E ttf fleet meeting 1 june 30 2011

E-Truck Task Force Fleet Meeting #1 Bill Van Amburg Senior Vice President Whitney Pitkanen Project Manager June 30, 2011 Advanced Transportation Technologies and Solutions

Goal of Task Force
The overall goal of this effort is to speed and support effective E-Truck production and use. In the short term, it will specifically:
Identify key issues/barriers that need targeting;
Develop an action plan for addressing those issues; and then
Work to implement those recommendations with industry and public partners.

UPDATE
Clearly cost is biggest barrier to e-truck purchase
One that point, as we have noted, Calif HVIP program now has essentially doubled the e-Truck voucher (in some cases >$40k)
NY will hopefully launch a voucher like Calif’s in the fall
But what is there for other regions? Senators Kohl and Blunt have just re-introduced a Hybrid and Electric Truck tax credit bill in the US Senate (CALSTART supports this measure)
Up to $24k tax credit for vehicle purchase. Need strong industry and fleet support to have a chance of passage
Info: http://www.calstart.org/projects/hybrid-truck-users-forum/htuf-blog.aspx

Today’s Agenda
Service, support and quality needs – 20 min
What are the key issues that fleets are encountering with regard to service and support from manufacturers?
What more do fleets require? (eg., extended warranties, battery life guarantees, etc.)
Infrastructure needs – 20 min
Discussion regarding state-of-the-art high-powered charging systems.
What are the challenges that fleets are encountering re recharging?
What solutions would a set of ‘best practices for fleet recharging’ contain?

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Service, Support and Quality Needs (detail)

What Would Cause Increased Purchases? Critica l Unimportant Slightly Important Impo r tant Very Important

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Discussion
Prioritize service/support issues
Local dealer or support staff
Localized part storage
Factory testing before sending vehicle out (some high failure rates, but decent support)
Extended warranties – especially battery warranties (5-8 or up to 10 years)
Lease batteries and pay
Wiring harnesses/wiring integrity
Need better battery management systems with better than pack level management
Worry: warranties add to price increase

What are the messages to send to manufacturers?
What solutions would encourage greater purchases from fleets?

Infrastructure Needs
SAE J1772 : North American standard for 120V and 240V electrical connectors for EV’s maintained by the Society of Automotive Engineers
As of February 2010, the SAE J1772 committee is continuing the standardization process with designing a higher-voltage DC Fast Charging connector.
According to report by CARB (May 2011), U.S. quick-charge standard will be based on the SAE recommendation for a single-port, multi-function connector, rather than both the CHAdeMO and J1772 connectors.
SAE decision not expected until late 2012
Status of U.S Charging Protocols

Infrastructure Needs
Size of electrical connections is important
Level 2 charger now extended to 100A line (“Tesla rule”)
- 208 VAC, 80 Amps 16.6 kW
- 240 VAC, 80 Amps 19.2 kW
Good for larger truck batteries
Smith Electric has gone up to 19.2kW and Clipper Creek allows for 80 amps
Compliance with National Electrical Code safety requirements is necessary ( Article 625)
Level 2 charging requires EVSE that is permanently mounted and hardwired to a dedicated 240V circuit.
EVSE must have UL-listed personnel protection system and UL listed cable and connector assembly.
UL-listing is essential or local inspector won’t sign off

Infrastructure Needs UL-listed EVSE Level 2 Pluginamerica.org

Discussion
Prioritize infrastructure issues
Have found there are limits where can park trucks (due to infrastructure costs and location) – takes planning
Manageable with one or two trucks – but concerned about adding more
Cost is big to install; one fleet reported $6-8k per EVSE installation, not counting costs to break concrete and install conduit – focusing on where they already have infrastructure/power
Truck makers early on had set up issues – integrating with EVSE
Vendors need to be more “up front” when selling trucks what the options and costs are for the recharging part of owning the trucks
Infrastructure needs to be explained better with cost estimates
“ Feels like we have to pry information out of truck sellers”
Big issue to total cost of ownership – need to know costs at time of purchase so can link to cost of vehicle and include this in the capital cost; otherwise hits fleet expenses

What are the barriers or issues where you need more info, help?
Like to have a “clearinghouse” of information around e-trucks and be able to learn from best practices of peers; learn problems to avoid, issues with vendors/systems
Would a description of a “standard hook-up” for e-trucks, with checklist of options, be helpful?
Yes – Whitney will call fleets to get there experiences and start to frame the cost, process, and options
Discussion

Proposed Agenda Topics for Fleet Meeting #2
Any updates/new info from June 30 issues
Business case validation
Performance validation data
Feedback from Industry Meeting #1
Suggested dates:
Thursday, July 21 st

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