also sadly, the rest of Officialdom are still dragging their feet to do something and help resolve these issues, to restore the Financial Empire of a Major Foreign Investor – A Man, who with his family, had been put on the street without a cent to his name! 73. Also see the attached Affidavit by Liquidator Truter Wouda (Annexure 92), in which he tries to make out that he does not know why the WRONG KLEINDOORNKOP BOERDERY CC , with Reg. No. !998/028045/23, had been used in the liquidation! This is laughable, in light of the clear facts in the former Annexure ELBS 92, which shows us how the Properties had been fraudulently Transferred to this CC where all the fraudulent Bonds have been registered as well. He ignores the fact that this had been a scheme to confuse – A scheme that had been planned long before (1998) to cater for exactly the possibility that the Liquidation of the 1987 CC could be set aside, and facilitate their Legal Gymnastics in this manner. 74. Attached hereto is ELBS’s latest correspondence to ABSA Attorney of Record, Mr. W.A. Du Randt, copied to the head Office of his Law Firm, Tim Du Toit Attorneys in Pretoria, as well as to the ABSA Bank: Legal Litigation and Disputes Team (Annexure ELBS 93). This document sets out the totally illegal process followed, by which Mr. Dlamini’s properties and other Assets had been stolen from him, despite the first Liquidation. The Annexures mentioned in this document is attached in the same order. (Annexure ELBS 93.1) (ELBS 93.2) (ELBS 93.3) (ELBS 93.4) (ELBS 93.5). 75. The attached letter from the Master of the High Court to LVK Trust (Annexure ELBS 94 ) clearly shows that things are, at last, coming to a point. In this letter the Master states that it is clear that Mr. Dlamini had been fraudulently sequestrated, that the Trustees knew this and by going on with administering the Fraudulently obtained Sequestration and are therefore party to it. He also points out that the Trustees are in Contempt of the Rule 35(2) Order by the High Court and are in breech of several prescriptions of the Law on Insolvency. Last edited by Dave A; 22-Nov-10 at 07:58 AM. Reply With Quote 22-Nov-10, 09:04 PM Dr DS Grieve Saga Advocate Derick De Villiers Creda PF, Director- from Creda Property Facilitators in Cape Town - friend, accomplice and cohort of Dr DS Grieve of Centurion Pretoria who played a pivotal role in providing contracts to purport to provide Billions of Rands of bridging finance finance helping Dr Grieve to create the illusion required to both harvest new "victims" into his finance scam and voluntarily liquidate his Bridging Finance company Dr DS Grieve Bridging Solutions causing the loss of all his investors money without warning. http://www.credapf.co.za/news.html Public display entitlement: Picture displayed in public on FaceBook and elsewhere. http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/...p?id=552164848 #50 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Gauteng 61 13 Thanked 28 Times in 21 Posts Lawyer Destroyer Full Member converted by Web2PDFConvert.com
  • 26. ---- tfsates3 « The bitch is back! Contact Us The Forum SA Archive Privacy Statement Top All times are GMT +2. The time now is 06:33 AM. Powered by vBulletin® Version 4.1.7 Copyright © 2011 vBulletin Solutions, Inc. All rights reserved. Copyright © 2006 - 2011 The Forum SA. Content published under the Creative Commons (by-nc-sa) licence except where indicated otherwise. Content may not be republished for commercial gain without written permission from The Forum SA. All content is subject to this general disclaimer notice. Last edited by Lawyer Destroyer; 22-Nov-10 at 09:53 PM. Reply With Quote + Reply to Thread Page 5 of 10 ... 3 4 5 6 7 ...First Last Ch. 13 Bankruptcy Lawyer Filing For Ch.13 Bankruptcy? Call Us Now For Legal Help - Free Eval Belsky-Weinberg-Horowitz.com Law Firms(Local) Patricia Cresta-Savage Criminal, Employment & Business Law www.pcslaw.net Chapter 7 MeansTest Determine If Chapter 7 Is an Option for You, Complete a Free Evaluation www.Chapter7.com Tags for this Thread david stephen grieve, dr ds grieve, ds grieve, ina papenfus, sanet grieve botha View Tag Cloud Digg del.icio.us StumbleUpon Google muti Laaikit Facebook My Yahoo! Did you like this article? Share it with your favourite social network. You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts Posting Permissions BB code is On Smilies are On [IMG] code is On HTML code is Off Forum Rules Ads byGoogle Bankruptcy CH 7 Bankruptcy Laws Bankruptcy Forms converted by Web2PDFConvert.com
  • 27. Forum Social Category The Whistleblower Forum Directors Duties and Liabilities in RSA Welcome to The Forum SA. As a visitor you have read only access to the public content areas of this website. You will have to register as a member to access all content, post messages and network with our members. Membership is free and registering is quick and easy. You can click here to register now and become a member within minutes. Thread: Directors Duties and Liabilities in RSA About TFSA | Help | Twitter User Name Password Log in Remember Me? RegisterHelp Search Web Forum SA National Criminal Defense Aggressive and Experienced Federal & State Defense Attorneys www.greatdefenseattorney.com Immigration Lawyer in MD Immigration law, deportations Personal Injury, Criminal Law www.agatsteinlaw.com Homepage Articles Blogs What's New? Today's Posts FAQ Calendar ForumActions QuickLinks AdvancedSearch Maryland Tax Attorney/CPA IRS Tax Attorney & CPA - Innovative strategies to solving IRS problems. www.irstaxlitigation.com Immigration Lawyer in MD Immigration law, deportations Personal Injury, Criminal Law www.agatsteinlaw.com + Reply to Thread Results 51 to 60 of 92 Page 6 of 10 ... 4 5 6 7 8 ...First Last Thread Tools Display 22-Nov-10, 11:08 PM Dlamini Fraud / DS Grieve Fraud Sagas Similarities.... Just a view from above... Of Significant Interest Dlamini Saga ABSA Bank - LVK Trust CC Dewald Breytenbach, Truta Wouda - Tim Du Toit & Kie Attorneys of Pretoria - loose attorney PJ Heffernan Grieve Saga ABSA Bank - LVK Trust CC Dewald Breytenbach, Truta Wouda - Tim Du Toit & Kie Attorneys of Pretoria - loose attorney Willem Storm , Storm Prokureurs Pretoria Check all the above and include outsider Advocate Derick De Villiers Creda Property Facilitators.......and a few more ranked names still to come shortly - more than just coincidence...... #51 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Gauteng 61 13 Thanked 28 Times in 21 Posts Lawyer Destroyer Full Member Last edited by Lawyer Destroyer; 22-Nov-10 at 11:15 PM. Reply With Quote 23-Nov-10, 11:07 AM Dr DS Grieve en sy stories Daar is niks so sleg soos n' professionele persoon wat sleg word nie. n' Likwidateer wat suiwer weet hy sy funksies uitvoer en n' insolvensie aspris tot die nadeel van mense wat reeds die slegte hand van besigheid uitgedeel is dmv desepsie, bedrog, diefstal of wanbestuur administreer. n' Prokureur wat die donker kant bystaan en weet hy doen eerlike mense in met sy kennis en ondervinding - en n' dokter wat sy pasiente en vriende indoen met lieg en bedrieg (slegte moer) - hy is die slegste van al drie - wat kan hy anders aan swak of siek mense doen.....miskien die groot nagslaap aanbring......vir persoonlike redes......of vrouens aanrand, kinders aspris molesteer.....as hy sy lewens kompas verloor het tot die donker kant is enige iets moontlik. Ek sal nooit so ou weer vertrou nie - glad nie. #52 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Pretoria, Gauteng 21 6 Thanked 17 Times in 13 Posts Ruiter In Swart Junior Member Last edited by Ruiter In Swart; 23-Nov-10 at 11:31 AM. Reply With Quote 23-Nov-10, 12:42 PM Where does slandering legal professionals on a public forum for doing their job fit in this moral ranking of yours? #53 Dave A Site Caretaker Forum converted by Web2PDFConvert.com
  • 28. Is "the accused" not entitled to legal counsel? This thread is steadily moving from informative (defendable as in the public interest) to harassment. It's hard to say where exactly, but I sense there's a line being crossed here. Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Blog Entries: May 2006 Durban, South Africa 13,144 1,515 Thanked 1,087 Times in 950 Posts 6 Last edited by Dave A; 23-Nov-10 at 01:12 PM. Understanding the will of the people: Ten people who speak make more noise than ten thousand who are silent. Napoleon Bonaparte. Indeed, the people have spoken and they say: "Let the politicians be rich!" Reply With Quote 23-Nov-10, 08:28 PM Bad Eggs Dave - Professionals are not above the law. Our professionals are our top people. Without them society falls. But even in professions - we should not tolerate rogues and scoundrels. I know - I have to deal with them every day. I think RIS is referring to the bad eggs in every profession that end up giving the whole profession a bad name. We find it in the law, in medicine, in accounting, in banking, in business - a doctor like Harold Shipman could have been stopped from murdering nearly one hundred patients a long time ago - all the warning signs were there. But nobody wanted to touch the "Professional status" or believe a doctor could go bad. Regrettably - even the top angel in heaven went rogue - and was named and shamed. This forum is providing a valuable public service - and if it saves one person from losing money in the future, especially if its their life savings, then it has performed a fine task. The facts are real facts and these guys have done what they have done - the court records are there. Nothing presented is not supported by facts. These guys have the opportunity to present their case. Grieve - case in question - let him explain what happened to all the finance company records and accounts and exactly what happened to all the old, sick, pensioned and former patients money. He is a doctor - come forward. Nothing to hide - then explain. He has concocted an elaborate illusion and needs to clarify what happened. The others involved - they bear striking resemblance to another large number of similar cases - ask Hanti Schreider at Fokus an SABC TV programme.....any profession worth its salt welcomes the exposure of those rotten eggs that sour the whole basket....it helps to keep standards high and weed out the rotten ones - and it is in the public interest when a person of position in society does this kind of thing repeatedly, For Grieve it is not the first time, only the first time he has been caught. #54 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Gauteng 61 13 Thanked 28 Times in 21 Posts Lawyer Destroyer Full Member Last edited by Lawyer Destroyer; 23-Nov-10 at 09:07 PM. Reason: Sp Reply With Quote 23-Nov-10, 09:48 PM This is similar to pointing fingers at liquidators, ground we've covered already. Just because a lawyer has an alleged rogue for a client does not make the lawyer a rogue. Even if there is repeat "business" performed for this (alleged) rogue, it does not automatically make the lawyer a rogue. Lawyers have to maintain a code of conduct, and part of that is client privilege. IMO it is reckless to imply a lawyer is a rogue merely by their professional association with their clients - and that's all that has been presented at this point. I suggest if the point is to be pursued, there will need to be a more substantial foundation than mere association. #55 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Blog Entries: May 2006 Durban, South Africa 13,144 1,515 Thanked 1,087 Times in 950 Posts 6 Dave A Site Caretaker Understanding the will of the people: Ten people who speak make more noise than ten thousand who are silent. Napoleon Bonaparte. Indeed, the people have spoken and they say: "Let the politicians be rich!" converted by Web2PDFConvert.com
  • 29. Reply With Quote 23-Nov-10, 11:41 PM Bad Eggs Dave - point taken. And the pm's too. I will stick to the subject matter at hand on this one the Grieve saga as it unfolds and develops - I will also ask those others involved to respect this. This will all unfold and the saga will unravel - the truth is quietly clear already. The facts awaiting presentation. #56 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Gauteng 61 13 Thanked 28 Times in 21 Posts Lawyer Destroyer Full Member Reply With Quote 24-Nov-10, 02:37 AM Dr Grieve se stories Ou Dave - ek val nie professionele mense aan nie. Ek kommentaar oor slegte professionele mense as vrot geisoleerde instansies. Jammer as dit nie duidelik oor gekom het nie. Die Grieve saga is vir my amper persoonlik want ek ken hom - hy het my mediese raad gegee ook. Ek ken sy vrou. Ek kan jou waarborg hy is skelm en dit gaan bewys word. n' Besigheid stort nie inmekaar oornag nie. Ek het klomp. Daar word nie skielik R30 miljoen rand kontant net weg nie........Ek ken die omstandighede en het n' volle verklaring voor my prokureur oor dit gemaak en oor sy betrokkenheid van wat ek weet. Hy my ook probeer intrek - Hy het sy hele stelsel aan my verduidelik - dit kon nie so vinnig in mekaar instort nie - dis nie moontlik nie. Ek weet wat het hy gese, en ken die waarborge wat hy en sy vrou gegee het. Die hele Grieve situasie is n' kriminele oortredings area - n' Crime Scene - Daar is n' klomp kontant geld weg - sy vinger afdrukke is ooral - sy DNA is daar - ons het getuienis wat hom op die perseel plaas - sy vrou ook. Ons het motiveering ons het rede ons het manier en MO. Daar sit klomp ou mense wat getuig dat hy hulle bedonder en verneuk het. Sy inligtings en beleggers voorstel brosjure is op die internet, sy waarborge saam sy vrou en hulle fotos is in sy powerpoint gepubliseer. Die ou het klomp mense se lewens verwoes - en glimlag daaroor. Speel nou lekker dokter dokter en vat mense se lewens en vertroue daagliks weer in sy hande. Dis ook nie die eerste keer nie. Hy het dit voorheen al gedoen. Dis nou net jammer dat n' geleerde man sy pasiente, vriende en beleggers so lelik sal probeer vang. Daar sit ou mense vandag, in Lyttleton, in die Kaap, in Centurion - sonder geld, sonder waarskuwing hulle beleggings verloor het, sonder hoop, sonder stem - wat ook geregtig is op wetlike verteenwoordigheid maar wat dit nou nie kan bekostig nie. Wie sal hulle help. Wie sal hulle ondersteun. Dis maklik - laat hy voorkom en verduidelik waar is die rekords en rekeninge van die maatskappye wat onder sy beheer en bestuur was....eenvoudig - dis net sy vrou se broer en haar verloofde wat vir hom in die kantore van die Grieve skip gewerk het - die goed is sy verantwoordlikheid as direkteur. Hy kan nie produseer nie - #57 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Pretoria, Gauteng 21 6 Thanked 17 Times in 13 Posts Ruiter In Swart Junior Member Last edited by Ruiter In Swart; 24-Nov-10 at 02:47 AM. Reply With Quote 24-Nov-10, 08:14 AM I appreciate the frustration, but I'd hate to see you folk turn into the bad guys too. Thanks for taking the hint seriously. #58 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Blog Entries: May 2006 Durban, South Africa 13,144 1,515 Thanked 1,087 Times in 950 Posts 6 Dave A Site Caretaker Understanding the will of the people: Ten people who speak make more noise than ten thousand who are silent. Napoleon Bonaparte. Indeed, the people have spoken and they say: "Let the politicians be rich!" Reply With Quote 25-Nov-10, 09:47 PM #59 converted by Web2PDFConvert.com
  • 30. ---- tfsates3 « The bitch is back! Contact Us The Forum SA Archive Privacy Statement Top All times are GMT +2. The time now is 06:33 AM. Powered by vBulletin® Version 4.1.7 Copyright © 2011 vBulletin Solutions, Inc. All rights reserved. Copyright © 2006 - 2011 The Forum SA. Content published under the Creative Commons (by-nc-sa) licence except where indicated otherwise. Content may not be republished for commercial gain without written permission from The Forum SA. All content is subject to this general disclaimer notice. The Dr DS Grieve Saga The Dr DS Grieve saga rumbles on with more and more worms coming out - just had an interesting chat with a few people he caught before. The use of Trusts and appointed trustees.....mmmmmhhhh oh what wonders an MBA and the knowledge it brings - especially if it is applied for dark and not light.Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Gauteng 61 13 Thanked 28 Times in 21 Posts Lawyer Destroyer Full Member Reply With Quote 03-Dec-10, 05:28 AM Dr DS Grieve Ongoing and Information Thanks to all those who supplied and provided information over the last few weeks. There are several horizons in this saga - rest assured we are doing a well researched and well written expose'. Any further info please contact me on dsgrievedocu@webmail.co.za - thanks Nicolene #60 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Nov 2010 Gauteng 5 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Nicolene C New Member Reply With Quote + Reply to Thread Page 6 of 10 ... 4 5 6 7 8 ...First Last Law Firms(Local) Patricia Cresta-Savage Criminal, Employment & Business Law www.pcslaw.net Ch. 13 Bankruptcy Lawyer Filing For Ch.13 Bankruptcy? Call Us Now For Legal Help - Free Eval Belsky-Weinberg-Horowitz.com Baltimore Bankruptcy Atty Free Consultation- 410-356-1074 Keep your home, car. Payment plans www.bankruptcymdlaw.com Tags for this Thread david stephen grieve, dr ds grieve, ds grieve, ina papenfus, sanet grieve botha View Tag Cloud Digg del.icio.us StumbleUpon Google muti Laaikit Facebook My Yahoo! Did you like this article? Share it with your favourite social network. You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts Posting Permissions BB code is On Smilies are On [IMG] code is On HTML code is Off Forum Rules Ads byGoogle Bankruptcy CH 7 Bankruptcy Help Bankruptcy Forms converted by Web2PDFConvert.com
  • 31. Forum Social Category The Whistleblower Forum Directors Duties and Liabilities in RSA Welcome to The Forum SA. As a visitor you have read only access to the public content areas of this website. You will have to register as a member to access all content, post messages and network with our members. Membership is free and registering is quick and easy. You can click here to register now and become a member within minutes. Thread: Directors Duties and Liabilities in RSA About TFSA | Help | Twitter User Name Password Log in Remember Me? RegisterHelp Search Web Forum SA Ask a Lawyer: Fraud A Lawyer Will Answer You Now! Fraud Questions Answered Today: 87. Law.JustAnswer.com/Fraud Free Credit Report See Your Credit Report in Seconds! Easy to Read and Viewable Online. www.FreeCreditReport.com Homepage Articles Blogs What's New? Today's Posts FAQ Calendar ForumActions QuickLinks AdvancedSearch ID Protection is Now Free You Pay Nothing with AllClear ID Free Identity Protection. Sign Up! www.AllClearID.com 3 Credit Scores (Free) View your latest Credit Scores from All 3 bureaus in 60 seconds for $0! FreeScore360.com + Reply to Thread Results 61 to 70 of 92 Page 7 of 10 ... 5 6 7 8 9 ...First Last Thread Tools Display 14-Dec-10, 05:55 AM Dr DS Grieve Fraud Continuance There have been some dark new developments in the Dr DS Grieve saga. A lot of half truths and untruths are being discovered and Grieve's lies are unraveling.... I have been asked to post this picture here - it apparently means something to Grieve and his wife and they read this forum often.... It seems that Grieve (and his wife) is a master of deception but forgot one little thing......you cannot hide from someone determined to find the truth. That is why it says The truth shall set you free...... Also sent to me was this picture:- which looks remarkably similar to this one... Dr David Stephen Grieve aka Dr DS Grieve #61 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Gauteng - Home Of The Warriors 14 35 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts Asterix Junior Member Forum converted by Web2PDFConvert.com
  • 32. Last edited by Asterix; 14-Dec-10 at 06:05 AM. Reason: sp Reply With Quote 16-Dec-10, 09:40 PM Dodgy Doctor - SA is Sick and Tired of Bad Eggs-Especially When They're Professionals SA is reeling under white collar crime and corruption. The USA has declared it the second greatest threat to the US economy bar the war on terror. Interesting - Take a moment to consider :- Time to add your voice. It is every persons duty as a citizen to contribute to the downfall of any dodgy character - especially when it is a professional, a person trusted in society, a pillar of the community. #62 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Gauteng 61 13 Thanked 28 Times in 21 Posts Lawyer Destroyer Full Member Reply With Quote Thanks given for this post: Asterix (04-Jan-11) 17-Dec-10, 12:30 AM Dr DS Grieve - Skelm Stories Net so net so #63 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Pretoria, Gauteng 21 6 Thanked 17 Times in 13 Posts Ruiter In Swart Junior Member Reply With Quote Thanks given for this post: Asterix (04-Jan-11) 20-Dec-10, 08:01 AM Ahan, that's a pretty interesting story with quite alluring covers and snap of Dr. David Stephen Grieve. #64 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Nov 2010 Canada 29 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts Cathy Duncan Full Member Reply With Quote Thanks given for this post: Asterix (04-Jan-11) #65 converted by Web2PDFConvert.com
  • 33. 23-Dec-10, 03:56 AM Dr DS Grieve Investments / Dr DS Grieve Bridging Solutions (pty) Ltd in Liquidation Well well well - it seems that Dr DS Grieve has operated Pyramid and Ponzi schemes before.....several individuals (again including patients of his) from Pretoria and Centurion recently confirmed that Dr DS Grieve left them substantially out of pocket in the early 2000's - whilst practising as a medical doctor - at the Clubview Medical Centre - only escaping prosecution by the skin of his teeth and with the help of a Pretoria lawyer Mr Gert van Schalkwyk of Arcadia, a criminal lawyer who negotiated and helped Dr DS Grieve to pay the investors a percentage back of what they had invested and then made them sign confidentiality and non disclosure hold harmless contracts. Fortunately they have not been shy to come forward and have willingly offered to make full disclosure. Grieve narrowly missed being prosecuted by the NPA when no formal complaints were made to the SAPS. Grieve had chanced his arm and was guilty of a multitude of sins and transgressions under the companies, banks and trading acts. He was sternly warned by Pretoria Attorney Mr Gert Van Schalkwyk that he was on thin ice and risked criminal prosecution. #65 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Gauteng - Home Of The Warriors 14 35 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts Asterix Junior Member Reply With Quote 30-Dec-10, 09:14 PM Dr DS Grieve / Sanet Grieve Botha - Ponzi Scheme-Comparable Criminals Get 22 Yrs Jail One clear fact has surfaced to any follower. Grieve and his wife ran a Ponzi scheme. The fact that material evidence exists of history and that Grieve is a recidivous finance scam/scheme operator is damning. We have uncovered specific information relating to the Grieve Group scam that we will in due course pass on to the appropriate authorities - much of which has come from readers and contributors to this forum. Whilst there is an inevitable conclusion to the Grieves actions, it may be appropriate for Grieve to note that the Naidoos mentioned below in comparable circumstances may have escaped with far lesser consequences had they paid back their victims. In typical fashion they tried "to hold on to their ill gotten gold - and drowned". Grieve has in a premeditated fashion simply set out to con his victims with a pack of lies in the form of presentations and promises, spreadsheets and verbal diatribe. South African society is sick and tired of this type of behaviour which the USAhas declared the greatest battle since the war on terror. SACourts, SAPS, Investigators and even the SARS need to send out a strong message - this will not be tolerated - especially not by professionals upon whom the weight of responsibility for society rests - especially those with the accepted societal responsibility for other peoples lives. After all if a doctor can lie about some things, he can lie about anything......it simply depends on the price. Quote:- Con artists get 22 years December 20 2010 at 02:43pm By Barbara Cole #66 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Gauteng 61 13 Thanked 28 Times in 21 Posts Lawyer Destroyer Full Member converted by Web2PDFConvert.com
  • 34. An Umhlanga Rocks couple who fleeced investors of R21million in a pyramid scheme have each been jailed for 22 years. Magistrate Kim de Freitas told Pranitha Naidoo, 48, and her husband, Daya Naidoo, 55, before passing sentence in the Commercial Crime Court as some of their victims looked on: “What is appalling is the level of dishonesty you were prepared to go to to save your own skins.” On the con operation, De Freitas said there was no doubt that the couple’s actions had been deliberate and “very calculated”. He ruled on Friday that they should only be considered for parole once they had served two thirds of their terms. The Naidoos pleaded guilty in March to fraud involving R21 milion. They repaid only R7 million to their former clients. Victims invested amounts from R80 000 to R3 million. The couple admitted fleecing and misrepresenting investors, saying that instead of investing the money in the stock exchange as they had promised, they had put it into one investment, paying out interest by rolling cash from one investor to the next. When their business did not perform, they resorted to attracting investors fraudulently and admitted stealing more than R1 million from one client to pay others, saying they had no intention of returning the money. The magistrate said they had clearly been operating a pyramid scheme and that investors had trusted them with their hard-earned money. Their actions had had a devastating effect on the lives of many investors, De Freitas said. Their various transactions had taken place over a long period of time and they could have stopped at any time. But when they had realised they could not get out of the trap they created for themselves, they had blatantly taken money from other investors without any intention of repaying it. “That is beyond comprehension,” the magistrate said. The couple had repeatedly made promises to the court about their ability to repay investors the R14 million outstanding over the past nine months but nothing concrete had materialised. In view of the modus operandi and the length of time involved, De Freitas said he was surprised that the matter had not gone to the High Court. Some people appeared to have no regard for law and order, and the attitude was that if they got away with it “good for them”, he said. The prosecutor, Ashika Luckan, said the court had allowed nine adjournments and had bent over backwards to help the accused come up converted by Web2PDFConvert.com
  • 35. with money for investors. “They are all sitting here to see that justice is done,” Luckan said. One complainant, who did not want to be named and who lost his R450 000 pension payout in the scam, told Daya Naidoo during an adjournment that “he had the gift of the gab”. Asked by complainants if they still had their house in Umhlanga Rocks, Naidoo said that they did, but that it was going to be taken away by the bank. - Daily News full article - Referenced - http://www.iol.co.za/news/south-afri...ears-1.1003310 Last edited by Lawyer Destroyer; 30-Dec-10 at 09:52 PM. Reason: sp Reply With Quote Thanks given for this post: Asterix (04-Jan-11) 02-Jan-11, 02:32 AM USA SENDS A CLEAR MESSAGE ON INVESTMENT FRAUD AND WHITE COLLAR CRIME READ THIS - A colleague in the USA has sent me this - a clear demonstration that the USA has had enough and is starting a world trend against fraudsters and investment fraud:- Operation Broken Trust: Over 500 Charged in $10.4 Billion Investment Fraud Sweep Published: Monday, 6 Dec 2010 | 1:00 PM ET By: John Carney Senior Editor, CNBC.com Attorney General Eric Holder announced on Monday that federal authorities have charged more than 500 people as a result of what they are calling “Operation Broken Trust,” a nationwide crackdown on investment fraud. The operation has resulted in criminal charges against 343 people, involving more than $8.3 billion in estimated losses from fraud. An additional 189 people have been charged in civil cases involving estimated losses of more than $2.1 billion. The government claims that more than 120,000 people were harmed by the fraud. "Operation Broken Trust was organized in August by the Financial Fraud Enforcement Task Force, an interagency body set up in November 2009 by President Obama. FOR THE FULL ARTICLE READ HERE - #67 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Gauteng 61 13 Thanked 28 Times in 21 Posts Lawyer Destroyer Full Member converted by Web2PDFConvert.com
  • 36. http://www.cnbc.com/id/40533058 AND VERY INTERESTING:- “With this operation, the Financial Fraud Enforcement Task Force is sending a strong message,” said Attorney General Holder. “To the public: be alert for these frauds, take appropriate measures to protect yourself, and report such schemes to proper authorities when they occur. And to anyone operating or attempting to operate an investment scam: cheating investors out of their earnings and savings is no longer a safe business plan - we will use every tool at our disposal to find you, to stop you, and to bring you to justice.” Our suggestion to RSA Law Enforcement is - send a clear message with the Grieve cabal - Here is the full link http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2010/D...0-ag-1390.html Last edited by Lawyer Destroyer; 02-Jan-11 at 04:14 AM. Reply With Quote Thanks given for this post: Asterix (04-Jan-11) 04-Jan-11, 10:35 PM Stop Fraud and Financial Scams Great link. Have noticed across all media that RSA and the SAPS have also taken up a marked sea change in attitudes towards fraud and scams of any financial nature. Of interest to me was this paragraph The operators of these schemes often promise high returns to investors, but engage in little to no legitimate investment activity. Such schemes include Ponzi schemes, affinity fraud, prime bank/high-yield investment scams, foreign exchange (FOREX) frauds, business opportunity fraud and other similar schemes. In some #68 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Gauteng - Home Of The Warriors 14 35 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts Asterix Junior Member converted by Web2PDFConvert.com
  • 37. instances, operators of these schemes filed for bankruptcy in an attempt to avoid claims by victim-investors. which it seems is exactly what Grieve and his wife tried to do with their lawyer. http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2010/December/10-ag-1390.html Last edited by Asterix; 04-Jan-11 at 10:39 PM. Reason: sp Reply With Quote 13-Jan-11, 11:21 PM Dr DS Grieve - Is it Fraud - Yes I have just seen this on another site - http://antifraudintl.org/showthread.php?t=43038&page=2 Full draft:- 11 January 2011 DS Grieve Bridging Solutions Welcome back to the world we call reality folks. I sincerely trust 2011 will be what I have a sneaking suspicion its going to be a cracker of a year. I also trust you and your loved ones enjoyed the break and heaped the peace and love you so richly deserve upon one another this festive season past. I didn’t really get much of a break myself having worked until 24 December 2010. The reason for this mainly being a relatively new matter I’m involved with. I am assisting a group of investors that have lost their shirts in what can only be described as an investment fraud on a pro bono basis. Like most of these scams I only become sensitised to the nature and scope of the problem when my attention is drawn to the scheme in an investigation. It seems that the Barry Tannenbaum type scam is a prolific one and that it has reached epidemic proportions locally and globally due to the nature and structure of the different investment schemes. People invest money, are paid better than average interest on their investments, invest more and then find they lose everything including their capital and the interest they eventually re-invest. The operators of these schemes engage in little to no legitimate investment activity. In many instances, operators of these schemes file for bankruptcy in an attempt to avoid claims by victim-investors. To date in the US a multi-disciplinary task team has uncovered cases involving over 310 such operators whose schemes have impacted on over 120 000 victims throughout that country with over US$ 10 billion suffered in losses according to the US Department of Justice Office of Public Affairs . #69 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Gauteng 61 13 Thanked 28 Times in 21 Posts Lawyer Destroyer Full Member converted by Web2PDFConvert.com
  • 38. What strikes me most about the case I’m involved with is the fact that the callousness of the criminals involved is matched only by the remarkable people battling to restore the dignity of the victims. I have been scrutinising the efforts by Bowman Gilfillan and in particular an attorney called Haroon Laher from transcripts of liquidation proceedings in this particular matter and literally at one stage had to sit back and acknowledge that in this man (Laher) resides the fundamental principles that made the profession great in the first place. I also have to thank Pauli Simpson and Mercia Fryer at Specialised Services Group (SSG) and Brigadier Casper Jonker (SAPS) for making the time so late in the year to review and escalate the matter. The current case I am scrutinising involves a certain Dr. DS Grieve and his companies. An application was made in December 2009 to liquidate a number of Grieve's businesses in what we call a quick and dirty application, which but for a sharp eyed judge, may just have sneaked in. This application was declined by the court. This was then repeated via CIPRO (a backdoor "voluntary" liquidation) in January 2010. Bowman Gilfillan in Sandton challenged the voluntary liquidation application and had it converted into a compulsory liquidation. This creates a whole new set of legal rules and changes the playing field significantly for Bowman and the victims. It also changes the situation dramatically for those who applied for the voluntary liquidation. The companies of Dr DS Grieve , specifically Dr DS Grieve Bridging Solutions a Pty Ltd entity has been made the subject of a Special Inquiry. Debtors underestimate the seriousness of their situation if fault is found or discovered in the form of fraud, reckless or negligent trading, malfeasance or any other of a host of business "sins". Retribution can be fast and ruthless against the perpetrators. Basically David Stephen Grieve offered bridging finance to people during the buying and selling of properties. Trading on very thin margins David Grieve offered unusually attractive interest rates to investors prepared to put money into the business to grow it. This doesn’t make sense at all because Grieve could have just as well borrowed that money from the bank at much more favourable rates and instantly increased his margins. Naturally he did his friends and family (the usual victims) a “favour” by offering them a slice of his “pie”. The success of his scheme depends largely on his ability to attract new investors so he can use their money to pay the exorbitant interest rates of the “older” investors and when that fails (attracting new investors), so does the scheme. The question isn’t so much if the scheme will fail but more like when? In this instance when was when the shortfall reached R 28 million . The R 28 million question remains, “ where is the money ”? The fact is, because the business involves the buying and selling of property and providing “bridging” finance in the window period a Bond is approved, funds must by necessity pass through lawyers Trust accounts. The upshot of this is that the missing millions if this cannot be traced and it cannot, must have as with any asset been misappropriated in some way. The fact that this is an investment scheme doesn’t alter the principle of theft, which is an asset is misappropriated before it reaches an organisation, while within the organisation or after it leaves the organisation. converted by Web2PDFConvert.com
  • 39. « The bitch is back! Consequently the missing R 28 million will be able to be traced through various lawyer trust accounts. The only question that remains is which ones? This shouldn’t be too hard to figure out. According to Professor Barry Spitz , the one time the corporate veil that protects a trust can be lifted and a Trust cannot be protected is when that Trust is tainted by the proceeds of crime . It is high time that lawyers like Haroon Laher are rewarded for their diligence and common humanity and those that facilitated the stripping of the investors in Dr. DS Grieve’s schemes funds find their Trust Accounts seized by the Asset Forfeiture Unit . The issue at hand isn’t simply one of investors losing their life savings, it is about sustainability; it is about investor protection and rule of law. It’s about creating a climate that encourages foreign direct investment and confidence in the economy through due process. I look forward to seeing how this case pans out. Suffice it to say, Dr. DS Grieve seems to demonstrate no empathy or remorse for his victims . He claims he will be rehabilitated sometime this year already and will be looking to continue his business practices. If, or when he does, this will be the third such venture . Let the buyer beware . Warmest regards Bart H Last edited by Lawyer Destroyer; 13-Jan-11 at 11:25 PM. Reason: sp Reply With Quote 26-Jan-11, 10:45 AM Dr DS Grieve se Stories Many people knows me and so does this skelem doctor and his wife Sanet. They can get their lawyer to challenge me anytime for calling them crooks. I am a senior businessman in Centurion and everyone there knows me. They stole the money off their best friends and - even the inheritance of one friend who died and left his money to his children - this doctor swallowed that up as well....This guy even stole his own brothers pension and life savings nearly R10 million rand then send him a text "talk with my lawyer Willem Storm". Not even warned him he was closing the business - he send him every month wonderful statements of account showing how his value of his money invested less then 3 months before was growing. He never even paid him one cent back - what a brother hey. This guy and his wife are thieves - and they know who and where I am - I even listened to him lying to his brother for hours on end with his wife supporting him - lekker liegbekkie - they can come with lawyers and whatever they want - the truth is the truth...ek stem saam - julle moet in die hel vrot word....en julle sal. #70 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Pretoria, Gauteng 21 6 Thanked 17 Times in 13 Posts Ruiter In Swart Junior Member Reply With Quote + Reply to Thread Page 7 of 10 ... 5 6 7 8 9 ...First Last Ch. 13 Bankruptcy Lawyer Filing For Ch.13 Bankruptcy? Call Us Now For Legal Help - Free Eval Belsky-Weinberg-Horowitz.com Chapter 7 MeansTest Determine If Chapter 7 Is An Option For You, CompleteA Free Evaluation www.Chapter7.com Ask a Lawyer Online Now A Lawyer Will Answer You Now! Legal Questions Answered Today: 87. Law.JustAnswer.com converted by Web2PDFConvert.com
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  • 41. Forum Social Category The Whistleblower Forum Directors Duties and Liabilities in RSA Welcome to The Forum SA. As a visitor you have read only access to the public content areas of this website. You will have to register as a member to access all content, post messages and network with our members. Membership is free and registering is quick and easy. You can click here to register now and become a member within minutes. Thread: Directors Duties and Liabilities in RSA About TFSA | Help | Twitter User Name Password Log in Remember Me? RegisterHelp Search Web Forum SA Ch. 13 Bankruptcy Lawyer Filing For Ch.13 Bankruptcy? Call Us Now For Legal Help - Free Eval Belsky-Weinberg-Horowitz.com National Criminal Defense Aggressive and Experienced Federal & State Defense Attorneys www.greatdefenseattorney.com Homepage Articles Blogs What's New? Today's Posts FAQ Calendar ForumActions QuickLinks AdvancedSearch Ch. 13 Bankruptcy Lawyer Filing For Ch.13 Bankruptcy? Call Us Now For Legal Help - Free Eval Belsky-Weinberg-Horowitz.com Chapter 7 Means Test Determine If Chapter 7 Is An Option For You, Complete A Free Evaluation www.Chapter7.com + Reply to Thread Results 71 to 80 of 92 Page 8 of 10 ... 6 7 8 9 10First Last Thread Tools Display 27-Feb-11, 07:35 AM Letter From The Head of The South African Corporate Fraud Management Institute Here are copies the original pages of the Head of The Corporate Fraud Management Institutes letter on Dr DS Grieve of Centurion Pretoria:- There has been significant progress on this case and soon to be revealed..... #71 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Gauteng 61 13 Thanked 28 Times in 21 Posts Lawyer Destroyer Full Member Reply With Quote 27-Feb-11, 07:42 AM Dr DS Grieve Dr DS Grieve - saga. Seems Grieve and his wife lived the high life on OPM and then just tried to cut away - hoping they wouldn't be discovered. They were. Pic taken from Grieve's Facebook page - just reminder of what they look like. #72 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Gauteng 61 13 Thanked 28 Times in 21 Posts Lawyer Destroyer Full Member Forum converted by Web2PDFConvert.com
  • 42. Last edited by Dave A; 31-May-11 at 08:30 AM. Reason: sp Reply With Quote 12-Mar-11, 01:36 AM Dr David Grieve This doctor is a full on crooked fraud. He and his skelm wife Sanet should be in jail. I have today rode to the people investigating him and hand in a full sworn verklaring about what they did - especially to his own brother. He stole nearly R10 million rands from an innocent man who trusted him, his own donderse brother, his personal friends and patients of his as well as many old pensioners, I know many of these people and this doctor is a thief. Whatever happens Grieve is not the end of this story. Many many people is watching you carefully. You know we know - you know we know what you did. Some lawyers and you are very clever using trust accounts to launder money. I wonder what these lawyers are going to say soon - I made a proper statement on this - and I hope it sink you properly. Do these lawyers knows how you tricked your investors and people......what does Barry Aaron and your friends now thinks about all this - he knows a lot about Trust accounts, he was regular in the news hey....we will see. #73 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Pretoria, Gauteng 21 6 Thanked 17 Times in 13 Posts Ruiter In Swart Junior Member Reply With Quote 13-Apr-11, 05:19 PM DR DS Grieve Photographs I am reliably advised that an error in photo album deletion has accidentally removed a number of pictures from this (and other) threads. The originator is hosting them again on Baidu or something similar and will repost shortly for links to be made. Watch this space.... #74 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Gauteng 61 13 Thanked 28 Times in 21 Posts Lawyer Destroyer Full Member Last edited by Lawyer Destroyer; 13-Apr-11 at 05:21 PM. Reason: sp Reply With Quote 13-Apr-11, 09:01 PM Are you sure it was an accident? I have received a request to remove these threads... #75 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Blog Entries: May 2006 Durban, South Africa 13,144 1,515 Thanked 1,087 Times in 950 Posts 6 Dave A Site Caretaker Understanding the will of the people: Ten people who speak make more noise than ten thousand who are silent. Napoleon Bonaparte. Indeed, the people have spoken and they say: "Let the politicians be rich!" Reply With Quote 14-Apr-11, 05:30 AM Dave, I am not surprised. Cockroaches hate light. I see the Anti Fraud International website has publicly resisted both requests and demands. LD #76 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Gauteng 61 13 Thanked 28 Times in 21 Posts Lawyer Destroyer Full Member converted by Web2PDFConvert.com
  • 43. Reply With Quote 24-Apr-11, 11:24 AM Dr DS Grieve Thanks Nicolene. Here is a pic worth seeing:- Also the Head of the SACFMI (South African Corporate Fraud Management Institutes) letter - front page only - page 2 seems to be erroneously missing... But here are the words in text format. I understand the doctors creditors are going great guns and this is going to end up badly for the fraud perpetrators who never thought things would escalate. Full write up... 11 January 2011 DS Grieve Bridging Solutions Welcome back to the world we call reality folks. I sincerely trust 2011 will be what I have a sneaking suspicion its going to be a cracker of a year. I also trust you and your loved ones enjoyed the break and heaped the peace and love you so richly deserve upon one another this festive season past. I didn’t really get much of a break myself having worked until 24 December 2010. The reason for this mainly being a relatively new matter I’m involved with. I am assisting a group of investors that have lost their shirts in what can only be described as an investment fraud on a pro bono basis. Like most of these scams I only become sensitised to the nature and scope of the problem when my attention is drawn to the scheme in an investigation. It seems that the Barry Tannenbaum type scam is a prolific one and that it has reached epidemic proportions locally and globally due to the nature and structure of the different investment #77 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Gauteng 61 13 Thanked 28 Times in 21 Posts Lawyer Destroyer Full Member converted by Web2PDFConvert.com
  • 44. schemes. People invest money, are paid better than average interest on their investments, invest more and then find they lose everything including their capital and the interest they eventually re-invest. The operators of these schemes engage in little to no legitimate investment activity. In many instances, operators of these schemes file for bankruptcy in an attempt to avoid claims by victim-investors. To date in the US a multi-disciplinary task team has uncovered cases involving over 310 such operators whose schemes have impacted on over 120 000 victims throughout that country with over US$ 10 billion suffered in losses according to the US Department of Justice Office of Public Affairs . What strikes me most about the case I’m involved with is the fact that the callousness of the criminals involved is matched only by the remarkable people battling to restore the dignity of the victims. I have been scrutinising the efforts by Bowman Gilfillan and in particular an attorney called Haroon Laher from transcripts of liquidation proceedings in this particular matter and literally at one stage had to sit back and acknowledge that in this man (Laher) resides the fundamental principles that made the profession great in the first place. I also have to thank Pauli Simpson and Mercia Fryer at Specialised Services Group (SSG) and Brigadier Casper Jonker (SAPS) for making the time so late in the year to review and escalate the matter. The current case I am scrutinising involves a certain Dr. DS Grieve and his companies. An application was made in December 2009 to liquidate a number of Grieve's businesses in what we call a quick and dirty application, which but for a sharp eyed judge, may just have sneaked in. This application was declined by the court. This was then repeated via CIPRO (a backdoor "voluntary" liquidation) in January 2010. Bowman Gilfillan in Sandton challenged the voluntary liquidation application and had it converted into a compulsory liquidation. This creates a whole new set of legal rules and changes the playing field significantly for Bowman and the victims. It also changes the situation dramatically for those who applied for the voluntary liquidation. The companies of Dr DS Grieve , specifically Dr DS Grieve Bridging Solutions a Pty Ltd entity has been made the subject of a Special Inquiry. Debtors underestimate the seriousness of their situation if fault is found or discovered in the form of fraud, reckless or negligent trading, malfeasance or any other of a host of business "sins". Retribution can be fast and ruthless against the perpetrators. Basically David Stephen Grieve offered bridging finance to people during the buying and selling of properties. Trading on very thin margins David Grieve offered unusually attractive interest rates to investors prepared to put money into the business to grow it. This doesn’t make sense at all because Grieve could have just as well borrowed that money from the bank at much more favourable rates and instantly increased his margins. Naturally he did his friends and family (the usual victims) a “favour” by offering them a slice of his “pie”. The success of his scheme depends largely on his ability to attract new investors so he can use their money to pay the exorbitant interest rates of the “older” investors and when that fails (attracting new investors), so does the scheme. The question isn’t so much if the scheme will fail but more like when? In this instance when was when the shortfall reached R 28 million . The R 28 million question remains, “ where is the money ”? The fact is, because the business involves the buying and selling of property and providing “bridging” finance in the window period a Bond is approved, funds must by necessity pass through lawyers Trust accounts. The upshot of this is that the missing millions if this cannot be traced and it cannot, must have as with any asset been misappropriated in some way. The fact that this is an investment scheme doesn’t alter the principle of theft, which is an asset is misappropriated before it reaches an organisation, while within the organisation or after it leaves the organisation. Consequently the missing R 28 million will be able to be traced through various lawyer trust accounts. The only question that remains is which ones? converted by Web2PDFConvert.com
  • 45. This shouldn’t be too hard to figure out. According to Professor Barry Spitz , the one time the corporate veil that protects a trust can be lifted and a Trust cannot be protected is when that Trust is tainted by the proceeds of crime . It is high time that lawyers like Haroon Laher are rewarded for their diligence and common humanity and those that facilitated the stripping of the investors in Dr. DS Grieve’s schemes funds find their Trust Accounts seized by the Asset Forfeiture Unit . The issue at hand isn’t simply one of investors losing their life savings, it is about sustainability; it is about investor protection and rule of law. It’s about creating a climate that encourages foreign direct investment and confidence in the economy through due process. I look forward to seeing how this case pans out. Suffice it to say, Dr. DS Grieve seems to demonstrate no empathy or remorse for his victims . He claims he will be rehabilitated sometime this year already and will be looking to continue his business practices. If, or when he does, this will be the third such venture . Let the buyer beware . Warmest regards Bart H Just sent to me by pm from one of the victims - an interesting read - which should make any lawyers who had dealings with Dr DS Grieve start to shiver......especially one in particular... http://www.iol.co.za/news/south-afri...lain-1.1060016 and a great pic - from the movie (Cheers Kit Kat) Last edited by Dave A; 31-May-11 at 08:32 AM. Reply With Quote 01-May-11, 09:11 AM Dr DS Grieve During the time it has been up, this thread has become a bit of a coffee shop, a number of users hang out here, people check it out daily and it is passed by regularly by the public, victims, associated parties, police, law enforcement agencies and a variety of regulatory and legislative bodies, kind of like a down town cafe. Many people have pm'd across the board on this and a flurry of work is going on that might never have happened. Good stuff for a forum - and especially good for all the victims and creditors caught - who know, they are not alone out there and that others are supporting them, fighting their corner and pursuing the perpetrators. Interestingly enough...this comes to mind:- and finally the need for all like minded and law abiding South Africans to congregate and fight for the business morals needed to see this country grow and not implode into lawlessness. Well done to the Forum SA MODS and Admin for keeping the ball in play and to all the contributors. and especially to Lawyer Destroyer who has guided much along - and of course also to Bart Henderson, Head of The South African Corporate Fraud Management Institute SACFMI and the #78 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Gauteng - Home Of The Warriors 14 35 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts Asterix Junior Member converted by Web2PDFConvert.com
  • 46. other CFE's in RSA and the forensic accountants etc who battle this treachery and deceit daily. Great work - no problem can withstand sustained thought. Coffees on me :-) Last edited by Asterix; 01-May-11 at 09:35 AM. Reason: sp Reply With Quote 30-May-11, 11:06 PM Fraud & White Collar Crime - No Tolerance! An interesting summary - Fraud The offence of fraud is one of the most widespread offences and is often been referred to in our legal authorities as the “cancer of society”. Fraud varies from not only credit card fraud and cheque fraud, but also to channelling funds by making false entries into various accounts or submitting false claims to insurance companies. Fraud is widely regarded as one of the more serious offences for which an individual may be charged and should a client be charged, he should always keep in mind that the possibility of jail sentence is very likely. The courts are generally lenient on first offenders but it has to be stressed that the moment the monetary value or prejudice suffered by the complainant exceed R50 000.00, the courts tend to have zero tolerance attitude. Since 1990 there has been a crack-down by courts and authorities on fraud or white-collar crime. As a result sentences are much higher than they used to be and the perception of white-collar criminals getting away with crime has definitely been stamped out by our courts. In fact, there are numerous authorities where one can see that should an individual be charged and convicted of fraud of big amounts of money; the courts readily send them to jail as first offenders. #79 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Gauteng - Home Of The Warriors 14 35 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts Asterix Junior Member Reply With Quote 12-Jun-11, 10:58 AM n' Openbare Uitdaging Aan Dr DS Grieve Van Sy Eie Kollegas By Unitas n' Openbare Uitdaging Aan Dr DS Grieve (en sy vrou) Van Sy Eie Kollegas By Unitas Centurion waar hy glo nie meer werk nie - en dalk nooit weer sy gesig wys nie. Die brief is lank terug gepubliseer maar net onlangs gesien. n' Epos wat direk vrae vra - waar is die belgger se geld in die vorm van die kontrakt wat jy op jou boeke gehad het ??? Die wereld is nie blind nie - dokter. Oorspronklike Epos kan in vol hier gelees word:- http://www.slideshare.net/UnitasDokt...eveunitas-copy DR DS GRIEVE EPOS AAN UNITAS HOSPITAAL BESTUURSPAN - Document Transcript 1. From: Unitas Dokters <unitasdokters@gmail.com> Date: 2010/9/2 Subject: Dokter Grieve en Die DS Grieve Groep Bedrog ens To: Unitas Bestuurspan Insluitend - Adelle; Christof, Nicolet en binnekort almal by netcare Suid Afrika Dokter Grieve Ons het onlangs hiervan gehoor en bietjie ondersoek ingestel. Elkeen n' klein deel gedoen. En jy bekommer die van ons wat hard gewerk het daarvoor en wat ons Dokter name op hoog hou en prys, jy bekommer die van ons wat UNITA se naam op hoog hou en prys... Nou Dokter Grieve, jy bekommer ons hier by UNITAS, en in Pretoria eintlik baie. Jy word direk daarvan beskuldig dat in Desember 2009, jy wat Dokter Grieve is, en jou “goudgrawer” vrou Sanet Grieve (vorige kelner by jou restaurant Cynthias in Maroela Laan wat jou eerste vrou n’ geregistreerde mediese verpleegster vervang het ) albei julle besighede sonder enige krediteure of beleggers se kennis vrywillig deur die agterdeur en onder n' "dekmantel"skelm gelikwideer het…. Met verliese van oor die R30 miljoen. Ons hoor ook dat jy ondersoek word deur die SAPS, die media jou beleggers en ander. Jy bekommer ons Dokter Grieve. Die feite word bevestig deur n’ kort soektog op jou naam Grieve in die regerings instansie Green Gazette bladsye… baie interessant… weet jy wat, jy bekommer ons... http://www.greengazette.co.za/search...rchText=grieve Maar daar is soveel vuil water onder die brug deur jou gestoot dat mens mooi na die feite moet kyk… Eerstens het ons jou persoonlike finansiële voorstel op die internet opgespoor hier asook by Angel Investments – jy sal weet die internet vergeet nooit ooit iets nie….. http://www.4shared.com/document/H7nG...s_combine.html en jou besigheids ppt http://www.slideshare.net/DrDSGrieve...s-presentation Dokter Grieve – jy het blykbaar tydens die aansoeke vir likwidasie onder eed verklaar dat:- Eerstens – al die besigheids rekeninge, kontrakte, administrasie en rekords van jy EN jou vrou se #80 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Pretoria, Gauteng 21 6 Thanked 17 Times in 13 Posts Ruiter In Swart Junior Member converted by Web2PDFConvert.com
  • 47. « The bitch is back! besighede geheimsinnig Desember maand 2009 weg is….. Tweedens – dat al die beleggers se geld (omtrent R25 miljoen) wat in jou sorg was geheimsinnig maar “glo my onder eed” ook terselfde tyd weg is….. 2.Toe ons dit hoor besef ons weer, jy bekommer ons.... Nou, die geld wat weg is hoort volgens goeie informasie. aan vorige pasiënte van jou Dokter Grieve soos byvoorbeeld oud Mnr Louis Bester van Centurion, oud Mnr L Van Der Linde van Lyttleton en klomp ander soos Combrinck ens, asook ou mense se pensioene, uitbetalings van die derde party vir kruppel mense, ou mense se huis lenings ens. Wat jy Dokter Grieve in jou sorg ingeneem het deur gebruik te maak van jou naam as hulle Dokter en jou posisie in die gemeente as Dokter..Jy bekommer ons... So Dokter Grieve, die groot vraag moet wees…. Jy is n’ vertroude aangestelde geregistreerde professionele mediese Dokter – en soos jy sal weet, die situasie is net soos wanneer jy aangestel is om in beheer van die gekontroleerde dwelms kabinet te wees, kom ons se dis net so – Jy het die kabinet sleutels alleen gedra - die dwelms register is nou weg, die dwelms is weg, en jy het klomp geld…kyk na jou mooi kar en die van jou vrou, – …..…so wat is die waarheid hier asseblief – waar is jou maatskappy se rekords, die administrasie waarvoor jy as Direkteur verantwoordelik was – maar mees belangrik – WAAR IS DIE OU MENSE, VORMALIGE PASIENTE, VRIENDE SE GELD WAT JY GEVAT HET ? As jy en jou vrou dit nie gevat het nie – dan waar is die rekeninge, rekords and administrasie van die besighede???????? Toe nou dis nie so moeilik nie? Hoe kan jy die karakter vereistes van n’ mediese dokter voltooi wat by n’ beroemde mediese fasiliteit soos UNITAS hier aangestel is as jy nie kan bewys waar is die boeke vir jou eie besighede en al die beleggers se gelde is geheimsinnig weg…en hulle sit nou in die ergste ekonomiese resessie in geskiedenis terwyl jy lekker lewe en baljaar in Die Hoewes en maak asof daar niks fout is wat jy en vrou Sanet Grieve jou mede Direkteur (bedanking as direkteur staan haar nie af nie) gedoen het nie. Jy sien Dokter Grieve, hier in Centurion, asook in die hele Afrika word n’ dokter op hoog gehou en geprys en vertrou, sy woord is absoluut, en aangesien ek ook n’ dokter is, aangesien ek ook hier in UNITAS werk, wil ek ook weet – waar is almal se geld ? en indien dit weg is – hoekom is daar geen spore nie, geen rekords nie, geen bewyse nie, geen boeke nie ?– nee Dokter Grieve, die enigste ding wat hier in die hospitaal by jou en saam jou teenwoordig is, is “mens rea en actus reus” dalk weet jy wat bedoel dit….jy is mos so slim geleerd. Jy bekommer ons..... Dalk kan jou beleggers dit nie sien nie, maar dis maklik om vir enige geleerde persoon te sien wat julle maklik moontlik kon gedoen het – julle kon net die balans van die finansies maatskappy lenings boekskulde of uitleen kontrakte sonder die beleggers se toestemming of kennis verkoop of geparkeer…. Nie so nie ? Ja of Nee ? Jy is nie n' Nobel pryswenner nie, dit is al baie gedoen en elke liewe een wat dit gedoen het is gevang.....dink bietjie daaraan. Dis hoekom jy ons bekommer.... Jy skuld ons nie geld hier nie Dokter Grieve, maar ons is bewus van n’ groep lokale mense van wie af jy persoonlik hulle lewens geld gevat het en wie nou sonder stem sit, sonder geld 3.sit, in n’ paar gevalle sonder kos sit, definitief sonder toekoms sit – onder die bogenoemde moeilike omstandighede, en wat direk vir jou nou vra – waar is hulle geld of wat het jy daarmee gedoen ? Dokter Grieve, van ons ken jou, ons weet van al jou stories en jou agtergrond en die pak leuens wat jy saam rondgetrek het van die Clubview Mediese Sentrum se dae al toe jy jou vennoot die apteker ingedoen het en laat bankrot speel. Ons weet hoe rooi word jy wanneer jy lieg en bedrieg en hoe bars jy met kolle uit wanneer jy weet jy is uitgevang. Van ons ken van die mense en pasiënte wat geld in jou hande gesit het. Van ons weet wie ons sou glo .....Ons hou jou nou dop en kyk vir kolle.... Jy word hierdeur uitgedaag om te bewys dat jy en vrou Sanet Grieve nie saam bedrog gepleeg het nie. Ons se voor almal dat jy jou beleggers bedrieg het en verneuk het en dat jy en vrou Grieve saam skuldig aan groot bedrog is. As jy voel dis nie so nie - bewys dit....maklik. Bring na vore die bewys dat jy, dat julle, nie bedrog gepleeg het en dat julle nie die klomp ou, siek en bejaarde se geld gevat het nie. Toe nou – haal uit en wys. Maak n’ ordentlike verklaring in die pers media hieroor om jou en vrou Sanet Grieve se onskuld te bewys…..as jy die waarheid praat sal jy net so maak, en jou naam publiek skoonmaak, indien nie, neem ons dan aan jy kan nie, en dat julle skuldig is. Sulke oneerlikheid is miskien beter tuis by Bara of een van die tuisland hospitale...nie hier nie.....ons wag vir jou pers verklaring. Tot dan toe bekommer jy ons....almal. Bekommerde Unitas en ander Dokters, Verpleegsters en Kollegas Reply With Quote + Reply to Thread Page 8 of 10 ... 6 7 8 9 10First Last Ch. 13 Bankruptcy Lawyer Filing For Ch.13 Bankruptcy? Call Us Now For Legal Help - Free Eval Belsky-Weinberg-Horowitz.com Philip I. Klein, Free Consultation- 410-356-1074 Keep your home, car. Payment plans www.bankruptcymdlaw.com Law Firms(Local) Patricia Cresta-Savage Criminal, Employment & Business Law www.pcslaw.net Tags for this Thread david stephen grieve, dr ds grieve, ds grieve, ina papenfus, sanet grieve botha View Tag Cloud Digg del.icio.us StumbleUpon Google Did you like this article? Share it with your favourite social network. You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts Posting Permissions BB code is On Smilies are On [IMG] code is On HTML code is Off Forum Rules converted by Web2PDFConvert.com
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  • 49. Forum Social Category The Whistleblower Forum Directors Duties and Liabilities in RSA Welcome to The Forum SA. As a visitor you have read only access to the public content areas of this website. You will have to register as a member to access all content, post messages and network with our members. Membership is free and registering is quick and easy. You can click here to register now and become a member within minutes. Thread: Directors Duties and Liabilities in RSA About TFSA | Help | Twitter User Name Password Log in Remember Me? RegisterHelp Search Web Forum SA Homepage Articles Blogs What's New? Today's Posts FAQ Calendar ForumActions QuickLinks AdvancedSearch + Reply to Thread Results 81 to 90 of 92 Page 9 of 10 ... 7 8 9 10First Last Thread Tools Display 06-Aug-11, 04:47 AM More Elderly Victims of Dr DS Grieve Bridging Solutions... Just notified to me, located, identified and confirmed thanks to this forum:- Karin Combrinck - retired - R1,000,000.00 (Life savings) J Combrinck - retired - R1,000,000.00 (life savings) Magrieta Van Der Merwe - R200,000.00 (life savings) elderly pensioner 85 years old ) Magdaliena EJ Viljoen - R500,000.00 (life savings) (elderly pensioner 67 years old) Albert Van Der Linde R500,000.00 (life savings) Old age pensioner 78 years old For a medical doctor bragging on Facebook to be "earning well in excess of the R550 k I was offered - still I am much better off than a working man while having to do this" - I find personally repugnant. Others will have their own opinions. I have just finished reading a detailed scientifically accepted impact study on the effects of financial fraud on the elderly who have no recovery alternatives or time. Defrauding the elderly, is, in simple terms - just cold blooded murder..... Doing it to ones own trusting friends, former patients and family.....I will leave the description to readers own imaginations. #81 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Gauteng 61 13 Thanked 28 Times in 21 Posts Lawyer Destroyer Full Member Last edited by Lawyer Destroyer; 06-Aug-11 at 05:00 AM. Reason: sp Reply With Quote 06-Aug-11, 11:08 AM Given the number of alleged fraud cases, the long time span and given the large amounts of money allegedly involved how come there has been no justice? How many of these cases have actually made it onto the court roll? #82 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Jan 2010 Cape Town 1,504 181 Thanked 256 Times in 214 Posts AndyD Platinum Member _______________________________________________ "If I had asked people what they wanted they would have said faster horses." - Henry Ford. Forum converted by Web2PDFConvert.com
  • 50. _______________________________________________ Reply With Quote 07-Aug-11, 10:54 AM I did a bit of scratching on that issue a bit over a month ago. My impression is it remains unclear as to where this is going to go in the end and it would be premature to leap to any conclusions at this point. If you consider the ongoing saga around the Fidentia collapse where issues are probably more clear-cut than in this case... these things take time. It is possible that this may simply be yet another financing operation that got caught short as a result of the financial turmoil of 2008 - it certainly was a factor. Or there could be more to it - certainly there are some very unhappy investors pursuing that possibility. From a strict "directors' duties" point of view, it seems there may have been some issues - but whether they constitute wilful fraud, embezzlement... Well, there are cookies way sharper than I looking at that pretty closely. For anyone who has been following this thread, about the only other useful thing I have to say right now is that this discussion clearly does not reflect both sides of the story and is best read with your thinking cap firmly in place. #83 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Blog Entries: May 2006 Durban, South Africa 13,144 1,515 Thanked 1,087 Times in 950 Posts 6 Dave A Site Caretaker Originally Posted by AndyD Given the number of alleged fraud cases, the long time span and given the large amounts of money allegedly involved how come there has been no justice? Understanding the will of the people: Ten people who speak make more noise than ten thousand who are silent. Napoleon Bonaparte. Indeed, the people have spoken and they say: "Let the politicians be rich!" Reply With Quote Thanks given for this post: AndyD (07-Aug-11) 08-Sep-11, 06:32 AM Dr DS Grieve / Sanet Grieve Botha - Fraud and Ponzi Scheme Operation No matter what cap one wears, if one considers the facts alone there can only be one summary of this saga. I have recently been contacted by one of the victims and provided with more than sufficient evidence to clearly demonstrate blatant fraud with criminal intent. What it appears has transpired is in fact a whole series of subsequent frauds based on the initial one culminating in in a cascade of criminal activities by both parties involved. Let there be what ever other facts there may be - I have certainly been provided with and seen enough to draw a conclusion. radix enim omnium malorum est cupiditas #84 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Gauteng 61 13 Thanked 28 Times in 21 Posts Lawyer Destroyer Full Member Reply With Quote 16-Sep-11, 09:46 AM Dr DS Grieve & Sanet Grieve Botha - Just in case anyone forgets what they look like. I have a feeling we will soon see a lot more of them.......... Dr DS Grieve & Sanet Grieve nee Botha #85 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Gauteng 61 13 Thanked 28 Times in 21 Posts Lawyer Destroyer Full Member Last edited by Lawyer Destroyer; 16-Sep-11 at 09:52 AM. Reason: sp Reply With Quote 16-Sep-11, 02:51 PM #86 converted by Web2PDFConvert.com
  • 51. Stirrer... How are things going on the legal action front? Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Blog Entries: May 2006 Durban, South Africa 13,144 1,515 Thanked 1,087 Times in 950 Posts 6 Dave A Site Caretaker Understanding the will of the people: Ten people who speak make more noise than ten thousand who are silent. Napoleon Bonaparte. Indeed, the people have spoken and they say: "Let the politicians be rich!" Reply With Quote 27-Sep-11, 08:57 AM Fraud Theft and Ponzi Schemes Outstanding - thanks for asking. I will never be out of a job. I can tell you now it is getting warm and I don't mean Summer is coming..... There is an old saying by Columbo the old TV series detective - "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time...." and always remember - someone is always watching ......LD #87 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Gauteng 61 13 Thanked 28 Times in 21 Posts Lawyer Destroyer Full Member Last edited by Lawyer Destroyer; 27-Sep-11 at 08:58 AM. Reason: sp Reply With Quote 22-Oct-11, 04:45 AM Another One Bites The Dust....... I have had a number of queries raised about the Dr DS Grieve & Sanet Grieve Botha saga which I intend to update shortly as there have been substantial movements in this case lately- (the last 60 days to be precise) - including the uncovering of interesting facts from a former waitress of Cynthia's restaurant - Louise M, who worked at the restaurant....and ended up laying criminal charges against the owner, for which he was arrested. In the meantime here's another little ditty about a Cape Town Director who was even a man of the cloth (Trust me......) and his wife Belinda Freeman who thought they were above the law - and beyond the reach of their victims (through using the corporate and matrimonial cloaks). Asked for help by the victims......naturally given...... http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/201...d-of-r5m-fraud So Craig and Belinda - why shouldn't you do what you want with other peoples money once you have convinced them to put it into your account for a specific purpose ????? .........Mr Craig Freeman and Mrs Belinda Freeman ....and others..... BECAUSE IT'S FRAUD, IT'S AGAINST THE LAW - AND FINALLY - IT DOESN'T BELONG TO YOU..... Remember this in your search for moral guidance - the prayers of the wicked are not heard.... #88 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Gauteng 61 13 Thanked 28 Times in 21 Posts Lawyer Destroyer Full Member Last edited by Lawyer Destroyer; 22-Oct-11 at 04:51 AM. Reason: sp Reply With Quote 16-Nov-11, 09:29 AM #89 Lawyer Destroyer converted by Web2PDFConvert.com
  • 52. ...With Criminal Intent and Purpose... Dr DS Grieve Summary It is patently clear alleged that Dr DS Grieve and his wife Sanet Grieve Botha with criminal intent and purpose amongst others:- Were joint directors in Dr DS Grieve Bridging Solutions (Pty) Ltd Conspired to commit fraud and defraud the investors in their business Dr DS Grieve Bridging Solutions (Pty) Ltd.. Jointly conspired and collaborated together to fraudulently place Dr DS Grieve Bridging Solutions (Pty) Ltd into an unnecessary and criminally inspired liquidation, first through a failed Pretoria High Court Application, then through CIPRO via the back door. Collaborated to defraud the investors in Dr DS Grieve Bridging Solutions (pty) Ltd with criminal intent. Together ran a deceitful, deliberate and purposeful bonafide Ponzi Scheme. Embezzled stole and misappropriated the investors funds placed in trust. Used their position in the community to gather and gain the trust of friends family and patients deliberately intent on defrauding them. Defrauded their friends, family, patients and especially elderly retired and pensioned victims who trusted him as a medical doctor. Ran a similar scheme before and have been cautioned by the Pretoria lawyer Mr Gert van Schalkwyk of Arcadia who saved Grieve that he would end up in jail if this was repeated. Carried out brazenly a series of financial gymnastics which are defined as racketeering, money laundering, tax fraud, tax evasion, operating the business of a bank without being registered, contravening (in many instances and in multiple places) the Banks Act, the Harmful Business Practice Act, The National Credit Act and the Companies Act, as well as fraud, embezzlement and theft by misrepresentation and theft by conversion. Used a computer to gain pecuniary advantage and defraud investors. Used the internet as a tool and device to lure unsuspecting victims. Encouraged their staff to participate in lying to victims and playing for time. Stripped the company of it's assets and failed to account for inter company loans and transfers to Grieve's wife's businesses thereby materially enriching her and laundering the investors funds to her accounts. Stole the directly invested funds of investors without hesitation and with full criminal intent. Are now the subject of a series of criminal complaints primarily by elderly and retired victims. Dr DS Grieve & Sanet Grieve Botha and an interesting reminder from this forum.... http://www.theforumsa.co.za/forums/s...s-in-RSA/page8 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Gauteng 61 13 Thanked 28 Times in 21 Posts Lawyer Destroyer Full Member Dr DS Grieve Investments / Dr DS Grieve Bridging Solutions (pty) Ltd in Liquidation Well well well - it seems that Dr DS Grieve has operated Pyramid and Ponzi schemes before.....several individuals (again including patients of his) from Pretoria and Centurion recently confirmed that Dr DS Grieve left them substantially out of pocket in the early 2000's - whilst practising as a medical doctor - at the Clubview Medical Centre - only escaping prosecution by the skin of his teeth and with the help of a Pretoria lawyer Mr Gert van Schalkwyk of Arcadia, a criminal lawyer who negotiated and helped Dr DS Grieve to pay the investors a percentage back of what they had invested and then made them sign confidentiality and non disclosure hold harmless contracts. Fortunately they have not been shy to come forward and have willingly offered to make full disclosure. Grieve narrowly missed being prosecuted by the NPA when no formal complaints were made to the SAPS. Grieve had chanced his arm and was guilty of a multitude of sins and transgressions under the companies, banks and trading acts. He was sternly warned by Pretoria Attorney Mr Gert Van Schalkwyk that he was on thin ice and risked criminal prosecution. Last edited by Dave A; 18-Nov-11 at 12:55 PM. Reason: amended per user request Reply With Quote 16-Nov-11, 08:00 PM #90 Dave A converted by Web2PDFConvert.com
  • 53. ---- tfsates3 « The bitch is back! Contact Us The Forum SA Archive Privacy Statement Top All times are GMT +2. The time now is 06:33 AM. Powered by vBulletin® Version 4.1.7 Copyright © 2011 vBulletin Solutions, Inc. All rights reserved. Copyright © 2006 - 2011 The Forum SA. Content published under the Creative Commons (by-nc-sa) licence except where indicated otherwise. Content may not be republished for commercial gain without written permission from The Forum SA. All content is subject to this general disclaimer notice. This is getting tiresome It is also law that people are innocent until proven guilty Unless something has changed since I last checked, the correct phrase at this point would be "It is alleged..." If it is "patently clear," get it to court. This continual dripping without any evidence of legal progress is increasingly looking like slander and harrassment. Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Blog Entries: May 2006 Durban, South Africa 13,144 1,515 Thanked 1,087 Times in 950 Posts 6 Dave A Site Caretaker Originally Posted by Lawyer Destroyer It is patently clear that Dr DS Grieve and his wife Sanet Grieve Botha with criminal intent and purpose amongst others:- Understanding the will of the people: Ten people who speak make more noise than ten thousand who are silent. Napoleon Bonaparte. Indeed, the people have spoken and they say: "Let the politicians be rich!" Reply With Quote + Reply to Thread Page 9 of 10 ... 7 8 9 10First Last Ch. 13 Bankruptcy Lawyer Filing For Ch.13 Bankruptcy? Call Us Now For Legal Help - Free Eval Belsky-Weinberg-Horowitz.com Chapter 7 MeansTest Determine If Chapter 7 Is An Option For You, CompleteA Free Evaluation www.Chapter7.com Ask a Lawyer Online Now A Lawyer Will Answer You Now! Legal Questions Answered Today: 87. Law.JustAnswer.com Tags for this Thread david stephen grieve, dr ds grieve, ds grieve, ina papenfus, sanet grieve botha View Tag Cloud Digg del.icio.us StumbleUpon Google muti Laaikit Facebook My Yahoo! Did you like this article? Share it with your favourite social network. You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts Posting Permissions BB code is On Smilies are On [IMG] code is On HTML code is Off Forum Rules Ads byGoogle Bankruptcy CH 7 Bankruptcy Help Bankruptcy Forms converted by Web2PDFConvert.com
  • 54. Forum Social Category The Whistleblower Forum Directors Duties and Liabilities in RSA Welcome to The Forum SA. As a visitor you have read only access to the public content areas of this website. You will have to register as a member to access all content, post messages and network with our members. Membership is free and registering is quick and easy. You can click here to register now and become a member within minutes. Thread: Directors Duties and Liabilities in RSA About TFSA | Help | Twitter User Name Password Log in Remember Me? RegisterHelp Search Web Forum SA Ch. 13 Bankruptcy Lawyer Filing For Ch.13 Bankruptcy? Call Us Now For Legal Help - Free Eval Belsky-Weinberg-Horowitz.com Chapter 7 Means Test Determine If Chapter 7 Is An Option For You, Complete A Free Evaluation www.Chapter7.com Homepage Articles Blogs What's New? Today's Posts FAQ Calendar ForumActions QuickLinks AdvancedSearch Ch. 13 Bankruptcy Lawyer Filing For Ch.13 Bankruptcy? Call Us Now For Legal Help - Free Eval Belsky-Weinberg-Horowitz.com Fiduciary Compliance Helping Plan Sponsors and their advisors get compliance done right www.FiduciaCare.com + Reply to Thread Results 91 to 92 of 92 Page 10 of 10 ... 8 9 10First Thread Tools Display 18-Nov-11, 11:32 AM With Criminal Intent.... Dave - point taken - "alleged" it is then, clearly alleged. This is not harassment or being unreasonable to DR DS Grieve - even his own colleagues and doctors at Unitas have blackballed him in the face of their own challenge for him to make a public media statement about what happened to the old pensioners and former patients money, the silence is deafening and always has been....... money. It didn't just vanish in the last two weeks before he liquidated now did it - those were his words on another website when this all started, we can open that one with enough trying I am sure. . - Dr DS Grieve stated on Facebook he was busy with his next financial venture and would be carrying this out shortly, and as suggested by an angry young man on Justtext.com whose Grandfather from Delmas Dr DS Grieve had recently spoke to again about investments and investing......see his reaction - as well as a lot of folk who know the Grieve couple....by all impressions well. http://www.justtext.com/messageboard...703065751.html or http://www.justtext.com/messageboard...216173034.html...I note someone will be publishing this whole Facebook conversation between Dr DS Grieve and his Witbank High School friend in due course...... this is fraud exposure, mass education, and fraud prevention. and I think its time for mainstream media coverage anyway. This thread alone has had more readership than some communal newspapers like the Centurion Rekord for instance. LD Dr DS Grieve & Sanet Grieve Botha (legal Justification - Picture taken from Facebook website) #91 Join Date: Location: Posts: Thanks: Oct 2010 Gauteng 61 13 Thanked 28 Times in 21 Posts Lawyer Destroyer Full Member Last edited by Lawyer Destroyer; 18-Nov-11 at 11:42 AM. Reason: sp Reply With Quote 18-Nov-11, 01:28 PM The question is really why are there no tangible steps toward justice if such blatant and widespread fraud was allegedly perpetrated? Conversations and threads on social networking sites are not action, why is there no prosecuton or class action? #92 AndyD Platinum Member Forum converted by Web2PDFConvert.com
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