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Electric Truck Task Force first meeting took place on June 30, 2011 via webinar.

Electric Truck Task Force first meeting took place on June 30, 2011 via webinar.

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  • 1. E-Truck Task Force Fleet Meeting #1 Bill Van Amburg Senior Vice President Whitney Pitkanen Project Manager June 30, 2011 Advanced Transportation Technologies and Solutions
  • 2. Goal of Task Force
    • The overall goal of this effort is to speed and support effective E-Truck production and use. In the short term, it will specifically:
      • Identify key issues/barriers that need targeting;
      • Develop an action plan for addressing those issues; and then
      • Work to implement those recommendations with industry and public partners.
  • 3. UPDATE
    • Clearly cost is biggest barrier to e-truck purchase
    • One that point, as we have noted, Calif HVIP program now has essentially doubled the e-Truck voucher (in some cases >$40k)
    • NY will hopefully launch a voucher like Calif’s in the fall
    • But what is there for other regions? Senators Kohl and Blunt have just re-introduced a Hybrid and Electric Truck tax credit bill in the US Senate (CALSTART supports this measure)
    • Up to $24k tax credit for vehicle purchase. Need strong industry and fleet support to have a chance of passage
      • Info:
  • 4. Today’s Agenda
    • Service, support and quality needs – 20 min
        • What are the key issues that fleets are encountering with regard to service and support from manufacturers?
        • What more do fleets require?  (eg., extended warranties, battery life guarantees, etc.)
    • Infrastructure needs – 20 min
        • Discussion regarding state-of-the-art high-powered charging systems.
        • What are the challenges that fleets are encountering re recharging?
        • What solutions would a set of ‘best practices for fleet recharging’ contain? 
  • 5. Service, Support and Quality Needs Critica l Unimportant Slightly Important Impo r tant Very Important
  • 6. Service, Support and Quality Needs (detail)
  • 7. What Would Cause Increased Purchases? Critica l Unimportant Slightly Important Impo r tant Very Important
  • 8. Key Barriers to Expansion By Respondent Critica l Critica l Unimportant Slightly Important Important Very Important
  • 9. Discussion
    • Prioritize service/support issues
      • Local dealer or support staff
      • Localized part storage
      • Factory testing before sending vehicle out (some high failure rates, but decent support)
      • Extended warranties – especially battery warranties (5-8 or up to 10 years)
        • Lease batteries and pay
      • Wiring harnesses/wiring integrity
      • Need better battery management systems with better than pack level management
      • Worry: warranties add to price increase
  • 10.
    • What are the messages to send to manufacturers?
    • What solutions would encourage greater purchases from fleets?
  • 11. Infrastructure Needs
    • SAE J1772 : North American standard for 120V and 240V electrical connectors for EV’s maintained by the Society of Automotive Engineers
      • As of February 2010, the SAE J1772 committee is continuing the standardization process with designing a higher-voltage DC Fast Charging connector.
        • According to report by CARB (May 2011), U.S. quick-charge standard will be based on the SAE recommendation for a single-port, multi-function connector, rather than both the CHAdeMO and J1772 connectors.
        • SAE decision not expected until late 2012
    Status of U.S Charging Protocols
  • 12. Infrastructure Needs
    • Size of electrical connections is important
      • Level 2 charger now extended to 100A line (“Tesla rule”)
    • - 208 VAC, 80 Amps 16.6 kW
    • - 240 VAC, 80 Amps 19.2 kW
      • Good for larger truck batteries
      • Smith Electric has gone up to 19.2kW and Clipper Creek allows for 80 amps
    • Compliance with National Electrical Code safety requirements is necessary ( Article 625)
      • Level 2 charging requires EVSE that is permanently mounted and hardwired to a dedicated 240V circuit.
      • EVSE must have UL-listed personnel protection system and UL listed cable and connector assembly.
      • UL-listing is essential or local inspector won’t sign off
  • 13. Infrastructure Needs UL-listed EVSE Level 2
  • 14. Discussion
    • Prioritize infrastructure issues
      • Have found there are limits where can park trucks (due to infrastructure costs and location) – takes planning
      • Manageable with one or two trucks – but concerned about adding more
      • Cost is big to install; one fleet reported $6-8k per EVSE installation, not counting costs to break concrete and install conduit – focusing on where they already have infrastructure/power
      • Truck makers early on had set up issues – integrating with EVSE
      • Vendors need to be more “up front” when selling trucks what the options and costs are for the recharging part of owning the trucks
      • Infrastructure needs to be explained better with cost estimates
      • “ Feels like we have to pry information out of truck sellers”
      • Big issue to total cost of ownership – need to know costs at time of purchase so can link to cost of vehicle and include this in the capital cost; otherwise hits fleet expenses
  • 15.
    • What are the barriers or issues where you need more info, help?
      • Like to have a “clearinghouse” of information around e-trucks and be able to learn from best practices of peers; learn problems to avoid, issues with vendors/systems
    • Would a description of a “standard hook-up” for e-trucks, with checklist of options, be helpful?
      • Yes – Whitney will call fleets to get there experiences and start to frame the cost, process, and options
  • 16. Proposed Agenda Topics for Fleet Meeting #2
      • Any updates/new info from June 30 issues
      • Business case validation
      • Performance validation data
      • Feedback from Industry Meeting #1
      • Suggested dates:
      • Thursday, July 21 st
  • 17. Clean Transportation Technologies and Solutions SM