E ttf fleet meeting 1 june 30 2011

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Electric Truck Task Force first meeting took place on June 30, 2011 via webinar.

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E ttf fleet meeting 1 june 30 2011

  1. 1. E-Truck Task Force Fleet Meeting #1 Bill Van Amburg Senior Vice President Whitney Pitkanen Project Manager June 30, 2011 Advanced Transportation Technologies and Solutions
  2. 2. Goal of Task Force <ul><li>The overall goal of this effort is to speed and support effective E-Truck production and use. In the short term, it will specifically: </li></ul><ul><ul><li>Identify key issues/barriers that need targeting; </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Develop an action plan for addressing those issues; and then </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Work to implement those recommendations with industry and public partners. </li></ul></ul>
  3. 3. UPDATE <ul><li>Clearly cost is biggest barrier to e-truck purchase </li></ul><ul><li>One that point, as we have noted, Calif HVIP program now has essentially doubled the e-Truck voucher (in some cases >$40k) </li></ul><ul><li>NY will hopefully launch a voucher like Calif’s in the fall </li></ul><ul><li>But what is there for other regions? Senators Kohl and Blunt have just re-introduced a Hybrid and Electric Truck tax credit bill in the US Senate (CALSTART supports this measure) </li></ul><ul><li>Up to $24k tax credit for vehicle purchase. Need strong industry and fleet support to have a chance of passage </li></ul><ul><ul><li>Info: http://www.calstart.org/projects/hybrid-truck-users-forum/htuf-blog.aspx </li></ul></ul>
  4. 4. Today’s Agenda <ul><li>Service, support and quality needs – 20 min </li></ul><ul><ul><ul><li>What are the key issues that fleets are encountering with regard to service and support from manufacturers? </li></ul></ul></ul><ul><ul><ul><li>What more do fleets require?  (eg., extended warranties, battery life guarantees, etc.) </li></ul></ul></ul><ul><li>Infrastructure needs – 20 min </li></ul><ul><ul><ul><li>Discussion regarding state-of-the-art high-powered charging systems. </li></ul></ul></ul><ul><ul><ul><li>What are the challenges that fleets are encountering re recharging? </li></ul></ul></ul><ul><ul><ul><li>What solutions would a set of ‘best practices for fleet recharging’ contain?  </li></ul></ul></ul>
  5. 5. Service, Support and Quality Needs Critica l Unimportant Slightly Important Impo r tant Very Important
  6. 6. Service, Support and Quality Needs (detail)
  7. 7. What Would Cause Increased Purchases? Critica l Unimportant Slightly Important Impo r tant Very Important
  8. 8. Key Barriers to Expansion By Respondent Critica l Critica l Unimportant Slightly Important Important Very Important
  9. 9. Discussion <ul><li>Prioritize service/support issues </li></ul><ul><ul><li>Local dealer or support staff </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Localized part storage </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Factory testing before sending vehicle out (some high failure rates, but decent support) </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Extended warranties – especially battery warranties (5-8 or up to 10 years) </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><ul><li>Lease batteries and pay </li></ul></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Wiring harnesses/wiring integrity </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Need better battery management systems with better than pack level management </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Worry: warranties add to price increase </li></ul></ul>
  10. 10. <ul><li>What are the messages to send to manufacturers? </li></ul><ul><li>What solutions would encourage greater purchases from fleets? </li></ul>
  11. 11. Infrastructure Needs <ul><li>SAE J1772 : North American standard for 120V and 240V electrical connectors for EV’s maintained by the Society of Automotive Engineers </li></ul><ul><ul><li>As of February 2010, the SAE J1772 committee is continuing the standardization process with designing a higher-voltage DC Fast Charging connector. </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><ul><li>According to report by CARB (May 2011), U.S. quick-charge standard will be based on the SAE recommendation for a single-port, multi-function connector, rather than both the CHAdeMO and J1772 connectors. </li></ul></ul></ul><ul><ul><ul><li>SAE decision not expected until late 2012 </li></ul></ul></ul>Status of U.S Charging Protocols
  12. 12. Infrastructure Needs <ul><li>Size of electrical connections is important </li></ul><ul><ul><li>Level 2 charger now extended to 100A line (“Tesla rule”) </li></ul></ul><ul><li>- 208 VAC, 80 Amps 16.6 kW </li></ul><ul><li>- 240 VAC, 80 Amps 19.2 kW </li></ul><ul><ul><li>Good for larger truck batteries </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Smith Electric has gone up to 19.2kW and Clipper Creek allows for 80 amps </li></ul></ul><ul><li>Compliance with National Electrical Code safety requirements is necessary ( Article 625) </li></ul><ul><ul><li>Level 2 charging requires EVSE that is permanently mounted and hardwired to a dedicated 240V circuit. </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>EVSE must have UL-listed personnel protection system and UL listed cable and connector assembly. </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>UL-listing is essential or local inspector won’t sign off </li></ul></ul>
  13. 13. Infrastructure Needs UL-listed EVSE Level 2 Pluginamerica.org
  14. 14. Discussion <ul><li>Prioritize infrastructure issues </li></ul><ul><ul><li>Have found there are limits where can park trucks (due to infrastructure costs and location) – takes planning </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Manageable with one or two trucks – but concerned about adding more </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Cost is big to install; one fleet reported $6-8k per EVSE installation, not counting costs to break concrete and install conduit – focusing on where they already have infrastructure/power </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Truck makers early on had set up issues – integrating with EVSE </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Vendors need to be more “up front” when selling trucks what the options and costs are for the recharging part of owning the trucks </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Infrastructure needs to be explained better with cost estimates </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>“ Feels like we have to pry information out of truck sellers” </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Big issue to total cost of ownership – need to know costs at time of purchase so can link to cost of vehicle and include this in the capital cost; otherwise hits fleet expenses </li></ul></ul>
  15. 15. <ul><li>What are the barriers or issues where you need more info, help? </li></ul><ul><ul><li>Like to have a “clearinghouse” of information around e-trucks and be able to learn from best practices of peers; learn problems to avoid, issues with vendors/systems </li></ul></ul><ul><li>Would a description of a “standard hook-up” for e-trucks, with checklist of options, be helpful? </li></ul><ul><ul><li>Yes – Whitney will call fleets to get there experiences and start to frame the cost, process, and options </li></ul></ul>Discussion
  16. 16. Proposed Agenda Topics for Fleet Meeting #2 <ul><ul><li>Any updates/new info from June 30 issues </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Business case validation </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Performance validation data </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Feedback from Industry Meeting #1 </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Suggested dates: </li></ul></ul><ul><ul><li>Thursday, July 21 st </li></ul></ul>
  17. 17. www.calstart.org Clean Transportation Technologies and Solutions SM

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