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Slides to accompany Bill Drewett's talk at Bristol Vineyard on 29th September 2013. Philippians - Part 5.

Slides to accompany Bill Drewett's talk at Bristol Vineyard on 29th September 2013. Philippians - Part 5.

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    Philippians - Part 5 Philippians - Part 5 Presentation Transcript

    • Servants of the Servant Paul’s letter to the Philippians
    • Now I appeal to Euodia and Syntyche. Please, because you belong to the Lord, settle your disagreement. And I ask you, my true partner, to help these two women, for they worked hard with me in telling others the Good News. They worked along with Clement and the rest of my co- workers, whose names are written in the Book of Life. Philippians 4: 2 – 3
    • “…The needs were very varied - from alcoholism and protection from enemies to cars that needed repair. Folks seemed to be drinking in the presence of God while we prayed…”
    • Let a woman learn in silence with full submission. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she is to keep silent. 1 Timothy 2: 11 – 12 NRSV
    • Let a woman learn in silence with full submission. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she is to keep silent. 1 Timothy 2: 11 – 12 NRSV
    • συξίἡ ᾳ hēsychia
    • First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for everyone, for kings and all who are in high positions, so that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and dignity. 9 verses earlier… 1 Timothy 2: 1 - 2 NRSV
    • Let a woman learn quietly and peaceably with full submission. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she is to be quiet and peaceable.
    • I permit a woman neither to teach nor to have authority over a man 1 Timothy 2: 12
    • α θεντε νὐ ῖ authentein
    • Those who lived long ago in your holy land you hated for their detestable practices, their works of sorcery and unholy rites, ….these parents who murder helpless lives. Wisdom of Solomon 12: 6
    • Those who lived long ago in your holy land you hated for their detestable practices, their works of sorcery and unholy rites, ….these parents who murder helpless lives. Wisdom of Solomon 12: 6
    • “Therefore, if Saturn alone takes planetary control of the soul and dominates (authentesas) Mercury and the moon…” Ptolemy Tetrabiblos 3.13
    • “I permit not a woman to teach, neither to domineer over a man [neque dominari in virum].” Vulgate (C.4th – 5th )
    • “I suffer not a woman to teach, nor usurp authority over a man.” King James Version (1611)
    • “I don’t let women take over and tell the men what to do.” The Message (1993)
    • The NIV Committee on Bible Translation (1965-1983) • Larry Walker • Robert Preus • Ralph Earle • Burton L. Goddard • R. Laird Harris • Earl S. Kalland • Richard Longenecker • Robert Mounce • Stephen W. Paine, • Kenneth L. Barker • Ronald Youngblood • William J. Martin. • John H. Stek, • John C. Wenger • Marten H. Woudstra
    • Let a woman learn quietly and peaceably with full submission. I permit no woman to teach or to dominate a man; she is to be quiet and peaceable.
    • to teach or to dominate
    • to teach in order to dominate
    • …and where thieves do not break in and steal. Matthew 6: 20
    • Let a woman learn quietly and peaceably with full submission. I permit no woman to teach in order to dominate a man; she is to be quiet and peaceable.
    • ‘The biggest problem with interpreting 1 Timothy 2: 11-15 as excluding women from teaching roles in the church is that Paul clearly commended women for such roles, even though these roles made them far more prominent and equal to men than they would have been in Judaism in this period.’ Craig S. Keener Paul, Women & Wives
    • •v.1 Phoebe ‘Deacon’ •v.3 Priscilla ‘Minister’ •v.7 Junia ‘Apostle’ Romans 16
    • But Saul began to destroy the church. Going from house to house, he dragged off both men and women and put them in prison. Acts 8: 3
    • ‘I would have given the church my head, my hand, and my heart. But the church would not have them.’ Florence Nightingale
    • ‘If there is any one generalization that can be made about single women missionaries and their ministries, it is perhaps their bent for difficult pioneer work. The more difficult and dangerous the work, the higher the ratio of women to men.’ J. Herbert Kane