What’s so Different About Welsh
Genealogy
Similarities
1. Talk to relatives
2. Work back in time
3. Kill off your ancestors
4. Keep track of searches
5. More than o...
Differences
1. Common names
2. Patronymics
3. Nonconformists
4. Language
5. Place names
6. Key records online
COMMON NAMES
• Based on a study of
marriages in Wales
1813-1837
• Insight for success
Names
John
David
Thomas
Evan
William
Edward

Mary
Margaret
Hannah
Matilda
Sarah
Elizabeth
PATRONYMICS
Patronymics
• Mab or ab or ap = son of
• Ferch or verch = daughter of
• In South Wales ab or ap was not always used
Examples
• Jenkin Morgan
• David William Gibbs

• William Morgan John
• Evan Rees ap John
• David Williams
Pre 1813 burial (1750)
Naming Pattern
PLACE-NAMES
Jurisdictions

Diocese & Parish are critical
Find & Use Detailed Maps
WELSH LANGUAGE
What does an American do with this?
Records in Welsh
• Nonconformist records
• Chapel histories
• Monumental inscriptions

• Periodicals
NONCONFORMITY
KEY RECORDS ONLINE
Findmypast.com
Basic Records for Starting
• Census
• Civil registration (birth, marriage, death)
• Church records
• Probate
• Cemetery (t...
Top Websites
• FamilySearch.org: more than 1 billion free records
• Findmypast: best online Welsh collection
• National Li...
PARISH REGISTERS
Pre 1813 burial (1750)
Post 1813 burial
Marriages
Marriages
• Marriages are indexed well and serve as a good
finding tool
• Get your bearings by using maps
– Map of the cou...
Start with a marriage index
• FindMyPast has many Welsh parish registers at
https://www.findmypast.com/ or use FindMyPast
...
Marriages pre 1754
Details to watch for 1754-1837
Post 1836 Parish Register
Some details are the same as before 1837
Some details are new
Christenings
Christenings often show:
• child’s given name
• Father’s name
• Mother’s name
Sometimes included:
• Family re...
Post 1812 parish register christening
Bishop’s Transcript
CIVIL REGISTRATION
David Thomas Howell Death Notice
On the 11th inst., aged 75 years, Mr.
David Thomas Howell, landlord of the
Star Public ho...
CENSUS RECORDS
PROBATE RECORDS
RECORD SUPPLEMENTS /
SUBSTITUTES
Monumental Inscriptions

Supplement other records
Strategies for Success
• Kill off your ancestor
• Find your ancestor in every census
• Always search both the Parish
Regis...
Strategies for Success
• Use indexes
• Don’t trust indexes
• Watch for patronymics:
David Thomas Howell is a clue
What’s so Different About Welsh
Genealogy
Basics of Welsh Research
Begin Tracing Your Family History
Gellilwca Fawr Old Farmhouse
Gellilwca Fawr New Farm House
Pre 1858 Wills
Probate Inventory of Thomas Howell
Probate Inventory of Thomas Howell
Local Histories
There was another poet living in the
district known as Howell Gellilwca, who
was grandfather to Evan Evans...
Indexes First
NBI Coverage for Wales
• Breconshire

5,000

• Cardiganshire

108,000

• Glamorganshire

361,000

• Monmouthshire

9,000

...
Something to Remember

• The National Burial Index
does not include
information from
monumental inscriptions
CHURCH RECORDS
Death Certificate
Death Certificate
Records in Welsh
Pay close attention to all names
Typical 1754-1837 marriage register
Marriage by license
Strategies for Success
• Kill off your ancestor
• Find your ancestor in every census
• Always search both the PRs and BTs
Strategies for Success
• Use indexes
• Don’t trust indexes
• Watch for patronymics:
David Thomas Howell is a clue
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Presented at the 5th Welsh Heritage Festival at Wymore Nebraska on 5 October 2013. A few things make tracing Welsh family history a challenge. Knowing about the challenges and a few solutions will make your family history journey successful and much more enjoyable.

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  • Image from: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~royalancestors/castles/peverel/cardiff_castle.html
  • 1750 burials in Llangiwg, Glamorgan showing three people still using the patronymic naming pattern. These burials provide evidence for the two preceding generations. One person, William Morgan John, was old enough to be married and with an estimated span of thirty three years between generations this burial record moves the pedigree back about 100 years.
  • Records are associated with certain jurisdictions. Parish registers, poor law and census records at the parish level, court records at the county level and probate records at the archdeaconry or diocese.
  • Parish map from: https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/images/7/74/Glamorgan_Parish_map.jpg
  • Ordnance Survey 25 inch to one mile map.Image taken at Neath Antiquarian Society Archive 9 September 2011.
  • From an estate sale catalog, map scale 208.33 feet to an inch. West Glamorgan Archive Service reference D/D Z 543/1 photographed 28 February 2011.
  • Poor law union map
  • Gellionnen Chapel Records, FHL# 813540 item 6, TNA# RG4/3884
  • Membership List, Gellionnen Chapel, Glamorgan, Wales, FHL# 813540 item 6, TNA# RG4/3884
  • Membership List, Gellionnen Chapel, Glamorgan, Wales, FHL# 813540 item 6, TNA# RG4/3884
  • 1750 burials in Llangiwg, Glamorgan showing three people still using the patronymic naming pattern. These burials provide evidence for the two preceding generations. One person, William Morgan John, was old enough to be married and with an estimated span of thirty three years between generations this burial record moves the pedigree back about 100 years.
  • Bishop’s Transcript pre 1813
  • https://www.familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/images/7/74/Glamorgan_Parish_map.jpg
  • Cambrian Newspaper, 26 March 1842.
  • 1861 census of Cilybebyll, Glamorgan, Wales
  • I’m typing in the parish name of Llangiwg but the system does not have the parish listed under that spelling.
  • Margaret died at age 29 and Samuel remarried but it would be difficult to prove this with the parish registers only. The burial is on Family History Library DGS number 425322, image 30,
  • St. David’s Diocese, FHL# 1657085 showing the death date of Thomas Howell and creditors.
  • St. David’s Diocese, FHL# 1657085 showing the death date of Thomas Howell and creditors.
  • History of Y Gwrhyd
  • Hanes EglwysiAnnibynnolCymru
  • FamilySearch.org allows you to search for contact details for FamilySearch Centers around the world.
  • Llangiwg, Glamorgan parish register, DGS number 425328, image 18
  • What's so Different About Welsh Genealogy

    1. 1. What’s so Different About Welsh Genealogy
    2. 2. Similarities 1. Talk to relatives 2. Work back in time 3. Kill off your ancestors 4. Keep track of searches 5. More than one piece of evidence 6. Record what you learn 7. Share the stories 8. Use indexes 9. Don’t trust indexes 10.Same key records
    3. 3. Differences 1. Common names 2. Patronymics 3. Nonconformists 4. Language 5. Place names 6. Key records online
    4. 4. COMMON NAMES
    5. 5. • Based on a study of marriages in Wales 1813-1837 • Insight for success
    6. 6. Names John David Thomas Evan William Edward Mary Margaret Hannah Matilda Sarah Elizabeth
    7. 7. PATRONYMICS
    8. 8. Patronymics • Mab or ab or ap = son of • Ferch or verch = daughter of • In South Wales ab or ap was not always used
    9. 9. Examples • Jenkin Morgan • David William Gibbs • William Morgan John • Evan Rees ap John • David Williams
    10. 10. Pre 1813 burial (1750)
    11. 11. Naming Pattern
    12. 12. PLACE-NAMES
    13. 13. Jurisdictions Diocese & Parish are critical
    14. 14. Find & Use Detailed Maps
    15. 15. WELSH LANGUAGE
    16. 16. What does an American do with this?
    17. 17. Records in Welsh • Nonconformist records • Chapel histories • Monumental inscriptions • Periodicals
    18. 18. NONCONFORMITY
    19. 19. KEY RECORDS ONLINE
    20. 20. Findmypast.com
    21. 21. Basic Records for Starting • Census • Civil registration (birth, marriage, death) • Church records • Probate • Cemetery (tombstone transcriptions etc.)
    22. 22. Top Websites • FamilySearch.org: more than 1 billion free records • Findmypast: best online Welsh collection • National Library of Wales: the nation’s archive • FamilySearch Wiki: help & how to research info • Vision of Britain: maps
    23. 23. PARISH REGISTERS
    24. 24. Pre 1813 burial (1750)
    25. 25. Post 1813 burial
    26. 26. Marriages
    27. 27. Marriages • Marriages are indexed well and serve as a good finding tool • Get your bearings by using maps – Map of the country • https://www.familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Wales – Map of the county showing all parishes • The book Atlas and Index of Parish Registers • Order one of the three maps for Wales at http://www.ihgs.ac.uk/shop/contents/ihgsmaps/ihgsparis hmaps/index.html?action=page&id=2
    28. 28. Start with a marriage index • FindMyPast has many Welsh parish registers at https://www.findmypast.com/ or use FindMyPast for free at a FamilySearch Center • A list of county based indexes is at https://www.familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Wal es_Marriage_Indexes_Before_1837
    29. 29. Marriages pre 1754
    30. 30. Details to watch for 1754-1837
    31. 31. Post 1836 Parish Register
    32. 32. Some details are the same as before 1837
    33. 33. Some details are new
    34. 34. Christenings Christenings often show: • child’s given name • Father’s name • Mother’s name Sometimes included: • Family residence such as the village, street or farm name • Father’s occupation
    35. 35. Post 1812 parish register christening
    36. 36. Bishop’s Transcript
    37. 37. CIVIL REGISTRATION
    38. 38. David Thomas Howell Death Notice On the 11th inst., aged 75 years, Mr. David Thomas Howell, landlord of the Star Public house, Llanguicke. He was for many years a consistent member of the Independents, and was highly esteemed and beloved by all who knew him.
    39. 39. CENSUS RECORDS
    40. 40. PROBATE RECORDS
    41. 41. RECORD SUPPLEMENTS / SUBSTITUTES
    42. 42. Monumental Inscriptions Supplement other records
    43. 43. Strategies for Success • Kill off your ancestor • Find your ancestor in every census • Always search both the Parish Registers and Bishop’s Transcripts
    44. 44. Strategies for Success • Use indexes • Don’t trust indexes • Watch for patronymics: David Thomas Howell is a clue
    45. 45. What’s so Different About Welsh Genealogy
    46. 46. Basics of Welsh Research
    47. 47. Begin Tracing Your Family History
    48. 48. Gellilwca Fawr Old Farmhouse
    49. 49. Gellilwca Fawr New Farm House
    50. 50. Pre 1858 Wills
    51. 51. Probate Inventory of Thomas Howell
    52. 52. Probate Inventory of Thomas Howell
    53. 53. Local Histories There was another poet living in the district known as Howell Gellilwca, who was grandfather to Evan Evans, superindendent of police in Neath at this time, but who was born and brought up in Betting Ganol. I remember many of Howell’s sayings…
    54. 54. Indexes First
    55. 55. NBI Coverage for Wales • Breconshire 5,000 • Cardiganshire 108,000 • Glamorganshire 361,000 • Monmouthshire 9,000 • Montgomeryshire less than 1,000 • Radnorshire 11,000
    56. 56. Something to Remember • The National Burial Index does not include information from monumental inscriptions
    57. 57. CHURCH RECORDS
    58. 58. Death Certificate
    59. 59. Death Certificate
    60. 60. Records in Welsh
    61. 61. Pay close attention to all names
    62. 62. Typical 1754-1837 marriage register
    63. 63. Marriage by license
    64. 64. Strategies for Success • Kill off your ancestor • Find your ancestor in every census • Always search both the PRs and BTs
    65. 65. Strategies for Success • Use indexes • Don’t trust indexes • Watch for patronymics: David Thomas Howell is a clue
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