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  1. 1. MSI Eclipse SLI & X58 Platinum Eric van Beurden / October 2008 / v1.03 EU
  2. 2. What is new on X58? X58 X48 Front side bus (FSB) 1.6GT/s Triple channel DDR3 Dual channel DDR2/3 QuickPath Interconnect (QPI) 6.4GT/s nVidia SLI & ATI CrossFireX New Core i7 technology Eclipse is based on Intel X58, supporting the new socket LGA1366 for new Core i7 CPU’s (Nehalem architecture). Int. Memory Controller
  3. 3. Why Eclipse? <ul><li>An Eclipse is still mysterious and for many unknown phenomenon; just like X58 </li></ul><ul><li>The MSI Eclipse has a new colour scheme; Black & Dark Blue with a copper heat-pipe, same colours as visible during an eclipse </li></ul><ul><li>MSI Eclipse is designed with in mind to overshadow all other mainboards </li></ul>Pronunciation /ɛ’klɪps/ or /i’klɪps/ Noun Eclipse: The term is most often used to describe either a solar eclipse, when the Moon's shadow crosses the Earth's surface, or a lunar eclipse, when the Moon moves into the shadow of Earth. Verb Eclipse: (transitive) To overshadow; to be better or more noticeable than others.
  4. 4. MSI Eclipse SLI & X58 Platinum
  5. 5. The cool secret below the HeatPipe True 6-Phase DrMOS PWM
  6. 6. Let’s take a look what the media had to say about DrMOS on P45...
  7. 7. The Media about DrMOS HardOCP.com 1 (USA) about DrMOS: Bit-Tech.net 2 (UK) about DrMOS: Benchmark.co.yu 3 (Serbia) about DrMOS: Technews.lt 4 (Lithuania) about DrMOS: Tweaktown.com 5 (Australia) about DrMOS “ It was cool to the touch regardless of how long the system had run or how much overclocking I did. This was the coolest running board I’ve seen in some time.” “ It seems that in work PWM at DKA790GX Platinum is noticeably cooler than Gigabyte solution even with Gigabyte massive full-pipe system.” “ ..MSI does happen to make the board with the lowest power consumption under load. That said though, at just 155W under load it's only 20-25W more than the idle Gigabyte GA-EP45-DQ6!” “ DrMOS chip has four times the area smaller than take the standard MOSFET + IC. Of course, this noticeably improves the stability and speeding up.“ “ MSIs first dive into the green PC market is extremely impressive. …The new Driver Mosfets manage to help keep the boards’ key components at cooler temperatures than any of the competitor’s boards, showing just how well this new technology can work.”
  8. 8. Best Power Saving Lowest Temperature Extreme Overclocking Longest Lifetime DrMOS; the 2 nd generation integrated Dr iver MOS FET. The 3-in-1 chip is a driver IC + top / bottom MOSFET. , a recap 2004 2006 Discrete D-PAK MOSFET Discrete Power-PAK MOSFET 2008 MSI Exclusive Driver IC Top-MOSFET Bottom-MOSFET
  9. 9. MSI is the only one with 2 nd Gen. DrMOS and leads the industry . ON MSI X58 we added also DrMOS chips to the CPU PWM. Industry Leading & MSI Exclusive
  10. 10. Less Phase is better (Fake) 12-Phase and 16-Phase PWMs are only for marketing . Anandtech.com 6 (USA) about Asus P45 PWM MSI has designed a True 6-Phase PWM based on DrMOS. “ The P5Q3 may report the use of a 16-phase PWM but we know better. Although ASUS design engineers have added a lot of extra chokes and MOSFETS, the overall capacity of the power delivery circuit remains comparable to their competitors‘… …we would rather see ASUS concentrate their efforts on designing an entirely new circuit based on a true 6-phase PWM. ”
  11. 11. “ Unlike Asus and Gigabyte, who seem more than content with trying to outswing each other in the more-phases-are-better e-peen department, MSI manages to do exactly the same as these double figure implemen-tations with just the five phases.” DrMOS does more with less MSI DrMOS works efficient, stays cool and provides the best performance. MSI P45 already proved this . Tom’s Hardware 7 (Germany) about DrMOS: Bit-Tech.net 8 (UK) about DrMOS: “ You’d expect the highest stable CPU clock to be reached using the 16-phase power regulator of Asus or Gigabyte, but instead we find MSI’s 6-phase products taking first and second place.”
  12. 12. With Eclipse we will take DrMOS to the next level...
  13. 13. 2-Phase DrMOS on QPI and Chipset On P45/790GX we’ve put DrMOS on the CPU PWM. Eclipse will have 2-Phase QPI DrMOS and 2-Phase Chipset DrMOS ! True 6-Phase DrMOS PWM 2-Phase QPI DrMOS 2-Phase Chipset DrMOS NEW NEW *
  14. 14. Hi-c CAP’s are used when stability, lifespan, temperature and quality matters , like on 200$ industrial ITX mainboards. Hi-c CAP, better than solid capacitors MSI Industrial ITX mainboard “Fuzzy 945GME2” 9 *
  15. 15. Best Power Saving Longest Lifespan Extreme Overclocking Lowest Temperature Hi-c CAP ( Hi ghly- c onductive polymerized Cap acitor) gives super low power loss at high freq. for the best stability and longest lifespan . 2x Longer Lifespan than solid capacitors! Industry leading & Exclusive Hi-c CAP * 2004 2006 Liquid capacitor Solid capacitor (Lower ESR) 2008 MSI exclusive Hi-c CAP
  16. 16. DrMOS and Hi-c CAP are already efficient. But it gets better...
  17. 17. APS switches power phases on or off to increase efficiency. Unlike other solutions APS is the only one which works on all power phases , not only on the CPU PWM. Bit-Tech.net 10 (UK) about APS: APS ( A ctive P hase S witching) QPI CPU PWM Chipset Memory “ When used with north bridge, memory and CPU, the GreenPower efficiency drops MSI’s power use a massive 30W under load and a fairly significant 12W when idle.” MSI ONLY MSI ONLY MSI ONLY Eclipse SLI Type Phase APS CPU PWM DrMOS 6 phase From 1 to 6 QPI DrMOS 2 phase From 1 to 2 Chipset DrMOS 2 phase From 1 to 2 Memory PowerPak 2 phase From 1 to 2
  18. 18. Full control via BIOS or GreenPower Center APS is fully integrated in the MSI GreenPower design; it can react very fast without a delay. It’s fully managable via the BIOS ( OS independent > Linux ) or GreenPower Center. Bit-Tech.net 11 (UK) about APS: APS is OS independent “ The real-time adjustments are even faster and more acute than even what Gigabyte offers – the power phase use is constantly changing from one to two, two to three, two to four, etc in fast relation to CPU load demands.” “ If you want to limit the system to just a certain phase use – say always on four phases, you can do that too.” A ctive P hase S witching MSI only OS independent
  19. 19. MSI APS system is the first intelligent, fully managable power saving technology on the market. APS compared to others Win! Win! Win! Win! Win! Win! Power Saving Technology * PWM IC ISL6336 max 6 phases ISL6336 max 6 phases EPU ( ASP0800 ) +PEM ( ASP0801 ) max 4 phases each Total Number of Phases 6-Phase 12-Phase 16-Phase PWM Phase Splitter No, True 6-Phase Phase splitter(6>12) Phase splitter (8>16) BIOS Management YES, OS independent - - Software Management GreenPower Center DES EPU-6 engine CPU switching steps 6-Phase, per 1 12-Phase, per 2 16-Phase, per 2 QPI switching steps Yes, 2-gear ? ? Northbridge switching steps Yes, 2-gear - - Memory switching steps Yes, 2-gear - - *Figures based on P45 situation
  20. 20. True 6-Phase DrMOS PWM Others are splitting each phase up into 2 weaker phases to reach higher numbers for marketing . If they switch off one PWM-IC phase, two phases are switched off. MSI has a True 6-Phase DrMOS PWM. Phase1 Phase1 Phase 2 Phase 3 Phase 4 Phase 5 Phase 6 DES or EPU like software Phase 1 Phase 2 Phase 3 Phase 4 Phase 5 Phase 6 Phase 3 Phase 4 Phase 5 Phase 6 Phase 7 Phase 8 Phase 9 Phase 10 Phase 11 Phase 12 ISL6336 (6-Phase) ISL6336 (6-Phase) Phase 2 Phase 1 Phase-Splitter Phase 1 Competitor PWM MSI Eclipse True 6-Phase DrMOS PWM
  21. 21. Why is the MSI PWM design better? Others use a 6-Phase PWM-IC (conv. to 12) and switch in steps of 2. Each using 6 components (4 MOSFETs + 2 Chokes) which each waste power and generate heat . MSI APS switches in steps of 1 and each using only 2 components (1 DrMOS + 1 Choke). 6-Phase PWM-IC phases are switched off in steps of 12/10/8/6/4/2 . 6 3 2 6-Phase PWM-IC Phases are switched off in steps of 6/5/4/3/2/1 . 2 components controlled by 1 PWM-IC phase 1a 6 components are controlled by 1 PWM-IC phase MSI Eclipse Competitor board 1b Wasting Power 4 6 5 3 2 1 5 4
  22. 22. So now you understand why the logo looks like this:
  23. 23. Behold the future of computing… Eclipse and more…
  24. 24. Our engineers put a lot of research in smart PCB layout design to optimize the airflow and improve the cooling . Anandtech 14 (USA): Smart PCB layout design All 10 SATA connectors (4 standing + 6 angled) and the angled IDE connector are accessible when 3 VGA cards are installed. Extra airflow between VGA cards and space for big sized aftermarket VGA coolers. You can remove the memory modules without removing first the VGA Card Flat Hi-c CAP’s creates more space for larger coolers Low profile Split Thermal System to allow larger CPU coolers “ In fact, the layout of the X58 Eclipse is one of the best we have seen in a long time with all ports and slots easily accessed .”
  25. 25. Eclipse SLI has a special Solid Circuit design. OC’er Coolaler was able to set a skyhigh memory bandwidth record 15 on air cooling. Solid Circuit design for Memory
  26. 26. PCIe storage chip Drive Booster chip 1 PATA / IDE 2 Drive Booster chip 2 1 <ul><li>Speed-UP </li></ul><ul><li>Back-UP </li></ul><ul><li>-Fast hardware RAID </li></ul><ul><li>-Quick plug & play </li></ul><ul><li>Easy setup process </li></ul><ul><li>Ultra low CPU usage </li></ul><ul><li>2 independent systems </li></ul><ul><li>OS independent </li></ul>Drive Booster
  27. 27. Easy OC Switch <ul><li>With P45 we introduced a OC jumper but we found out that a switch would be more user friendly... so we present Easy OC Switch . </li></ul><ul><li>No need to understand the BIOS </li></ul><ul><li>Easy to use, overclocking for dummies </li></ul><ul><li>After CMOS reset your OC still works </li></ul><ul><li>Directly upgrade to next CPU speed bump </li></ul><ul><li>The Easy OC Switch arranges all the settings so trouble free ! </li></ul>Core i7 920 $299 Core i7 965 $999 Save 700$ No trouble MSI Unique
  28. 28. Eclipse is the first mainboard to support both ATI CrossfireX and nVidia 3-way SLI . With 3x PCI-E x16 slots many scenarios are possible. CrossfireX & SLI support PCI-E x16 slot #1 PCI-E x16 slot #2 PCI-E x16 slot #3 ATI configurations nVidia configurations Single Single (+PhysX) CrossfireX 2 GPU’s SLI (+PhysX) CrossfireX 3 GPU’s 3-Way SLI (+PhysX) CrossfireX 2x 2 GPU’s Multi SLI (+PhysX)
  29. 29. Split Thermal System <ul><li>We use a copper Split Thermal System on our True 6-Phase DrMOS PWM and the chipset . Touch it to feel the cool result. </li></ul><ul><li>No heat transfer from chipset to the CPU PWM which improves OC </li></ul><ul><li>Pure Copper HeatPipe to Effectively remove heat </li></ul><ul><li>Split Thermal System is more than 33% cooler than a high-end P45 system </li></ul>Eclipse + i7 965 @ 3.2GHz 12 True 6-Phase DrMOS PWM Chipset
  30. 30. Got frustrated before? Short Pins? Remove Battery? Cable Mess? Easy Button Easy Button M-Connector Eclipse comes with some tools like Easy Button and M-Connector which make your life more easy.
  31. 31. D-LED 2 display <ul><li>Remember the MSI D-LED bracket with 4 LEDs showing debug messages? With Eclipse we introduce the D-LED 2 with a display . </li></ul><ul><li>Easy onboard installation </li></ul><ul><li>Displays debug messages when booting </li></ul><ul><li>Displays system status messages : </li></ul><ul><ul><li>CPU FSB </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Northbridge Vcore </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>CPU Vcore </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Temperature </li></ul></ul><ul><li>Visible in the dark </li></ul><ul><li>Switch messages </li></ul><ul><li>with D-LED 2 button </li></ul><ul><li>Includes a temperature </li></ul><ul><li>sensor for thermal detect. </li></ul><ul><li>Complete integration into the MSI GreenPower design. </li></ul>Temperature sensor D-LED 2 display *
  32. 32. D-LED 2 button During the boot process you see debug messages. After this you can use the D-LED 2 button to switch between all different messages which will be shown on the display. Debug Messages System Information *
  33. 33. MSI Eclipse Mainboard Computer System 100 Watt Power Supply GreenPower Genie GreenPower Genie can realtime detect 12V, 5V and 3.3V. Via the SM Bus this can be monitored via the BIOS, software and D-LED 2 . System Management Bus (SM Bus) NEW NEW * PSU
  34. 34. Improved MSI CoreCenter <ul><li>MSI improved CoreCenter is a combination of CoreCenter , DOT and GreenPower Center in one application . </li></ul><ul><li>Different user levels (basic / advanced) </li></ul><ul><li>Advanced tuning options </li></ul><ul><li>All LED’s on the mainboard can be disabled, no sunglasses needed  . </li></ul>GreenPower Advanced mode GreenPower Basic mode GreenPower LED control
  35. 35. <ul><li>MSI Eclipse comes with the world´s best hardware audio solution which increases your FPS compared to onboard software audio. </li></ul><ul><li>Hardware audio </li></ul><ul><li>7.1 EAX Advanced HD 4.0 </li></ul><ul><li>Ultra low CPU usage </li></ul><ul><li>Removable, perfect for extreme overclockers </li></ul><ul><li>SPDIF Optical output </li></ul><ul><li>60$ retail value </li></ul><ul><li>EMI shielding </li></ul><ul><li>PCI-E x1 </li></ul>Creative X-Fi Xtreme 15% more FPS Unreal Tournament 2004 13 *
  36. 36. Trusted Platform Module (TPM) Eclipse has a TPM v1.2 pinheader which can be use to increase your security . You can secure passwords and encrypt harddrives. MSI cares for your security and is shipping mainboards with TPM pin-headers since 2006. At this moment there are more than 70 different MSI mainboards available which can enable TPM.
  37. 37. Behold the future of computing… Continue to focus on the BIOS
  38. 38. <ul><li>MSI P45 comes with a lot of unique BIOS innovations , targeted </li></ul><ul><li>at the enthusiasts and overclockers. </li></ul><ul><li>Memory-Z Very detailed memory information in the BIOS; no need to switch to Windows </li></ul><ul><li>Multi-step OC Booster </li></ul><ul><li>You can always access the BIOS even </li></ul><ul><li>after a failed OC attempt. The OC is not applied in the BIOS and starts when you enter Windows. </li></ul><ul><li>Extreme voltages You can tweak all board voltages in small steps of </li></ul><ul><li>10mV to achieve the highest OC scores. </li></ul><ul><li>Advanced Memory Timings </li></ul><ul><li>Overclocking the memory timings provides you </li></ul><ul><li>extra performance to set that high OC score </li></ul><ul><li>Improved Help functions No need to find manuals to understand how a function works. The BIOS help function is clear </li></ul>MSI BIOS innovations
  39. 39. That was all introduced on MSI P45, Eclipse continues the MSI BIOS innovations... www.msi.eu/bios
  40. 40. <ul><li>On P45 we introduced Memory-Z, the community asked for a similar function for the CPU. Eclipse introduces CPU Specifications . </li></ul><ul><li>CPU Specifications gives detailed CPU spec; </li></ul><ul><ul><li>CPUID </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>CPU stepping </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>CPU clock (freq. and ratio) </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Cache L3, L2, L1 </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Core VID </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Number of cores </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Supported instructionset </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Supported technologies </li></ul></ul>CPU Specifications NEW
  41. 41. <ul><li>Finally you can flash or backup your BIOS with M-Flash in your BIOS. You can use either a HDD or USB as source. </li></ul><ul><li>Update BIOS </li></ul><ul><li>Backup BIOS </li></ul><ul><li>Sorry it took us such a long time... </li></ul>M-Flash DOS Flash Tool Windows Flash Tool BIOS M-Flash Tool Internet Flash Tool NEW
  42. 42. When we do something like M-Flash, then we also do it right!
  43. 43. <ul><li>Want to test a BIOS before actually flashing? With M-Flash you can! Just boot a 2nd BIOS from a USB/HDD . Unique and very useful. </li></ul><ul><li>Much faster and more flexible than your average dual BIOS </li></ul><ul><li>Now test Beta BIOS versions before flashing, no risk involved </li></ul><ul><li>Easily compare different BIOS performance in benchmarks </li></ul><ul><li>Auto recovery; when a BIOS update fails you can still boot & flash from USB </li></ul>M-Flash: Testdrive a BIOS EXCLUSIVE
  44. 44. Behold the future of computing… Summary
  45. 45. Eclipse has everything you desire… Easy Button 3x PCI-E x16 v2.0 CrossfireX & SLI (+PhysX) Easy OC Switch Drive Booster Angled IDE & SATA connectors 2-Phase power for Memory Dual Gb LAN Creative X-Fi Audio card D-LED 2 Firewire Dual eSATA Easy Button M-Connector APS (Active Phase Switch) Hi-c CAP 100% Solid Caps 100% Shielded Chokes GreenPower Genie BIOS CPU Specifications Memory-Z Multi-Step OC Booster M-Flash <ul><li>True 6-Phase DrMOS PWM </li></ul>Nehalem Core i7 GreenPower Design <ul><li>2-Phase DrMOS QPI & Chipset </li></ul>Pure copper Split Thermal System 10 SATA RAID 6 Fan headers TPM pin header Triple Channel DDR3-1333 (24GB MAX) D-LED 2 button
  46. 46. Complete MSI X58 line-up MSI Channel model Eclipse+ Eclipse SLI X58 Platinum pure copper Split Thermal System Yes Yes Yes APS (Active Phase Switching) Yes Yes Yes True 6-Phase Yes Yes 5-Phase DrMOS QPI & Chipset with Yes Yes - 2-Phase power QPI / Chipset / Memory Yes Yes Yes Hi-c CAP Yes Yes - Creative X-Fi Xtreme Yes Yes - GreenPower Genie Yes Yes - D-LED 2 Yes Yes - PCI-E v2 x16 slots 4x PCI-E x16 3x PCI-E x16 2x PCI-E x16 nVidia SLI Yes, nVidia H/W NF200 3-Way SLI no ATI CrosfireX Yes Yes Yes eSATA2 Connectors 2 2 1 SATA2 RAID Connectors 10 10 8 Drive Booster Yes Yes, 2x Yes, 1x Easy buttons Yes Yes Yes Easy OC Switch Yes Yes Yes Dual Gigabit LAN Yes Yes Yes Firewire Yes Yes Yes 100% Shielded Chokes Yes Yes Yes 100% Made in Japan Solid Capacitor Yes Yes Yes BIOS CPU Specifications, M-Flash Yes Yes Yes TPM pin header Yes Yes Yes ROHS / WEEE / Lead Free / Energy Star 4 ready / Turbo memory ready
  47. 48. Change log <ul><li>v1.0 / 20th of Oct. 2008 </li></ul><ul><li>Initial release </li></ul><ul><li>V1.01 / 22th of Oct. 2008 </li></ul><ul><li>Improved background quality (masterslide) </li></ul><ul><li>P2 + P19 + P33: Included offical Intel Core i7 CPU (picture) </li></ul><ul><li>P3: Replaced ‘golden’ with ‘copper’ </li></ul><ul><li>P7 + P50: Changed typo Technews.it into Technews.lt </li></ul><ul><li>P20: Added 6th phase step for MSI, was missing </li></ul><ul><li>P24: Replaced ‘stellar’ with ‘impressive’ </li></ul><ul><li>P25: Added drivebooster performance bars (picture) </li></ul><ul><li>P26: Easy OC switch, added MSI Unique remark, MSI is first and only one to introduce this on P45. </li></ul><ul><li>P26: Easy OC switch, removed all referral to base clk speed because works more advanced with OC profiles </li></ul><ul><li>P27: Removed Quad SLI support, Eclipse PCI-E x16 slots support it, but nVidia driver limitation </li></ul><ul><li>P28: Added compare bars in (picture) + removed low profile line + english improvement. </li></ul><ul><li>V1.02 / 28th of Oct. 2008 </li></ul><ul><li>P10: Added slide in about fake 12/16 phase PWM, disappeared in v1.01 </li></ul><ul><li>P40 + P45 + P46 + P47: CPU-Z renamed to final marketing name “CPU Specifications” </li></ul><ul><li>P41: Highlight HDD & USB as source </li></ul><ul><li>P43: Added “Auto recovery” to clearify the BIOS function </li></ul><ul><li>P43: Added picture USB BIOS Stick in </li></ul><ul><li>V1.03 / 6th of Nov. 2008 </li></ul><ul><li>Added X58 Platinum information in </li></ul><ul><li>P24: Added Anandtech.com quote </li></ul><ul><li>P25: Solid Circuit design name added </li></ul><ul><li>P28: Edited SLI configurations </li></ul><ul><li>P29: Added Split Thermal System logo in </li></ul><ul><li>P40: Added CPU Specifications logo in </li></ul><ul><li>P41+P43: Added M-Flash logo in </li></ul><ul><li>P46: Delete page 46, same as page 45 </li></ul><ul><li>P47: Changed TBD modelname into final name “Eclipse+” </li></ul>
  48. 49. Media Quotes & Test reports <ul><li>HardOCP / MSI P45 Platinum review / http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTUxNSwsLGhlbnRodXNpYXN0 </li></ul><ul><li>Bit-Tech.net / MSI P45 Platinum review / http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2008/06/20/msi-p45-platinum/1 </li></ul><ul><li>Benchmark.co.yu / MSI DKA790GX Platinum review / http://www.benchmark.co.yu/modules.php?name=BenchmarkNews&file=article&sid=16481 </li></ul><ul><li>Technews.lt / MSI P45D3 Platinum review / http://www.technews.lt/index.php?id=Kas&Id=2465 </li></ul><ul><li>Tweaktown.com / ASUS EPU 6 vs. MSI DrMOS vs. GIGABYTE DES Advanced / http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/1587/1/asus_epu_6_vs_msi_drmos_vs_gigabyte_des_advanced/index.html </li></ul><ul><li>Anandtech.com / Asus P5Q preview / http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=3309&p=1 </li></ul><ul><li>Tom’s Hardware / 11-way P45 motherboard shootout / http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-p45-motherboard,2001.html </li></ul><ul><li>Bit-Tech.net / MSI P45 Platinum review / http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2008/06/20/msi-p45-platinum/1 </li></ul><ul><li>MSI.EU / Fuzzy 945GME2 / http://global.msi.eu/index.php?func=proddesc&maincat_no=388&prod_no=1052 </li></ul><ul><li>Bit-Tech.net / MSI P45 Platinum review / http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2008/06/20/msi-p45-platinum/1 </li></ul><ul><li>Bit-Tech.net / MSI P45 Platinum review / http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2008/06/20/msi-p45-platinum/1 </li></ul><ul><li>Internal testing see MSI Eclipse SLI thermal test report on the next page. </li></ul><ul><li>Digit-life.com / Creative SoundBlaster X-Fi / http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/multimedia/creative-x-fi.html </li></ul><ul><li>Anandtech.com / Eclipse preview / http://www.anandtech.com/weblog/showpost.aspx?i=510 </li></ul><ul><li>Fudzilla.com / Memory OC record / http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=10009&Itemid=1 </li></ul>

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